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[edit] "In fiction": first stab at an edit

I've done some reworking of the "In fiction" section of this page, with an eye toward making it a little more coherent. I've tried not to remove much existing content, though a couple of sentences (one on cyberpunk in particular) got the chop.

Ultimately, I think the first paragraph in that section needs to be expanded a little bit to give a better perspective--and the list of examples needs to be cut waaaaay down. (I haven't yet edited said list very much for grammar etc.--not sure how much of it should even exist.)

That list, as a series of short unconnected paragraphs, used to more or less be the "In fiction" section; even as it now stands, though, I doubt that many of the things on it are illustrative/noteworthy enough. I don't want to start eliminating them myself right now--in part because I don't feel confident re my lexicographical abilities on this subject, in part because I don't want to annoy the folks who added 'em in the first place, in part because I don't actually have time, and in part because I've already done some replumbing that other interested parties should have time to react to. Iralith 22:14, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Isn't this article supposed to be called 'Black ops'?

Just asking. It seems to make more sense to me. JackSparrow Ninja 17:16, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

That's a plural. Doesn't really matter.Veritas Panther 06:34, 23 January 2007 (UTC)


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[edit] Defining "Black Ops"

The definition of the term "Black Ops" should include an option that says "a project which, due to national security interests, is kept secret to prevent a premature leak of information to the nation's enemies; for example, the building and testing of a prototype aircraft or weapon system which would be useless if the enemy learned how to prevent it's usefullness before it was deployed." This is the legitimate definition which, if absent, leaves only a definition bearing a tone of claiming that ALL Black Ops are illegal or illegitimate, which is not neccessarily the case. While we might agree that ALL weapons are immoral when used immorally, some weapons or operations might be purely defensive if used only in a defensive capacity, regardless of the actual history of defense systems being used offensively.

[edit] Israeli Black Operations

Here is my theory in bits and bobs,


To start with please read article by Naomi Klein in The Nation.

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20070702/klein


If Ari Ben-Menashe is to be believed in Profits of War, the attempted bombing of the El Al plane in London by Nizar Hindawi and the Hijacking of cruise liner Achille Lauro and the killing of Leon Klinghoffer were set up by Mossad as 'black operations'.

After reading Naomi Klein's article above I wondered, is it now possible to imagine that the Mossad Ashkenazim were so impressed by the shenanigans of their cultural cousins, the FSB, (blowing up apartment blocks in Moscow and getting the excuse and the go ahead to attack Chechnya) that they set up their 'blackest operation' in the shape of 9/11?

The mind boggles!


This is the book that describes the Black Operations:

http://www.amazon.com/Profits-War-Inside-U-S-Israeli-Network/dp/1879823012

and this is one source that validates it:

http://www.consortiumnews.com/1999/101499a.html


In a taped interview with Gordon Thomas, Israel's super spy and assassin Rafi Eitan corroborated what Ben-Menashe had said



On Achille Lauro:


http://www.natall.com/pub/2003/042603.txt



On The Hindawi Affair:


In Profits of War on Hindawi p121 A B-M describes how Mossad set up Hindawi and then says: "These were the kinds of black operations our slush fund was financing."

(Col. Radi later brought a court case against the publishers of Profits of War, Sheridan Square Press, forcing them to abandon a reprint.

Successive UK home secretaries have ruled that Hindawi can never be released or contacted.)




Israeli Involvement in 9/11:

(Carl Cameron reports for Fox News are no longer available but I did see them a year ago and they were along the same lines.)


http://www.giwersworld.org/911/is-spies.phtml

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=4577

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/govknow.html

http://www.tvnewslies.org/html/9_11_facts.html

http://www.infowars.net/articles/december2006/071206Haas.htm

http://www.911review.com/articles/usamah/khilafah.html

http://hurryupharry.bloghouse.net/archives/2007/02/16/counterpunch_on_israel_and_911.php



On Abu Nidal:

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=6942


On the Lavon Affair:

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/lavon.html



. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.168.0.21 (talk) 23:31, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Non-fiction black ops

The above list seems like a decent list of real-world black ops. Why are there only fictional examples in the article? Smooth Nick 02:21, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

What article? Igor Berger (talk) 18:05, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Black ops do not ask do not tell policy


[edit] Duplicate Article

Black Ops is an identical article, with one exception. One of the tags on this article isn't on that one. The tag is...

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Has this been discussed for one of them to be deleted or merged? I can't find anything on it. Leobold1 (talk) 03:27, 13 February 2008 (UTC) I fully support merging. Don't know how though...--Heyitspeter (talk) 23:09, 9 June 2008 (UTC)