Talk:Black Man

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Is there a reference in support of the claim that "Black Man is set in the same universe as Morgan's Takeshi Kovacs novels"? D.brodale 21:36, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

No, and in fact if you look at the Richard Morgan article you'll find that it isn't. Martian relics were found by 2089 (c.f. Broken Angels), which is over fifteen years before the events of Black Man. Ewan 19:55, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

I put that in as I just thought it was obvious. It's set on Earth in an earlier time obviously, Mars is a major part of the plot, altered carbon is mentioned as are the Bancroft family. Virtual reality is used a lot as in the later stories. One character talks about how 'pretty soon' it will be possible to record peoples brain states. As for references, this guy agrees with me: http://sandstormreviews.blogspot.com/2007/03/black-man-richard-morgan.html as does this one: http://www.thegenrefiles.com/2007/03/07/highly-recommended-reading-black-man-by-richard-morgan/ Anyway, take it out if you don't feel it's obvious and/or sourced.

--Shimbo 20:57, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

From my reading of the two above-referenced review shorts, I don't gather that Black Man/Thirteen is set in the same fictional universe as the Kovacs works ... the first reviewer merely asserts it, the second openly postulates it to be as such. I can't contest (having not read Morgan's earlier books myself) Ewan's statement as to conflicting timelines or removal of the problematic lines here within the Black Man article. D.brodale 21:11, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Added link to Richard Morgan audio interview where he discusses the book, in particular the part where he talks about the book being in a different universe from the Kovacs books. If someone can format it properly please do so. Also here is another interview, this time in text http://www.uksfbooknews.net/2007/03/19/richard-morgan-on-new-novel-black-man/ Ewan 10:12, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

I took out the link Ewan added, because i didn't want to listen to the interview right now; i did check the other one, though, and added it in and formatted it (i think) correctly. Here's Ewan's other link, if you want it. Cheers, Lindsay (talk) 16:43, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] American title

Is there any place on or in the book itself that gives the title as Thirteen and not Th1rte3n? --DocumentN 23:17, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

I don't own the book (Morgan's other work wasn't to my taste), but FWIW, Amazon's reprint of the publisher's book description says "Thirteen". So do all the reviews it lists. —Cryptic 23:29, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Inconclusive! --DocumentN 23:31, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

The publisher's own site has it in all-letters, too. —Cryptic 23:36, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Number of Pages

I notice on the left hand side of the article it says that the paperback book has 320 pages (atleast that what I'm assuming 320pp means). I just grabbed my copy of the book, which is paperback, and it has 546 pages. I'm not gonna change it but could someone check a paperback copy and see how many pages it is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.184.34.216 (talk) 03:57, 8 February 2008 (UTC)