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[edit] Progestogen not progesterone

  • Progestasert®, which is no longer available, was a progesterone-releasing IUS. Progesterone is a progestogen; progesterone is the only progestogen that is not a progestin.
  • Mirena is a progestin-releasing IUS. Progesasert was not a progestin-releasing IUS.
  • Progestasert was a progesterone-releasing IUS. Mirena is not a progesterone-releasing IUS.
  • Mirena and Progestasert are both progestogen-releasing intrauterine systems.

69.208.172.157 14:51, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Template expansion, additions

I would like to explain my revert of the most recent edit (from this to this). The expansion of the size of the template did not make it any more readable, it mainly made it take up more space. Also, I do not agree with the content edits. Two-Day Method is a redlink, for one, and the Billings Ovulation Method and the Creighton Model are both essentially brand names for the cervical mucus observation method of fertility awareness. The fertility awareness article describes and links to both the BOM and CM, as well as to the basal body temperature article; because "fertility awareness" is an umbrella term which encompasses all of them. Any instance in which we list a brand names for a method is if that method is only available under one brand name, and are thus is only called by that brand name. We don't have that same issue with the various methods of fertility awareness, so the specific types need not be listed. Joie de Vivre 15:38, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

I started working on this because I noticed that the 2 rows in the final section make the first line appear in the previous section. This was absolutely horible. I can agree with the removal of the brand names. I simply thought that since different methods of the other sections were listed, that this section should be expanded as well; and brand names are listed for the progestogen only section. Anyway, if you still want those parts removed, that is fine by me. Just thought it would help a bit. However, the expanding of the size makes it a lot better to look at and understand. Please, at least restore that change; or let me restore it. Even if it is a bit bigger, that makes no difference to the pages it is used on, other than making them look more relaxed, like it is it's own little section of information. I find it better. Your thoughts on this? SadanYagci 16:02, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
I also see some confusion between the anti-estrogen and hormonal sections that would be cleared up by my version. SadanYagci 16:26, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Since you haven't said anything yet, I'm leaving the new information out, but changing the formating again. Please contact me if you don't like it. SadanYagci 09:29, 23 February 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Description of IUD and IUS

I understand that in the UK, IUDs are copper/silver devices, and IUSs are hormonal devices. However, I feel from the US perspective that it's important to list that there exist both a copper and a hormonal option. In the US, there is no such thing as an "IUS", the term isn't used. Both the Paragard and the Mirena are referred to as the IUD. So, if we list that there is only one type of IUD (copper), a US citizen might be misled into thinking that's the only intrauterine option available.

Because Mirena is listed both under the IUD and the IUS articles, a more complete description in this template is to state that there is such a thing as a progestogen IUD. Both descriptions are complete in this version. Joie de Vivre 20:59, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

As this is a worldwide wiki, the question therefore is what definitions are used in other English-speaking countries - ie Canada, S.Africa, N.Z, Australia etc...
Whilst "IUD (copper or progesterone)" is perhaps therefore correct in the US, "IUD (copper or progestogen), IUS (progestogen)" is wrong as that suggests 3 different types of devices (IUD-copper, IUD-progestogen and the separate entity of IUS-progestogen). Lets await to see if editors from other countries can explain their understanding, but better would have been something along lines of "IUD copper or progestogen, latter also known as IUS" which gives no undue preference for US or UK terminology. David Ruben Talk 22:42, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
The description on the left pretty clearly states "Intra-uterine". I believe that is sufficient to prevent a person from thinking only one device can be described as intrauterine: two Wikilinks follow the "Intra-uterine" description. I also agree with David about the confusion caused by listing the same device twice - it can easily be mistaken for three devices, not two. Lyrl Talk C 02:30, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
I think we should err on the side of it seeming like there are three options than we should err on the side of it seeming that there is only one option. As I said, there is no such thing as an IUS in the States. To say that there is only such thing as a copper IUD is simply incorrect here. I think duplication and cross-reference is a better solution than forcing compliance with a phrase that has no usage here -- particularly because IUDs are so little-known here, I think it's more important to be comprehensive rather than exclusive. Joie de Vivre 19:48, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Recent template overhaul

So, inspired by Fred Bradstadt's work on the template (great job, Fred!), I made two small changes to the template: I added a "Chemical" section to include the Contraceptive sponge and Spermicide. I did this because although the sponge does rely partially on physically blocking sperm, it mainly relies on the spermicide. Another reason to include it in the chemical section is that while the other barrier methods can be used without spermicide, the contraceptive sponge contains spermicide which cannot be removed. Thus, it is always a chemical method.

The second change is that I added a "See also" section. I am hoping that this won't become a WP:BEANS situation with people adding tangentially related things, but I thought it was a good thing to create a place for Natural birth control, a distinction which is relevant to many women who cannot use hormonal methods of birth control. I also moved Abstinence from "Behavioral" to "See also", because I tend to think that "not having sex" is a different category altogether when it comes to birth control. "Birth control" almost always has to do with figuring out ways to have sex, while avoiding pregnancy; it generally does not involve avoiding sex altogether. As all the methods besides abstinence involve sexual activity, I feel this one must be distinguished. Joie de Vivre 14:12, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

P.S. -- Natural family planning is included prominently in the Natural birth control article, so I don't think it needs to be added to the template. Joie de Vivre 14:43, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Recent item name changes

I don't think this edit was very helpful:

I understand the desire to move away from brand names and use more generalized terminology, however, in these cases many of the methods are themselves best known as the brand names. In the event that other brands come up we can use more neutral terminology, in the meantime, this just adds bloat. —Joie de Vivre 15:52, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "See also" line

I'm not sure this line should be in the template. I had concerns about including natural birth control in the template (see Template talk:BirthControl/Archive1#"Natural"). And now anti-rape female condom has been added, which has a relationship to birth control more along the lines of a hysterectomy - meaning, preventing pregnancy is a side effect of its primary purpose. See the end of the section Template talk:BirthControl/Archive1#Formatting for a previous discussion of including hysterectomy and castration (at that time it was decided not to).

I would like to delete the "See also" line and its contents. What do others think? LyrlTalk C 20:58, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lea's Shield

Lea's Shield doesn't seem to belong in the template as a unique method, as it is a cervical cap and, as such, redirects to the cervical cap article. Seems like a no-brainer. Thoughts? 71.58.204.17 (talk) 06:07, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Lea's Shield had its own article until a recent merge. Thanks for pointing out that the merge left this template as a loose end. I'll go ahead and fix the template. LyrlTalk C 12:15, 22 March 2008 (UTC)