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[edit] LGBT comic book characters

I've removed the categorization of Category:LGBT comic book characters. I'm not sure which of the incarnations of the Black Cat is supposed to be LGBT, and it's not clearly stated, or cited, in the article. Feel free to add this back if and when such is provided. Thanks MosheZadka 04:56, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

It is very clearly stated under her "MC2" incarnation. --68.46.22.195

Also, in the mainstream continuity of The Evil that Men Do #1, she stated, "It's been so long since I've had a boyfriend … or a girlfriend". --DrBat 23:05, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
"There has been no implication that Felicity has a problem with the lesbian aspect, but instead it appears that she blames her mother for the divorce." This is the only mention of her being lesbian or bisexual in the entire page at the moment. Someone please fix this. (Also, it should be bisexual, not lesbian.) Ken Arromdee 15:53, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

I added her back to Category:Fictional bisexuals based on the above. (An anonymous editor recently removed her.) --GentlemanGhost 00:29, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Book by Jim Butcher

Announced on Jim Butcher's website:

The book is apparently due July 2006. HTH HAND —Phil | Talk 15:39, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Death?

I thought Black Cat died in the Spider-Man comic books, am i mistaken? Meddling 02:45, 27 June 2006 (UTC)Meddling

If the character's still running around in current publications, I think it's pretty safe to assume she's not dead. Clearly.
--CovertSomnophore 23:28, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
I just bought Peter Parker: Spectacular Spider-Man #74 and 75. She's shot and stabbed at the beginning of 75, (not 72, which was the issue there before.) The rest of the issue concerns her hospitalization and Peter's concern.
--CovertSomnophore 01:26, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
ok... she IS still alive. She was in the last issue of Sensational SM and is a recurring character there now — ChocolateRoses talk
The Black Cat has never died and has been a recurring character in Spider-Man's titles ever since she was introduced. She's currently working with the Heroes For Hire in their own series that takes places during the on-going Civil War. No one should be under the impression she is dead. Period. CovertSomnophore 00:00, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Note

It's occured to me her attitude has always left open the implication Felicia's not above experimenting.

What I'd like removed is other character's names from "Affiliations." That should be for team associations, not personal associations. If we were to list every character she interacted with... it's absurd. The same goes for previous affiliations. I think it's misleading.

When did Black Cat associate with Nightcrawler? I think whomever added that is confused by the cover of Evil Men Do #5 (which has the two together.) However, it should be noted the two never even meet during the story. I sincerely hope that's not where that information came from. I'm just going to take that out. --CovertSomnophore 23:28, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Claws

Explain to me why Claws is worth putting in the noteable stories section, as opposed to any other issue Black Cat appeared in. I believe the section should be devoted to important moments in Black Cat's history. Teaming up with Wolverine doesn't quite fit the bill, in my opinion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.12.192.74 (talk • contribs) 20:46, 19 August 2006

[edit] Narcissist?

I haven't seen Felicia display any excessive admiration for herself or arrogance in her abilities. I don't think she belongs in that category. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.246.4.38 (talk • contribs) 00:35, 5 September 2006

[edit] Relationship with Spider-Man

The previous edit claimed Black-Cat's tone when using "Spider" was "usually seductive." I must point out tone is completely unknown when reading the panels of a comic. From the ones I've collected, "Spider" is Felicia's pet-name for Spidey, but not purely a flirtatious one.

If the semi-recent Spider-Man/Black Cat: The Evil Men Do miniseries is to be taken canonically, then the two share a genuine attraction towards each other, but Peter's foremost feelings are with Mary Jane, and thus refrains from flirting much with Felicia. In the much more recent Claws, Spider-Man was literally chasing Felicia around trying to kiss her, very out-of-character. Even more so was Felicia brushing him off, something she'd never done before. This leaves the nature of their current relationship in question. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.12.192.74 (talk • contribs) 03:23, 15 September 2006

I would reason it more that the writer of CLAWS was simply ignoring established characterization in order to tell the story he wanted to tell. —Preceding unsigned comment added by OldSkoolGeek (talk • contribs) 22:10, 7 February 2007

[edit] powers change

Feeling a wall of secrets growing between them, Spider-Man broke up with Felicia. He soon realized something was amiss with his own luck and enlisted the aid of Doctor Strange to remove the "hex" on him. But doing so altered the hex's source and changed the Black Cat's powers in the process. She soon found a heightened strength, agility, balance, vision, and retractable claws.

I believe she didn't had her powers changed, but lost; sometime after, she got the mentioned powers, but as far as I can remember, they were "artificial" powers, i.e., the retractable claws were something she wear, not her own claws, the vision was some sort of special contact lenses, the balance was made out of high-tech earrings that improved her balance, and I do not remember about her last enhancements in strenght or agility, but in a different ocasion these were also enhanced artificially, financed by King Pin, if I recall, but that was somewhat early before she got all these gadjets, which she got from that alien disguised in a human aged man, or perhaps from the guy who created all those spider-killer robots for J. Jameson.--Extremophile 00:17, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Take it from someone who's read the comics
  1. Black Cat originally had no powers. circa Amazing #194
  2. She wanted powers to help Peter, so she got her latent mutant gene activated artificially. circa Spectacular #89
  3. When Doctor Strange fixed Peter's bad luck, Felicia lost her powers and was given natural superpowers instead. circa Spectacular #110
  4. She eventually lost those, so she went to the Tinkerer who gave her a powered costume (grappel lines, claws, balancing ear-rings, etc..) circa Amazing #270
CovertSomnophore 01:05, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Catwoman

There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that Wolfman created Felicia Hardy/Black Cat as an homage to Catwoman. Wolfman wanted to create a character based on the Tex Avery cartoon character "Bad Luck Blackie" and made the Black Cat female solely due to the fact that she would be a foil for Spider-woman. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.132.109.188 (talk • contribs) 18:44, 11 April 2007

[edit] Black Cat (Harvey Comics)

What about the 1946 Harvey Comics series Black Cat? Here's the Black Cat page at comics.org. 4.232.105.126 07:03, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The O.C

On the O.C when Seth shows Summer little Miss Vixen she is positioned exactly like Black Cat is in the current picture and she looks almost exactly like her... Isn't that enough for a mention, even if it is extremely obscure —Preceding unsigned comment added by DarkAvenger280 (talk • contribs) 04:13, 15 September 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Catwoman's sister Felcia

The Black Cat is often mistaken as an homage to DC’s Catwoman, as her forename, Felicia, was shared by Catwoman's sister in Brave and the Bold#176. The Earth-1 Catwoman did indeed have a sister called Felicia.

http://members.tripod.com/braveandboldreview/swampthing.htm#176

Enda80Enda80 —Preceding signed but undated comment was added at 16:05, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Catwoman's sister did not appear in comics until years after Black Cat had been created. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.91.165.60 (talk) 00:21, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] "notably few costumed love interests"?

"Notably" few? What, is Spider-Man unique among super heroes for having only a few costumed love interests? I don't propose that this be changed though -- unintentionally funny phrasings are one of Wikipedia's greatest strengths, imo. 76.84.186.70 (talk) 07:00, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Black Cat vs Catwoman

Aside from the cat theme, there is nothing connecting the Black Cat to Catwoman. Almost every single female foil in comics has made sexual overtures to the story protagonist.

Selina Kyle's sister "Felicia" did not appear in the DC universe until The Brave and The Bold #176 - which was released in 1981. This was years after Black Cat first appeared.

And while Julie Newmar did wear a black outfit as Catwoman in the Batman television show, she was not remotely a cat burglar - she used henchman to rob museums and banks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.91.165.60 (talk) 04:38, 11 May 2008 (UTC)