Talk:Black Tide

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Good article Black Tide has been listed as one of the Arts good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can delist it, or ask for a reassessment.
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The page WAS informal, and probably written by the band themselves. Fixed my removing extensive influences section, and using proper English. 86.27.85.69 (talk) 21:16, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] GA fail

the article needs expansion. the lead is too brief. there are no images. currently the article does not meet the GA criteria. thanks, for help please click my username. Sushant gupta (talk) 11:59, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

atleast provide link to the members of the band. it is a very essential and a very fundamental part. Sushant gupta (talk) 02:54, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
There are none. I guess I will any way. Burningclean [speak]
make sure that the infobox is complete. Sushant gupta (talk) 03:01, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
at least try to get a screenshot.
add ref to- Every member of the band is currently under 20 years of age, including the 15 year old frontman. Black Tide has toured on Ozzfest, and with Avenged Sevenfold and All That Remains. They are also scheduled to play at the Rock on the Range festival in Columbus, OH.
whether the article is of heavy metal band or some other. it must fulfill basic GA criteria. i do appreciate your efforts. address the above comments and do tell me. i will pass the article. Sushant gupta (talk) 03:03, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
Like I mentioned earlier, they are a new band and a free use image is unavailable, therefore, meets the criteria. Burningclean [speak] 03:10, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
now wait a minute. you have no authority to say what is supposed to be cited or not. i don't find the citation for that statement anywhere else in the article. it is supposed to be given. if somebody wants to have a inline citation you can not tell him that it is not required. Sushant gupta (talk) 03:13, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
Umm... Check out this: Wikipedia:Lead section#Citations That explains exacly what I was talking about. Burningclean [speak] 03:17, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
fine. you give me a link on my talk page. don't mention it in the article. if possible try to move this line somewhere in the major section. if you can't then tell me. thanks, Sushant gupta (talk) 03:24, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Second GA Review

Hi, I'm your GA reviewer. To Burningclean, I told you I'd review this article for you, didn't I?

Anyway, I believe the best way to do this is to go one step at a time through the good article criteria and attack each part one at a time.

I'm a little concerned that the article may need some copyediting. This line especially needs some work:

  • "Garcia and Nuñez recruited bassist Zachary Sandler and drummer Steven Spence, friends of theirs and both 14 and 15 years of age at the time. This completed the band's lineup and it was named Radio. Soon after its inception, Radio's name was changed to Black Tide, to show that the members had "grown up a bit".

Both sentences are phrased a little awkward. Also, some sentences in the article seem short and choppy, and thus are also awkward to read. This work is necessary to meet criterion 1.

I think you need to source a couple more statements in the article's body for criterion 2, such as the band signing to Atlantic Records for a year, the original two members recruiting the other two, and the Ozzfest second stage quote, just to name a few. Perhaps you can use some of the sources you already have multiple times if they contain this information; there's nothing wrong with doing that.

The article does not seem to cover much information, as to the specifications of Criterion 3 of the good article criteria. However, I do realize this is a fairly new band. Perhaps you can create a section about their musical style? With sources, of course. It really would improve the quality of the article.

Criteria 4 and 5 are already met. The article is neutral in its coverage and appears to be stable.

As for Criteria 6, I'm not going to force you to get a free image of the band; that's just being cruel to make you get one to get GA status. Now, will it help? Yes, it will. It could also help to put in a short sample of their music (see WP:NFC for instructions and requirements). Maybe you can put this together with a musical style section.

Yeah, there's some work that needs to be done here. But I think you can get it done in a week. Therefore, I've decided to put this nomination on hold for a week until the problems are resolved. You have the whole week. I do realize this is a lot to ask, so if you are actively working on it the whole week and need more time, just ask and I'll be happy to apply WP:IAR to this and extend the hold time. Whenever you're finished, or you have questions or comments, just contact me on my talk page, and I'll be happy to reply. Thanks. Red Phoenix (Talk) 03:07, 13 April 2008 (UTC)