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[edit] Best-Selling Games?

Not every one of Blizzard's games since Warcraft have been best-sellers. This seems like an assumption or generalization, which isn't appropriate for an encyclopedic article. I'm just going to delete that section since it doesn't have any sitation anyway.MirageOfMadness 21:45, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

  Which one was not? Diablo followed by Starcraft, Warcraft II and III, all have been MASSIVE successes.

[edit] Warden Client

Wow, that is some incredible Warden propaganda. I wouldn't be at all amazed if that section was written entirely by a Blizzard employee.

Actually, I just came across this page today and I have to say there's a bit too much irrational anti-Blizzard material. It says that Warden has "run afoul" of privacy advocates, but no advocate (let alone a credible one) is cited. It then goes into something about instant messenger IDs, email addresses, etc., all without citing evidence, saying Warden is like spyware. I'll not get into a debate about it here, but suffice it to say the concerns of certain players who may or may not simply have been overreacting does not a "controversy" make. I say cite some credible sources or, if that's not possible, properly further downplay such allegations. - Glynth 09:30, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
we dare not touch your beloved addiction, wow. who cares what precedents blizz set in ip situations, just so long as you get your fucking fix right? i dont even play the damn game, and i see the reality of these actions by the unscrupulous company, and their far reaching consequences. but you dont care now do you? as long as you can play wow, youll put up with anything. there is a very real issue here with the warden software, just download a program called the governor and it will show you what this program is doing. but be careful, blizzard has banned people who have used this software to spy on their spying. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.43.215.81 (talk) 10:40, 17 March 2007 (UTC).

Yeah, the Warden program is only even very SLIGHTLY a threat and thats only if you leave your browser window open with secret information on it. If you're stupid enough to do that while playing the game then boohoo. Yeah, remove the Propaganda

we have a troll here. the warden section is accurate and fair. its describes the program, chronicles the blizzard's useage of the information, and even touches on the potential pandoras box such programs open in regards to privacy rights and the future of our computers.
This is a load of crap. All the controversy pages were written with the utmost biase against blizzard. I wouldn't be in the lest bit surprised if it turned out that an executive at EA or some company like that wrote it. Theres crap in there like "Warden is considered a spyware program", or "Blizzard claims that Warden doesn't send information from the computers back, but it is believed that it would be impossible for them to have banned X group if they hadn't been recieving information from Warden". It is sickeningly biased, and was clearly written by people that hate Blizzard. I hate to break it to you all, but WHENEVER PEPOLE SIGN ON TO PLAY WORLD OF WARCRAFT THEY SIGN AN AGREEMENT THAT STATES THEY GIVE BLIZZARD THE RIGHTS TO RUN WARDEN IN THE BACKGROUND! WHY DOESN'T ANYONE MENTION THAT IN THE ARTICLE?!DurotarLord (talk) 19:33, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
It's still sourced, I haven't checked the sources, but if they support claims, then it's valid to mention. And you are free to make a note of stating the agreement as it's a valid statement indeed, sourcable by the EULA. --Fogeltje (talk) 19:50, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Justice League Task Force

Going by the information on Wikipedia, it seems this game was made by Condor BEFORE they were acquired by Blizzard, and thus it is not a Blizzard Entertainment game and does not belong on the page. I question a couple other titles on that list too Deusfaux 23:49, 30 May 2006 (UTC) But the game wasn't released until 1995, by which point they'd been purchased by Blizzard. If you don't believe it go play the game yourself and see the giant BLIZZARD logo. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.41.6.23 (talk) 18:23, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Its own category? Hmm.

Er, does this article really warrant its own separate category? I mean, it's not exactly IBM, is it? (wrt industry significance¹, longevity, no. of products, etc etc). So, if nobody voices serious protests I will list Category:Blizzard Entertainment for deletion. The accompanying articles won't be any problem to find from the main article (this one) anyway. --Wernher 18:39, 22 Jul 2004 (UTC)

( ¹ not that I think computer game companies are insignificant as such; far from it! )

I'd tend to agree. But your comment was made last year. What happened to the deletion? — Frecklefoot | Talk 14:26, Jun 17, 2005 (UTC)

Blizzard is one of the biggest and most famous game companies. If you delete this, then you have to delete all others as well. I say nope. Btw, anyone can conform or deny the 'Diablo 3 cancelled when Blizzard North was closed' rumor? ~~BrotherLaz, 19:29, August 15, 2005 (GMT)

Agree with BrotherLaz, Blizzard is a well known gaming company within most gaming communities. captbananas 19:33, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

The opening statement in this article is just plain bad, "consistently and grotesquely overshooting release dates"? That's not true. Afaik, Starcraft and Diablo 2 and Starcraft Ghost were the only games to be pushed back consistently. "Blizzard has a track record for producing almost nothing but classic games that are played for years to come." sounds very subjective, almost like it was written by a copywriter. Mastgrr 22:28, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

If you think that it is POV, by all means edit it. However, from a personal standpoint, I agree with the statement. I own all of Blizzard's PC games, and they are ALL still installed on my computer and used on a more regular basis than many of my other programs. The games themselves have a depth to them that is simply not often found within other games, IMHO. captbananas 19:33, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
I rewrote that part to make it more of an encyclopedic language. bob rulz 07:12, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Blizzard Bought North?

The information that Blizzard bought Condor and renamed it Blizzard North isn't quite accurate. Blizzard was purchased, as the article notes, by Davidson, and then Davidson also purchased Condor, at Blizzard's urging.

[edit] info on WoW expansion?

it was announced at blizzcon... --Gflores 07:47, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

It was, and we have an article about it also at World of Warcraft: The Burning Crusade. Havok (T/C) 14:35, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Blizzard Entertainment

does any one know the exact location of where blizzard entertainment is?

Blizzard Entertainment is located in Irvine, California. captbananas 19:33, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
I suspect he was looking for something like a street address. I think it would be best to keep it non-public though. The location obviously isn't top secret, but the Company has gone through effort to remove it from public view. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.169.140.241 (talk) 06:03, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Unfinished game

Just a quick point, the list is missing at least one game, shattered something, never got finished.

I can't provide any authoratative source for this, but I remember a Blizzard employee saying in a forum post once long ago that the game you're thinking of, "Shattered Nations", became Starcraft. 199.246.40.54 16:50, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
  • I just got Warcraft 2 in a garage sale it had a trailer and info and pictures we should have an article on it.

Warcraft Adventures was canceled, Starcraft: Ghost was indefinitely postponed and an unannounced title was canceled, when most of the Blizzard North employees left and they closed that branch. These are all ;) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.228.34.75 (talk) 22:06, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Freecraft

"On June 20, 2003, Blizzard obtained a cease and desist order against an open source clone of the Warcraft engine called FreeCraft."

Does this mean that FreeCraft sent a cease and desist TO Blizzard? The wording makes it seem as if Blizzard ripped off the FreeCraft source, yet it seems clear from the rest of the section that FreeCraft stole from Blizzard. ApocalypseCow 02:16, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

No, this is a misreading on your part, ApocalypseCow. Blizzard obtained the order from a judge. The order is clearly AGAINST FREECRAFT. This is the standard wording. -- DestroyAllFrameworks

[edit] New Subtitle

Stevie G 16:50, 26 January 2006 (UTC) I'm proposing that we add a subtitle related to hacking and 3rd party topics. The following subtitles should be rolled into this new subtitle since they are all related to one another by this common theme:

  • Bnetd
  • FreeCraft
  • Warden Client

Any ideas on names for this new subtitle? How about "Hacks and Clones"

[edit] Super Firewall

I've heard that the Blizzard Server is impossible to hack. Is this a myth? If not how is it possible? Symmetric Chaos 14:27, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] How Much Is Blizzard Worth?

It's a huge corporation and only from WOW they gained many many millions of dollars.. How come it doesnt say on wikipedia article anything about the company worth?

For the most part this has been relatively private information since it is/was wholly owned by Vivendi. I would support now updating the information to account for the public merger with Activision though. It puts their market valuation somewhere close to 8 billion dollars given the $27.50/share price in the deal (the $8 billion figure is actually for Vivendi Games, but Blizzard makes up almost all of the valuation) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.169.140.241 (talk) 06:06, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] They were bought for 10 million $ in 1994??

On Wikipedia article it is stated: "In 1994, the company briefly changed its name to Chaos Studios, before finally settling on Blizzard Entertainment after it was discovered that another company with the Chaos name already existed. That same year, they were acquired by distributor Davidson & Associates for under $10 million." Isn't 10 million exaggerated for 1994?

[edit] Diablo: Hellfire

I don't think that Diablo: Hellfire is "co-created by Sierra Studios." It should have been correct to say that Hellfire was "created by Sierra Studios." Diablo: Hellfire should not have been deserved to be included in the Titles section since this game was not made and even recognized by Blizzard Entertainment. --Darth Narutorious 13:42, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Delays

Should it be mentioned that they almost always delay the release dates of their games? anyone have any statistics on this? Chud50 04:33, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

They have never (well, speaking from '98 on anyway, I was not familiar with them before then) delayed their release dates. More notably I suppose is that they do not give release dates and instead third party vendors attempt to guess and often guess too soon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.169.140.241 (talk) 06:08, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Explanation of deletion

The section which listed a ton of former employees of Blizzard Entertainment was really unreadable nonsense. I see no editorial point to it at all. Wikipedia is not a data dump. An encyclopedia article should be the essentialized summary of what is known.--Jimbo Wales 19:10, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

I agree that it was unreadable, but nonsense.. not really. Blizzard Entertainment is one of the worlds most well known computer companies, and as such, stating employes that helped make it become what it was is somewhat important, atleast in my eyes. I will revert your edit, but attach a cleanup tag to it. I will also look into making it more readable and less in the form of a "data dump". I hope this is ok with you? Havok (T/C/c) 00:11, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
No, it is absolutely not ok. It is in fact unreadable nonsense. There is no editorial point to this at all. It does not belong in an encyclopedia. It is original research. It is boring. Leave it out completely, please. --Jimbo Wales 16:28, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
I re-wrote the section, made it more compact and concentrated on the companies (not people) which have been started by people leaving Blizzard Entertainment. Is it better now? Havok (T/C/c) 23:17, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
Cleanup tagging is useless. If someone actually cares about the content, they can rewrite and reinsert it. Until then, making the article look like crap doesn't help. Fredrik Johansson 14:26, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Not sure if this is still in debate but the section looks good now regarding the companies that have spawned from Blizzard, its one of the things they are known for industry wide. --NuclearZer0 20:25, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

I think an agreement was met. Well, seeing as I have gotten no ill response from Jimbo or anyone else on those edits, I take it as an ok. Havok (T/C/c) 07:56, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
I had overlooked this. I think it is still very badly written and essentially unacceptable. Let's talk about it here more first, before we change anything. The point is, it is just a random list of information. If it is actually true that "its one of the things they are known for industry wide" then show me a source for that. And let's talk about that in the article. Just randomly and inexplicably listing where people have gone seems pointless to me.
Let me be a bit more clear on my concern here. In this industry, and indeed across the entire technology industry, employees... particularly talented ones... come and go a lot, sometimes in entire teams. This is completely unremarkable for almost every company in the entire technology field. I believe that it is equally unremarkable for blizzard. How many companies have been spawned from: Microsoft, Google, Intuit, Yahoo, Intel, etc., etc.? The story is the same everywhere. I think this entire section should be removed from the article unless and until we have a reliable source (Businessweek? Fortune? Wall Street Journal?) which reports on it being particularly notable how this company has been a spawning ground for this segment of the industry.--Jimbo Wales 19:12, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
i disagree 100%... individuals are what make a company what it is. knowing these individuals helps the reader understand the company, its past, its present and its future. questions about the company like "who is responsible for the current actions of the company", "where did the current ceo come from", etc can be answered with this info. to know the status of a company you must know the humans in charge. Blizzard Entertainment is not some faceless machine, it is in fact a company with human beings running the show, knowing who these people are is entirely important regarding the matter of understanding the company. so, my point is that, having some info to fix/cleanup is better than none at all.

It's basically just a list of the employees and their titles--often then with a bunch of web links. It doesn't say anything interesting about them and some were interesting people. Anomo 20:10, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

At the risk of seeming a "Yes" man, I think Jimbo nailed this one. Tech-savvy employees can skip from one company to another more often than a hillbilly changes his underwear. Even after some good-faith cleanup attempts, the section seems out of place; it simply doesn't belong as it is, especially without proper cites. For those who consider this kind of info essential, why not create an article Software companies spawned by Blizzard (or something similar), give it proper cites and refs, then link the two? Until then, the whole section should go. Doc Tropics 21:57, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
again, i disagree. a company is made by its employees. you cannot represent a company without including the employees. people want to know not only where blizzard employees went, but also who runs its now. this could be for many reasons, but whatever they are, as an information source, wikipedia has an obligation to provide. if the format bothers you FIX IT, don't advocate deletion.

[edit] Blood elves

Oops on the comment for last edit, it was not vandalism simply a mistake -- the Blood Elves are the new Horde race... --Bookgrrl holler/looksee 03:13, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

The previous edit ("One person even claimed that their father...") seemed vandalism to me. Didn't you see that, or did you find it good?--Supparluca 08:29, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Key People

If you're going to include the producers/designers of WoW, shouldn't the producers/designers for Diablo, Diablo II, Starcraft/BW, Warcraft II, Warcraft III, ETC be included? Or, rather, shouldn't the producers/designers of one specific game be deleted from the "key people" section representing the entire company? Mattomynameo 05:17, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree with you.--Supparluca 09:57, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pax Imperia 2

On my old WarCraft II: Tides of Darkness CD from back in 1995 (I believe), there's a demo video for Diablo, Shattered Nations and Pax Imperia 2, with the tagline "The Galactic Empire Simulator". I assume that this game was never released by Blizzard, so it should probably be added to the list of games that were never completed. I leave that task up to you guys (I figured I should post about it here rather than adding it immediately, and once you read this, I've probably already forgotten about it) --Ojan 01:05, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

It looks like it actually was released, they just dropped the number and added a subtitle. Although acording to IGN it looks like it was developed by Heliotrope and published by THQ. Maybe they just had a deal with Blizzard to distribte the demo? -- Fforde 07:06, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] This page is written like an advertisement

It lacks a neutral point of view in some aspects... "Blizzard has always demanded excellence..." doesnt sound very neutral —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Species2112 (talk • contribs) 05:35, 18 April 2007 (UTC).

I agree. The entire "Standard of Excellence" section ought to be deleted for severely violating NPOV. Ygoloxelfer 08:49, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
Definately agreed; it's ridiculously NPOV. I'm deleting it unless someone can somehow justify this blatent NPOV violation. MagicFlyinLemur 06:12, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
I made some (pretty wholesale) changes to the lead section just now, and I will give the article a more proper going-over in a little while, as I have some phone calls to make at the moment. --Dreaded Walrus t c 13:17, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Press Conferance/Release

May 19th, 2007 there's suppose to be an annoucement of some kind by blizzard. Can someone cite this and include it in tnhe article —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.205.70.254 (talk) 06:23, 30 April 2007 (UTC).

I've added information on the page temporarily, though without sources for the date. The game itself can be confirmed by visiting the Blizzard Homepage. (ShadowOfEclipse 08:34, 13 May 2007 (UTC))
If you can't source it then how do you know when it's supposed to be announced and where?

[edit] Starcraft 2

http://www.starcraft2.com/ and http://www.blizzard.com/ both link to the same page. Coincidence? RedKlonoa 21:21, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

No. Blizzard bought it years ago to make sure that no one else would get it.
Funny you should bring this up five days prior to it being announced and activating the website... but yes, Blizzard's had it for years and now it's online. Penman 1701 01:05, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] What happened to the section on company history?

I remember awhile ago when I read this article, there was a history section. Where did it go? I remembered because it mentioned Blizzard dev team was under another name before 1994. --Voidvector 02:14, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

The article seriously needs a section on its history. As it stands the article is no more than a collection of largely irrelevant trivia. XJDenton 22:13, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
I went back to the history log and found that the "Overview" section, what I referred to, was blanked by a vandal, but it was never reinstated. --Voidvector 23:24, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Regarding Supparluca's edits

Stating "what?" isn't sufficient justification for reverting proper contributions. Just so you know:

  1. I combined 3 sections into "Controversies" because those paragraphs as a whole covered controversies of those topics.
  2. My other edit you reverted was on an unsourced sentence regarding "Blizzard has reputation of re-releasing games". I replaced that sentence with a statement that I can justify about Blizzard Classic Arcade. --Voidvector 06:57, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
"Blizzard has a reputation of overshooting release dates to ensure the quality of their games" is a bit different from "Blizzard has reputation of re-releasing games".--Supparluca 07:01, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
Read the whole section on bnet, it has only 1 paragraph on what Bnet is, the rest is on lawsuits and emulators. Similar thing with Warden and FreeCraft. All in all those sections are pretty much "intro + lawsuit coverages".
As for the intro, I misread the original, I will resubmit what I wrote elsewhere. --Voidvector 07:15, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
And I didn't read all the Battle.net section, sorry...--Supparluca 11:27, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
Hey, thanks for letting me know. All in all, sorry about the mix up before. --18:20, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Template noongasite

Someone (anon IP) changed template:gamesite to template:noongasite. I'm not sure what it is, but the template doesn't exist. I meant to revert it, but I accidently undo-ed it. Calamarain 11:58, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Early titles

I can't find any source saying "Silicon & Synapse" developed "J.R.R. Tolkien's The Lord of the Rings, Vol. I" and "Battle Chess II: Chinese Chess". Mobygames pages for those games state that they were developed by Interplay and published by Interplay. In fact the only place associating them with Blizzard is when you browse the list of Blizzard created games, that could be a database error or human error. In addition, if you click on names in the credits, all of the people listed are members of Interplay, not Blizzard (i.e. they go on to develop more games for Interplay). --Voidvector 22:54, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

According to this Blizzard page, those titles are software ports. I don't think they are worth mentioning as first party titles. I have replaced them with two titles from that page that are developed by Blizzard. --Voidvector —Preceding unsigned comment added by Voidvector (talk • contribs) 23:21, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Edits by Xgmx

I have reverted two of Xgmx's edits. --Voidvector 03:05, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

I don't understand how I was wrong about Blizzard Entertainment publishing the original Command & Conquer for mac (not the pc version). I got that information from IGN Entertainment as well as this one guy on Brood War USA-2 (because too many damn trivia bots are in Brood War USA-1 to even have a discussion). I believe the person's username was rev_israjor or something like that. --Xgmx 02:53, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
That is an interesting observation. I am looking at a few other game sites and I can't verify it. Do you have a copy of the game? I reverted your edits because I know for a fact that Stratagus is not made by Blizzard. it was made by members of the open source community. In addition, "Bos Wars" appears to be made by open source community as well. "Japanese StarCraft" is not worth mentioning because it would simply be the Japanese version of StarCraft, not a different game. --Voidvector 03:05, 22 September 2007 (UTC)


Well I know Stratagus wasn't by Blizzard but I added it to the list because it is a Battle.net game (or was, from what I hear Blizzard banned the game and halted all development for it, so the people there went to go work on Bos Wars, which at the time was called Battle of Heavens or something like that. As for the C&C statement, I have 2 references right here.

  • www.ssfree.net.tc
  • IGN
  • --Xgmx 03:11, 22 September 2007 (UTC)


Stratagus and BOS wouldn't qualify for the list since the list is about "Blizzard games" not "battle.net games" or "RTS games".
Back to Command & Conquer, I found 2 sources which says something else.
  1. A mac game review which says it was published by Virgin Interactive (Westwood Studios was owned by Virgin Interactive between 1992 and 1998).
  2. The other simply says Westwood.
If you have the game, and can vouch that it says Blizzard in the credits or on the box, then we might have more research to do, otherwise it might just be an error by IGN. The other link you provided doesn't link to a page talking about C&C. --Voidvector 03:30, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
While I know that an eBay auction is hardly a reliable source, a closed auction from earlier this month suggests that it was "published by Westwood Studios". So I suppose that's one more for the "not Blizzard" side. --Dreaded Walrus t c 03:40, 22 September 2007 (UTC)


I Actually agree with you all, I just found that interesting and inquired about it with someone else who agreed. Though I have known IGN to be wrong before. Such as when they said that Corridor 7 was developed and published by id Software, when actually it was developed by Capstone Software and published by ItntraCorp (though the game used the Wolfenstein engine, so their may have been some confusion there that led them to believe so). Also when they said that G-Nome was developed and published by TBA (to be announced) when actually it was made by 7th Level (I should know considering I run the www.planetgnome.net.tc/ #1 G-NOME fansite]) (I also run a StarCraft community that is one of the top 100 StarCraft sites. www.ssfree.net.tc/ They also only list 3 of Reenactor Entertianmnent's games, when they made a lot more. They also don't have several games and companies on their site that also exist.

  • Xgmx 15:10, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Project Hydra?

I've read the source article regarding this, but the validity of the source can be questioned. In fact, a lot of articles you come across TheInquirer is merely rumors and I do not think rumors should be considered as proof enough to list it on encyclopedia. Having that said, can we please remove this out of the title section until we have other valid sources OTHER than rumors? Anonymous —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.144.184.243 (talk) 23:10, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

The article linked as a source for the term project hydra contains no information about a hydra project, a quick search for information about 'project hydra' turns up this article http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/09/11/blizzards-third-project-hydra/ which is speculation based on something overheard and passed along, that is not real information. For all we know the guy could have been working on a hydra graphic for an announced title.Nathan Orth (talk) 07:29, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Console team & SC:Ghost

The team isn't working on next gen console game, it's helping with their other games after SC: Ghost was "indefinitely postponed" - http://www.gamespot.com/news/6171172.html

[edit] Watch: Upcoming E3 Announcement on future Blizzard/Activision MMO

Gabe Graziani: Getting back to Activision/Blizzard, an announcement will be made at E3 that Infinity Ward has been tapped to develop StarCraft Ghost for the 360, PS3 and PC. The twist will be that there will be a persistent online world component that players can enter for a monthly fee, effectively making an MMO StarCraft game similar in some respects to PlanetSide only much, much better.

http://mostwanted.gamespy.com/2008/51.html

Found this surfing on Blizzard's Starcraft 2 forums: http://www.battle.net/forums/thread.aspx?fn=sc2-general&t=577755&p=1&#post577755

Figure it'd be important to tell the frequent editors, I know it isn't good enough for a section.

YaguerYaguer (talk) 01:20, 1 March 2008 (UTC)