User talk:Bkstone

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Thanks for uploading Image:CainWeidner2.jpg. I notice the 'image' page currently doesn't specify who created the content, so the copyright status is therefore unclear. If you have not created this media yourself then you need to argue that we have the right to use the media on Wikipedia (see copyright tagging below). If you have not created the media yourself then you should also specify where you found it, i.e., in most cases link to the website where you got it, and the terms of use for content from that page.

If the media also doesn't have a copyright tag then you must also add one. If you created/took the picture, audio, or video then you can use {{GFDL-self}} to release it under the GFDL. If you believe the media qualifies as fair use, please read fair use, and then use a tag such as {{Non-free fair use in|article name}} or one of the other tags listed at Wikipedia:Image copyright tags#Fair_use. See Wikipedia:Image copyright tags for the full list of copyright tags that you can use.

If you have uploaded other media, please check that you have specified their source and copyright tagged them, too. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any unsourced and untagged images will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. Shyam ^(T/C) 22:58, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Response: Complied on March 9, 2006. Bkstone 06:41, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

I have restored the "no source" tag, as the image description page still does not show a source. ie you need to provide a url link to the website the picture came from, or if it came from other than a website you need to specify exactly where the the image was obtained from. Stating the name of the photographer is good, but it does not allow other users to verify that the use of the image is fair. Please have another look at this. Rossrs 21:40, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Response:

-Promotional headshot of Justin Guarini. Photo was posted on-line in 2005 by Kathy Guarini, Justin's mother, with only the requirement that photo be attributed to photographer Christine Cain-Weidner. The photo appears on several websites. Currently also being used in promo material for event for Guarini's new movie.

-Info added to Image Discription page.

What do you mean "info added to Image Description page"? Info has not been added. No edits have been made since I reverted the tag. The idea is that the description page should include all information needed to determine that the image use is fair. You've said far more here than on the description page. A link to one of the websites is necessary, in addition to the info you've given here. Could you please have another look at this? thanks Rossrs 11:50, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

RESPONSE:

-I wrote something up and thought I had pasted all of it onto the "Image Description Page". Part of it is there. [[1]]. Will redo.

To make sure I'm clear on this... to avoid further problems. All that is needed is an explanation and website link(s) on the "Image Description Page'?

Yes, that's right, and what you've done to fix this problem, is very good and better than most image desciption pages. As per Wikipedia:Image description page and Wikipedia:Fair use you need to supply 1. a source, 2. information about copyright holder 3. notate the page with a suitable tag (these are all done now) plus supply a "fair use rationale". The "fair use rationale" at the moment is not being treated as compulsory, although it is the right thing to do. It's not necessary to put the copyright info in the image caption box in the article namespace - just the description page - so I've removed that. Thanks for responding to this in such a speedy and thorough manner. Rossrs 15:06, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

This will be copied onto the Image Description Page:

SOURCES:

-Promotion picture owned by Guarini was provided by his mother (aka Phoenix) to fans for use (posted on Feb 13, 2005). The only requirement was to acknowledge the photographer whenever possible.

Originally posted at this website: [[2]]

HQ section: [[3]]

-The pics has been used on various websites: Example website gallery section: [[4]]

-publications: Example here (magazine scan): [[5]]

-for promotional events: Example: [[6]]

-etc.

Bkstone 14:51, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Image:Justin Guarini Promo Photo Blue.jpg

Thanks for uploading Image:Justin Guarini Promo Photo Blue.jpg. I notice the 'image' page specifies that the image is being used under fair use, but its use in Wikipedia articles fails our first fair use criterion in that it illustrates a subject for which a freely licensed image could reasonably be found or created that provides substantially the same information. If you believe this image is not replaceable, please:

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Copied from Image page: Response: {{Replaceable fair use disputed}} As stated previously, this picture is (one of two) promotional pictures currently authorized for use by Justin Guarini, and was freely provided by Justin's mother for use by his fans. Justin Guarini's representative has been contacted via email asking for a specific statement allowing for required "free license". However, the representative is out of the country until Jan.8, 2007, so an extension on the deadline for deleting the picture (Jan. 9, 2007) would be appreciated in order for the representative to have time to respond to request.

Summary Note: Since this picture is one of two promotional pictures approved by and provided by Guarini for use by fans, we feel the picture qualifies for "irreplacable". If/when the picture status changes, then so would the "irreplaceable" status.

Bkstone 17:37, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Response to dispute and request (copied from image page): Although it is one of two promotional pictures, it illustrates a living person who still makes public appearances. So, the image "illustrates a subject for which a free image that provides substantially the same information might reasonably be found or created" and should not be used under fair use. I would support waiting to decide on the image's replaceability until after January 9 or 10 in case the agent does license it freely. However, if the image is deleted and it is later freely released, I've saved it (and you are welcome to as well) so that it can be uploaded to the Wikimedia Commons (iff it becomes free). —ShadowHalo 12:07, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Response:

Free license approved. Note: Below info was posted on Image page by Guarini's official site webmaster, per Guarini's management representative. Bkstone 00:31, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Summary

Promotional Photo of Justin Guarini. Photographer: Christine Cain-Weidner www.cain-weidnerstudio.com Email: christine@cain-weidnerstudio.com

File is freely available at JustinGuarini.com http://www.justinguarini.com/images/jblue.jpg

Licensing

This work is licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 2.5 License.

Follow-up on picture's deletion: (copied from User talk:Angr) The image removed was proved free by Guarini's management, and documented on appropriate pages. There is absolutely no merit for it's deletion. If you do not replace the picture, I will. If we continue to be harrassed, I wish to speak to someone in authority over you. I've been polite dealing with this repeatedly, but enough is enough. Bkstone 17:51, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

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Response copied from Image talk page and User:Angr page:

Response: Wiki is a complicated maze of different links and pages to provide info. The info was provided here (by Guarini's representative), copied onto my discussion page where the first notice of deletion was posted, and provided on the Image description page I can no longer locate. I am not tech savvy enough or have time enough to study Wiki's overly complicated system, and no amatuer contributor should be expected to when what has already been provided clearly shows the image meets the guideline "anyone can use it for any legal purpose, including commercial uses and derivative works". I think it ridiculous to once again bother his rep with something like this. This relentless cycle of changing demands for documentation feels like faux legal nit-picking, if not harrassment. I can either bother Guarini's rep again or replace the image, I haven't decided. However, I might want to discuss my concerns with someone in a position of authority over you.

Please tell me who else I can discuss my concerns with, if I feel inclined to do so. Bkstone 19:57, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

I suppose the best place to take it up is Wikipedia talk:Copyrights. —Angr 20:08, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Response: Thanks, but looks like another merry-go-round. Is there no direct contact w/ a supervisor to get a reply concerning the latest condition (gratis vs. libre)? I'm not trying to be argumentative, but the image has been discussed and "resolved" numerous times w/ decisions changing at the whim of various admins. (Note: Entire history of various requirements/compliance is missing from this page)

What the problem comes down to is your original statement, "Photo was posted on-line in 2005 by Kathy Guarini, Justin's mother, with only the requirement that photo be attributed to photographer Christine Cain-Weidner." First of all, we need independent verification (not just your word for it) that Kathy Guarini (1) really did release it under those terms, (2) intended those terms to mean "any legal use, including commercial re-use and derivative works, and (3) had the authority to release Christine Cain-Weidner's photograph under those terms (normally the photographer herself decides under what conditions a photograph is released). If you can provide a link to a page showing these things, please do and I'll undelete the image. Or if you're in touch with Kathy Guarini, please have her e-mail permissions@wikimedia.org stating the terms under which she releases the photograph (assuming she has the authority to do so). —Angr 17:14, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Response: Thank you. That is clearer to me, I can work with those specifics. I really am not comfortable bothering his mother with this again (I did so in 2006 with Wiki's prior met demands). Instead, I will again contact his managment company who controls the usage of pictures, and is paid to take care of such things. It was the management rep that physically provided the update at Wiki for the latest Wiki requirement. Also, I will ask him if there are addtional images for future use which he can document, so we don't have to go through this kind of hassle again.

To be 100% clear... all you need is an email from his management rep stating:

(1) image(s) provided for use at Wiki is (are) released under terms meaning "any legal use, including commercial re-use and derivative works, and

(2) the rep has the authority to release Christine Cain-Weidner's photograph (or any other images's provided) under those terms

Please verify above statement written by me is everything that is required by including a statement by you saying it meets all requirements. Thanks. Bkstone 22:28, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

For record keeping purposes (in case needed), I am copying below what I had saved of some of the previous demands/discussions/resolutions about this image: (copied from User talk:Brookstone)

[edit] Justin Guarini's Article

Please, do not take off the temmplates of AI1 and AI runners-up.

Response: The templates add nothing relevant to Guarini's biography that hasn't already been mentioned in the text of the article (that he was the Season 1 runner-up to K. Clarkson). The rest of the info in the templates is completely unrelated to his personal history. In other words, the templates are either repetitive and/or irrelevant info, thus a completely frivolous use of space. Please don't add them again. Bkstone 01:36, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

The template should DEFINITELY be used in this article. Again, please stop removing it. It adds to his biography as it associates him to other AI articles and contestants. Maybe it doesn't personally help his article a ton, but it adds to coverage of AI on Wikipedia. If you disagree with it, discuss it on Justin's talk page. If more people agree with you than us, take it off. It's not just YOUR opinion that matters. Wikipedia is about everyone reaching a compromise. Thank you. - hmwithtalk 19:37, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Response: Again... the template is irrelevant and/or repetitive (see previous response). There's simply no reason to have it added to his personal bio as it adds nothing to his personal history. Only clutters the page. Please don't add it again. Bkstone 20:20, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

You do not "OWN" the Justin page. Things at Wikipedia are done by consensus, and you cannot change that. The box belongs on the page. Thus far, more people have wanted it there than not, as it aids in moving through AI articles. Your defense for Justin could work for many articles, AI and otherwise, but it is agreed upon that the templates belong there. Are there ANY other people who are against this template being on a page in which it belongs? If you find enough people to support you, it's a debate. Otherwise, you are obviously outnumbered. Having an edit war is very immature, and makes you look bad. Accept that most people want it there, and move on. If you don't agree with it, again, try to gather some support from others who have the same feelings. Thank you. - hmwithtalk 21:30, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lying

Hello, I'd appreciate it if you didn't lie. I didn't make the AI template. At all. I have no idea what you are claiming I did. Why are you making up lies? - hmwithtalk 18:57, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Note: I asked for help from the arbitration comm for this dispute. - hmwithtalk 19:20, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Response: As I noted on the other talk page, I mistakenly made an assumption that you made the template based on your insistence the template be used. An honest mistake. Calling me a liar is extreme, and continues the pattern of you personally attacking/insulting me. Not to mention you reformatted my comments on the article talk page, which wasn't your right to do. To be honest, your conduct is making me very uncomfortable. Wiki shouldn't be a place for relentless personal harrassment and attacks. I welcome the arbitration.

Please note, I will no longer respond to you with a detailed response, as I do not wish to involve myself in possible irrational discourse. Bkstone 19:38, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

I made no attack other than calling you a "liar" when you lied... but, I guess, that's a pattern of personal attacks/insults. Some people are trying to make Wikipedia a better place, and others hinder it. I don't know how old you are, but I am assuming that you are young, as that is how your actions make it appear. Try to listen to other editors instead of being so stubborn in the future. That way, you will avoid potential, immature arguments. I've never gotten in another disagreement. Assume that people have good faith.

Either way, since it has been taken care of, we fortunately will no longer have to talk, as I don't feel a need to have ridiculous edit wars online.

Also, for future reference, Wikipedia's Three-revert rule is something you of which you should take note. Thanks, and take care. - hmwithtalk 00:18, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Possibly unfree Image:JustinGuarini concert screencap3.jpg

Response: I'll check it out, but I made that screencap myself from a fan video in my files, so any dispute is ridiculous. Bkstone 00:24, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Image:JustinGuarini concert screencap3.jpg listed for deletion

An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, Image:JustinGuarini concert screencap3.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion. Please see the discussion to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. Ejfetters 16:58, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Response: See summary on Image page. Requirements were all met, and the image should not still be listed for deletion. Copy of recent archived July 28, 2007 conclusion from discussion page:

Keep Editor says it's a screencap of a self-made video. I contacted with the e-mail address provided and got a confirmation that this image is released under the GFDL license. Without evidence of the contrary I think we can assume good faith on this one. Garion96 (talk) 08:53, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Bkstone 20:25, 17 August 2007 (UTC)