Talk:Blatte

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This article was nominated for deletion on 11 August 2005. The result of the discussion was no consensus.

[edit] Applicability

Would the word be applicable on Asians? Just wondering, because I am not sure, myself... If used as a description on "the others", "the non-swedes", I guess it would be applicable, not considering the possible derogatory connotations.

[edit] Move to Wiktionary

I transwiki'd this article to Wiktionary and replaced the current version with a soft-redirect. EliasAlucard reverted that edit with the comment Revert -- This is not Wiktionary material.

I've read and now re-read the article. The contents of this article are a discussion of the meanings, probable origins and usage of a word. It includes synonyms and related words. Those are components of a dictionary definition. It is not the content that I would expect to see in a truly great, unabridged encyclopedia. It is, however, the content that I would expect to see in a truly great, unabridged dictionary. I believe that the content belongs in Wiktionary, not in Wikipedia because Wikipedia is not a dictionary has been established policy since long before I joined the project.

I see no possibility that this article can be expanded past a dictionary definition and into an encyclopedia article. I would be happy to be proven wrong, though. If you can show me what in this article is more than a discussion of the meanings, origins and/or usage of the word or if you can expand the article past that state, I will withdraw my objections. Rossami (talk) 03:21, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

First I've got to ask you: do you live in Sweden? If you do, then you most likely know that this word has an importance in today's Swedish society. It's a sociological word. Although I don't object of it being in the Wiktionary, it's not an English word to begin with, so it doesn't belong in the English Wiktionary; it's not used outside of Sweden. Also, consider giving the article some time to expand and you'll see that a lot can be written about it that wouldn't fit in Wiktionary. EliasAlucard|Talk 09:41, 16 Sept, 2005 (UTC)

I live in Sweden, I'm a nartive Swede, I know how relevant this term is in Sweden and I say this is foreign slang that doesn't belong here. That it happens to be popular among the politically correct anti-rasist movement doesn't change a thing. This is the English-language Wikipedia. We have a sister project for these articles called Wiktionar. All Wiktionaries take entries in any language as long as it's valid and is not transliterated. If you want to write an encyclopedic article about "blatte", go do it at Swedish Wikipedia and see if they accept it. This is not the place for it.

Peter ^Isotalo 10:35, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

Good evening, Elias. First, I have to correct a misconception. Wiktionary accepts words in all languages. It is the "English" Wiktionary only in that the definitions must be in English. This, on the other hand, is explicitly the English-language Wikipedia.

The core problem I have with your argument is that even you describe it as "a sociological word", not a sociological concept. The underlying concept is bigotry or perhaps racism. Those articles might benefit from the addition of a discussion of bigotry in Sweden. But that discussion should be associated with the underlying concept (and, since this is the English Wikipedia, should use the most common English word for it), not isolated in here where no one will find it. Rossami (talk) 19:57, 16 September 2005 (UTC)