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[edit] Editing

Good on your edits so far - it would be a good idea to read the welcome and also see how sandboxes are a good idea - cheers . Also worth looking at making sure the Australian, and WA tags are on the talk pages of articles you create or edit - Satu Suro 04:51, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, Satu. I'll keep on learning the ropes but, er, where do I read up about the Australian, and WA tags? Bjenks 05:31, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

allo allo then what can we do for you? Satu Suro 10:40, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Well then , how do I "[make] sure the Australian, and WA tags are on the talk pages of articles [I] create or edit? Cheers Bjenks 08:32, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

ooops - a long time later - go in to edit mode in a west australian article talk page and you will see the required item (usually) Satu Suro 14:27, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Aha, gottit, thanks! Bjenks 03:14, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sydney Push

Hi Brian, I read your comment on the Sydney Push article about the removal of two external links to the website I administer (takver.com) At the moment an administrator is being perhaps a little over officious at deleting links to my website as conflict of interest (linkspam), rather than assessing their relevancy or raising the issue for discussion on the talk page. I admit that there is a potential conflict of interest for me to edit an article and then place a link to my website. But I reject that I have added a link where it was not relevant as an authoritative source. If you think my links on the Sydney Push article are relevant or not, you are welcome to discuss them further at the Talk:Sydney_Push#Discuss_links_here. Welcome to Wikipedia. --Takver 13:51, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Greetings, Takver. I'm not really sure what's going on here, but your website's fine by me, invaluable, in fact. However, I'd better cool off at this stage and maybe look again later! Cheers Bjenks 14:03, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

No worries. Wikipedia editing is a learning process. lots of guidelines. Just always assume good faith and be aware of potential conflict of interest (as I am presently finding out) I attended the breakfast with Jimbo Wales this morning in Melbourne and there was a discussion of the need for flexibility in applying guidelines, especially in terms of for example editors contributing articles from third world countries who may not have access to references or sources like we have in the west. Guidelines are guidelines for a reason - to allow flexibility in human judgement. I look forward to following your contributions. Drop me a message if you need any help. --Takver 14:20, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Greetings

Hello Brian, I'm just passing by to say hi and thanks for the nice compliment you left at talk:Sue Gordon. I have nothing to add to what you said there re capitalisation other than I wholeheartedly agree. —Moondyne 02:21, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

You're most welcome, I'm sure! I have a soft spot for Sue Gordon since, many years ago in the Children's Court, she chided a delinquent son, saying "Your father lives in hope!" Have you selected "Moondyne" from Welsh ancestry or mere shyness? (:-))Bjenks 04:51, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Welcome aboard WikiProject Western Australia

Hi, i'm a member of the unofficial welcoming committee for WikiProject Western Australia. I noticed that you'd signed on to the project overnight, and i'd just like to take the opportunity to welcome you aboard. The local project is gathering some real steam and has a robust group of regular contributors, and we'd welcome your contribution to local articles which may be a little under documented. A good place to look for these is Category:Stub-Class Western Australia articles and Category:Start-Class Western Australia articles. If you've got any project questions or would like to introduce yourself, please stop by the project's talk page or feel free to drop any of the members a line on their talk pages too. Thewinchester ^(talk) 23:03, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Many thanks. My main interests are international but I've noticed there are some holes in recent WA history, eg, the 1980s, and will stick around to help where I can. Cheers Bjenks 05:15, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Delvian

Hello

I thought that I would pop you a quick message. You seem to be a good and active wikipedian. Currently there is an article that I have been working on that is in the process of being deleted.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Norvan_vogt

I don't really think that the reasons are all that valid however I am new to this and I didn't realise that Wikipedia was getting so dogmatic. If you have a moment could you have a look and see if the issues that have been raised are valid and either way maybe leave a comment or two. I have no idea how you stop it from being deleted.

Cheers

Delvian 06:37, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

See response on your page. Have you also looked at Help, my article got nominated for deletion! ? -- Bjenks 09:53, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sowada

I'm sorry about reverting last night's changes. It was late, I was grumpy, and the sweeping changes looked like something that warranted some discussion before putting in place. Having looked over them this morning, however, they're really rather good. My apologies. Rebecca 01:40, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Accepted with thanks. --Bjenks 05:49, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Michael Macklin

Elder statesman Bjenks, as much as I had a little grin when reading this article, I do fear that the American administrator who deleted it will be back again. Some references and links would be in order. Michael ^talk 11:22, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Hmm, thanks Michael. It was a great annoyance that User:Alabamaboy has cut and run from his dubious editing responsibilities. And, yes, the remarks in the stub were intended to serve only while I ate my dinner and contemplated how best to do justice to Dr Macklin who, incidentally, was a big intellectual force in the Democrats Senate team for most if not all of the 9 years he was there. Incidentally--less o' the 'jerks', eh, old son! (:-))--Bjenks 12:33, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Apologies for that very funny misspelling. Very glad you took in good humour, eh? Michael ^talk 12:36, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Ha, that's OK! Correction: -- I should have referred to User_talk:Alabamaboy--Bjenks 12:45, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rockingham edit

Says a lot about where it came from :( Satu Suro 17:11, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Yup. But not all of us residents can help it. 'Teens on breast milk' is corny enough but 'Holden Commodore'--yuk!! Bjenks 07:02, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

I really enjoy time in Safety Bay and the cycling around the edgoe of warnbro sound - so I suspect they are north shore issues - the other side so to speak :) Satu Suro 07:05, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Must be, I guess. Uh! I just cast an eye on the rest of the article.. More work to do! --Bjenks 07:13, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Brearley

Thanks for getting in touch. I can't say I can see any issues with the footnotes, they all seem to be correctly formatted and linked. What's happening at your end? Thewinchester ^(talk) 23:07, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't catch on properly to your formatting, what with 2 ahead of 1, etc. OK, very clever! --Bjenks 04:17, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Stott Despoja edit

I wasn't sure whether to respond here, on my own page or on the article's talk page.

Thanks for getting back to me about the edit and for directing me to further information. My reason for the edit wasn't so much my own positive knowledge on the workings of the Democrats but more the fact that the information was uncited and contentious enough to need citation and, above all, not really relevant to the subject of Natasha Stott Despoja's resignation. It seems like you would be in a good position to contribute to Wikipedia under the appropriate topics - and remember too that citation doesn't need to be from the media or academic journals; any publicly available internal documents or published works (eg. biographies) are fine too. Basically it just has to be an objective source of facts that establish the assertion. If the party-room coup that lead to Stott-Despoja's resignation is sufficiently similar to any other happenings, mention could be made of that and a link provided to the relevant page.

All the best, Daniel 05:43, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Centre-Line Party

Hi Brian, I've noticed that you have done some work on Democrats related articles, which I have been involved in, and I thought you may be the ideal person to ask this. In a couple of sources there has been a reference to the Centre-Line Party, a Western Australian based party founded (possibly by Jack Evans) and consisting of former WA Liberal Movement members. The party, according to the few sources, was then incorporated into the then new Democrats party. However, other sources state that the Centre-Line Party was never a separate party. Do you have any background knowledge about this? Cheers, --Roisterer 06:15, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Jack Evans is the only person in my experience to have mentioned the Centreline Party (however it's spelt). In quest of a parliamentary career, he was a LM Senate candidate in 1974. My guess is that Jack registered the name--maybe as a business name originally, with a fistful of others--to give him some control of it if/when it became useful. Jack's like that. So, no, I don't think the Centreline Party ever fielded any candidates.

Incidentally, Jack registered the association name "Australian Democrats WA Division" in 1977 or 78 and later "failed" to duly register (with the State corporate affairs office) constitutional amendments voted for by the membership. As a result, the protective 1995 Supreme Court case based on the "amended" constitution failed and the division folded. Having connived in the expulsion of opponents, Jack later rebirthed it along lines which had no relation to the original participatory principles. Business acumen can be a great help in politics. However, he and protegé(e)s Helen Hodgson and Andrew Murray will always rank among the architects of the Democrats' demise. --Cheers Bjenks 03:02, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi Brian. Thanks for the feedback. While I always found Jack a pleasant chap to talk to, I can't say I can find too many arguments with your assertions about Andrew & Helen. --Roisterer 07:24, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Just out of curiosity did this have anything to do with the Progress Party which made a single showing in the 1977 federal and state elections then disappeared without a trace, or was that unrelated? I'm looking to write some articles about the earlier period of WA politics but can find almost nothing about this party. Orderinchaos 09:15, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sydney Push refs

Hi Brian, the narrator of that (2001)piece on Darcy Waters [1] is John Englart. The attribution on the webpage has been fixed up.--Takver 15:09, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

I think Richard Neville should be listed as part of the Sydney Push as part of the 60s influx of people. See [2] for a ref. What do you think, Brian? There is nothing in the article at the moment that mentions the libertarians at the UNSW which included at least Neville and Wendy Bacon (both deserving of wikipedia articles). --Takver 12:33, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Inclined to disagree about Neville, old chum. He was definitely 'around'-- I recall meeting him in various places but never in the pub or a push party. There was a separate, maybe parallel culture of 'arty-crafty' types which included Neville, Martin Sharpe, maybe Mungo McCallum and Laurie Oakes, I'm not sure--but these guys never mixed with the Push. Wendy Bacon, OK. She went to parties and the pub, and so did Michael McDermott who shacked up with Judy Perry and took over the editorship of Tharunka in the late 1960s--which really started off the UNSW involvement. Incidentally, you may know some of the Melbournites we saw around--Don Lee, Bill Haggarth, Lee Tonkin (from snooty Ringwood), Lilith Roche, Bob Hammond, Bert Deling being a few. Some of us visited Melbourne periodically and got in with the Tattersall's Hotel (Russell Street and little Lonsdale Street, wasn't it?) culture. Incidentally, I've found a rare photo of Ian Parker and Bob Gould in a York Street demo in the early 1960s, which I'll post into the Push article. (I stayed with Judy McGuinness and went to see Bob a few years back--he's running a giant bookshop in Newtown.) Can I ask whether you know of any family relationship between Darcy Waters, and Dr Edgar Waters (the folklorist who occasionally turned up and was interested in Ayrton, McDougall, Mooney and some other singers? Cheers Bjenks 05:16, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] RE: Division of Brand

Hi. You recently changed Division of Brand to remove information about the safeness of the seat, and also included the fact that Kim Beazley was the member up to 2007. Even though we know that he is going to retire, he is currently still the member. Also, the "electoral irrelevancies" are given space in most other electorate articles. I have reverted your edit, but if you feel that this is incorrect please let me know. Thanks! Frickeg 23:27, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

I haven't reverted again (I don't want an edit war!) but I suggest you take a look at Division of Wakefield, Division of Wentworth and any other marginal seats and you'll see that most of them will have the candidates for 2007; in a seat like Brand, it's perfectly legitimate to put the candidates who have a chance of winning in there. There is even an entire article (Candidates of the Australian general election, 2007) dedicated to these candidates. Obviously it would be irrelevant to include the Greens candidate or the Democrats one, but I think it is perfectly relevant to list the likely next member. Do you disagree with this? Frickeg 02:07, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Shirley Strickland

I don't have too much of an issue with the cause of death categories: it'd be a reasonable assumption to make for the purposes of Wiki. Perhaps what's not being said is what caused the myocardial infarction. If it had been some sort of trauma or blatant self-harm I guess we'd have heard about it by now. I guess we'll never know the whole sad story. There is a Category:Cause of death unknown with a grand total of one article in it. How odd.

But the politician category should go for the reason you say. As for one l or 2 l's, I dunno. I never thought about it before. —Moondyne 16:04, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Strine would generally be used in Australian articles per WP:ENGVAR. "Medallist" is a strange word which seems to have a uniquely Australian spelling. Knowing the hoops you need to jump through to rename a category I'd be inclined to let it pass. If you're bothered about it (and it sounds like you aren't!), post a note at WP:AWNB. —Moondyne 11:19, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks :)

Thanks for the picture of Colin Jamieson, I've incorporated it - sorry I've been slow to respond, I've just gotten back from a three week trip away and have been recovering ever since. :P Orderinchaos 09:16, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

No prob., oinc, I've also been travelling and happily offline in Victoria for 10 days. Cheers Bjenks (talk) 02:53, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Pro tem

Hi Bjenks. Thanks for the feedback. My motivation in changing the wording was that in the U.S. there's a President pro tempore of the Senate. Despite the name, the holder of that office is effectively in the position indefinitely as long as his or her party remains the majority party. Our readers come from all over the world, and the U.S. term is fairly well known. I saw some scope for confusion, so I thought it best to use a word that couldn't be misinterpreted. I don't dispute that "pro tem" means what the OAAPD says it means, but I can't say I've ever seen an Australian media outlet use this terminology in relation to a short-term interim appointment such as Janine Haines'. Cheers. -- JackofOz (talk) 05:27, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

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