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[edit] Noteable Birthdays

When the most significant digit changes, for example one's 1st, 10th, 20th, 50th, or 100th birthdays.

I believe that 11 would be acceptable too. It marks you becoming a preteenɡ.

~~10/12/07 11:26 pst also ho wabout 16? many american girls have "Sweet 16's" because that is when they get their driver's licenses. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.122.4.103 (talk) 06:27, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Western birthday traditions

The Western birthday traditions might have been taken from a a website unlawfully.

Website to compare:http://www.birthdaycards.com/info/wiki/201.htm —The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Zoohouse (talk • contribs) .

It is the other way around. Birthdaycards.com has borrowed the text from Wikipedia (which they are allowed to, under the GFDL). If you scroll down to the bottom, you will see that they credit Wikipedia (as they are required to do). Rasmus (talk) 08:40, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Platinum birthday"

  • Is there any special platinum birthday for when your month and day match your age? Example: Born March 2 (3-2-19xx) and turning 32! Or if you were using the European format it would be 2-3-19xx and turning 23! User:216.21.44.145 (question moved here from article Ianb 23:04, 2 March 2006 (UTC))
Oh dear, my birthday is today... Remind me when I reach 310!!! -- Gurch 23:36, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Unfortunately, most individuals would never live to see this day (that's why it's so special). Sorry if you were born after the 9th of any month or born in a month after September.

I have a question...Is there a special name for the birthday when your age matches the year you were born? Such as turning 53 and were born in '53.

[edit] Silver Birthday

  • In addition to the "Golden Birthday", has anyone heard of the "Silver Birthday." This occurs when become the age of the transposed date of the month (i.e. turning 60 on August (0)6th) Albert109 06:46, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Least common birthday

Although the reference I checked does say that May 22 is the least common birthday, wouldn't you think it would be February 29th? People have a 1 in 1461 chance of being born on that day, as opposed to May 22 which is 1 in 365 or 366. I guess the odds don't make a difference with the known facts. -User:Kip the Dip

[edit] Technical issues

I've removed the second paragraph of this section re 9/11 as it's not really relevant to the subject of birthdays. Perhaps it should belong to either the 9/11 page or the International Date Line page. Tirana 00:51, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Candle for good luck?

In my family, we always put one extra candle on the cake for "good luck." It is usually either a different size or different color that the others (this year we used a sparkler). Is this normal, and should it be added to the article?

[edit] child's photo

Is it appropriate to use the photo of a famous Iranian director for this article? - CrazyRussian talk/contribs/email 18:10, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] What about other cultures?

What about other cultures?

koreans have two 'birthdays.' one of em is the same kind like we have. the other kind is something else. i'm not sure what. muslims do not atach any importance to birthdays or anniversaries.

[edit] Redundant Sections

If multiple users are talking about the SAME SUBJECT put it in the SAME SECTION as the other talk. p00rleno 14:52, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] question!!

If people that are anti-abortion and beleive that the second the egg and sperm come together and it living, then why don't the celebrate the birthday the day it is conceved

Essentially because "birth"day is the date of birth, not the date of conception, even if it is living after conception. Albert109 20:51, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

also because often the date of conception isn't known.

[edit] Died on their birthdays

Suggestion: Add a category for people who died on their birthdays. The list would include feminist author Betty Friedan and Baseball Hall of Fame catcher Gabby Hartnett, but not, despite the legend, William Shakespeare. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 128.6.205.75 (talk • contribs) 21:14, 29 June 2006 (UTC).

Well, that sounds like a good idea. This could be a new article on famous people who died on their birthdays. But allow me to point out that the key word here is famous. We do not want a situation whereby a non-notable person is included in this article. --Siva1979Talk to me 03:23, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Question - same digit birthdays

Is there a specific word used to describe same digit birthdays? (11, 22, 33, 44, 55, etc.) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 142.162.175.251 (talk • contribs) 20:31, 18 July 2006 (UTC).

Not that I know of. Hardee67 18:08, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Birthstones and Bible

I don't recall ever hearing of this before that birthstones originated with the stones set in Aaron's breastplate or the foundation of New Jerusalem. Can you provide a reference? Mapetite526 20:11, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

This is frankly untrue. The stones on Aharon's Breastplate were pictures of the Tribes of Yisrael, and had absolutely NOTHING to do with birthdays. Birtdays originated from Pagan cultures and practices, and were considered sinful before approx. 300 AD. This needs to be REMOVED from this article IMMEADIATLY, being that it is completely unfounded. Doonak 19:48, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Birth Date distribution

The trivia section claims that october 5th is the most popular birthday, and sometime in may is the least. It cites an article from the frederickburg times, that sites [1]. This latter site is barely a site. I can't imageine why it was sourced in the news article, and by induction the citation for this section ought to be replaced with something more reputable. Does anyone know where to find census data on this? - Shaggorama 02:41, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] birthday / calendar concern [cultural norms?] -- re: george washington

i am not sure where to add something i learned today...

where it says: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birthday#Official.2FAlternative_birthdays_and_name_day

it makes a reference to notables having a birthDATE different than the one that is "official" (aka popularized?)

now, i have copied and pasted some information from: http://www.archives.gov/legislative/features/washington/

"George Washington's Birthday is celebrated as a federal holiday on the third Monday in February. It is one of eleven permanent holidays established by Congress." ....... "George Washington was born in Virginia on February 11, 1731, according to the then-used Julian calendar. In 1752, however, Britain and all its colonies adopted the Gregorian calendar, which moved the calendar ahead 11 days and made January the first month of the year instead of March. The new calendar placed Washington's birth on February 22, 1732."

the wiki page does make mention "While it is uncommon to have an official holiday for a republican head of state's birthday, this can become a permanent posthumous honour, especially in the case of a so-called father of the fatherland, e.g. George Washington (best known as Presidents' Day, which sounds like the incumbent's party; also celebrated in the US is Lincoln's Birthday) "


but it does not talk about the gregorian/ julian calendar stipulation ... so this is a lot of information i have found and i know it does tie into this page factually, but i do have issues with staying connected in my points so i don't quite know how to include it?

HELP?

see also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_washington <-- also no mention of the julian/gregorian calendar change and how it affects the date of washington's birthday as we know it...

[edit] "Christmas birthdays really suck"

Exactly what facts are referenced by this book? It's hard to tell, since it's not used as a footnote. Shinobu 16:17, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Why Jehovah's Witnesses don't celebrate birthdays...

Stated is, that Jehova's don't celebrate their birthday because they consider it to be pagan. However, I remember hearing from a Jehova's witness that it is due to the fact that no other than Jehova should be worshipped.

how silly. birthday's aren't about worship.

Answer 1:Actually, as a Jehovah's Witness, the birthday celebration has ties to pagan gods. Since we do not celebrate other holidays that have pagan ties (ie Easter and Halloween), why celebrate this one? If I knowingly celebrate a holiday dedicated to a pagan God, how would God view that? I don't think he would be thrilled. Better to be safe than sorry. Besides, why is it such a big deal, there are many other milestones to celebrate. Shouldn't your mother get the thanks for giving birth. You didn't do any of the work. The accomplishments of your life are what matter.

Also, I corrected the Section to reflect the Proper spelling of Jehovah's name. I did not correct the previous statement and numerous misspellings. 167.207.128.101 18:41, 14 November 2006 (UTC) Raerah

Answer 2: While Jehovah's Witnesses do not celebrate birthdays primarily because of the Pagan connection, there are also indications in the bible and secular history which preclude celebrations of this nature. First, the bible itself lists only two birthday celebrations. The first is at Genesis 40:20 at this celebration, Pharoah beheaded his baker. The other is located at Matthew 14:6-10, where Herod promised Herodias that since her dance pleased him so much, she could have whatever she asked for. Unfortunately, she asked for the head of John the baptist. Notably, bible historians indicate that it was not a custom for first century christians to celebrate their birthdays. Also, as is listed in the text on the origins of the celebration of birthdays, it has a pagan origin.

Explained brilliantly! Why does the article state Jehovahs Witnesses "consider" it pagan!? Surely the proof that it is pagan is incontrovertible? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Camaeron (talk • contribs) 20:01, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
I think these responses should be merged with the article. Any short way to do so? --inky 04:11, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
Not without sources. --Steven Fisher 04:47, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
Regarding camaeron's 2007 comment a couple lines up: I'm not sure proof of the celebration's origins are incontrovertible, given its ancient timeframe. If there is solid proof, it could be reworded as a fact, citing a reliable source. But also note that whatever the celebration's origins, the sentence implying that's the rationale for Jehovah's Witnesses non-celebration is dubious; I've seen competing reasons: pagan origins, birthday celebrations not mentioned in the bible, birthdays themselves only mentioned negatively in the bible, and that it unduly celebrates the individual. To clarify the distinction about biblical mention from paganism, JHs have funeral ceremonies, which are of pagan origin, but are also mentioned in the bible. -Agyle 22:23, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Answer 3 Have Jehovah’s witnesses a real basis to forbid birthday parties to their members?

1. Can we find any statement in the bible that birthday parties are forbidden? There is not one verse.

2. Have birthday parties pagan elements or origins? There are more pagan elements in wedding parties than in birthday parties. The origin doesn’t seem to be well known. Nearly 4000 years ago the pharaoh celebrated his birthday in Egypt, according to Genesis Chapter 40. On this day the baker was beheaded and the cupbearer found mercy and he got back his old job. This should show for Jehovah’s witnesses that birthday parties are bad because the baker was executed - or sentenced to death. The question is: was this punishment an injustice? We do not know what the bakers crime was. The bible does not tell it. May be he did a very bad thing for instance he could add poison into the bread so that some people die. If we do not know the reason for the bakers death we cannot say that his death was unjust. So read the bible story about this pharaoh. He was a righteous ruler. He was very wise because he acted according to the message from God and according to the advices of Joseph. By trusting in God he rescued people from starving. He also showed his love to Joseph and his family by giving them Goshen, a very nice land for them and their sheep. So this pharaoh hardly did any unfairness to the baker.

3. Another person celebrating his birthday was Herod Antipas. According to Matthew 14:6-10 John the Baptist was executed on this day. But the reason for this crime was not the birthday celebration, the reason was the hate of Herod’s wife Herodias.

4. It seems that Christians in the first centuries a.d. avoid birthday celebrations of rulers and kings. But the reason can be that they wanted to stay away from national feasts and to conserve their neutrality.

As a result we can say that there may be arguments for Jehovah’s witnesses to avoid birthdays of political persons. But there are no logical reasons to forbid birthday celebrations of children, with friends and relatives.

[edit] "Birthstones" deserves a seperate article

I looked at the web and found various lists for birthstones on the following websites: http://www.ags.org/consumers/Gift_Guide/birthstones.asp http://www.gemstone.org/gem-o-rama/gem-o-rama_birth.html The latter website also presents lists for Modern birthstones, Zodiac birthstones, and Traditional birthstones of different cultures (Hebrew, Hindu, Roman, Arabic, Polish, Russian to list a few) based on the exact birthdate (month and day).

[edit] Early Months of Birthdays

Is it true that if you were born in September, October, November, and December, that you are one year younger than some people even though you were born in the same year?

This presumably relates to countries where the academic year starts in September (eg England), so someone born in September 1995 would be in a lower academic year than someone born in August 1995. Pjc51 16:28, 8 July 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Thanksgiving Birthday Pattern

New section submitted for inclusion in the Birthday article. Was originally posted to the Thanksgiving article discussion.

Thanksgiving (USA)is a rare holiday that doesn't fall on the same date each year. The date is affected by the fact that it is fixed to the fourth Thursday of November. And leap year causes the date to jump a year. The resulting pattern is a 28 year cycle that goes like this; 11 years, 6 years, 5 years, 6 years then repeats.

If your Birthday falls between 11/22 and 11/28 it will eventually fall on Thanksgiving day. The easiest way to tell if your Birthday is going to fall on Thanksgiving is to look at the first day of November. If the first day of the month is a;
Sun = Thanksgiving is on the 26th,
Mon = 25th,
Tues = 24th,
Wed = 23rd,
Thu = 22nd,
Fri = 28th,
Sat = 27th.

Following is a list of Thanksgiving Birthday's for each possible date;
11/22 -- 2007, 2012, 2018, 2029, 2035;
11/23 -- 2006, 2017, 2023, 2028, 2034;
11/24 -- 2011, 2016, 2022, 2033, 2039;
11/25 -- 2010, 2021, 2027, 2032, 2038;
11/26 -- 2009, 2015, 2020, 2026, 2037;
11/27 -- 2008, 2014, 2025, 2031, 2036;
11/28 -- 2013, 2019, 2024, 2030, 2041
Gregmjr 23:08, 3 February 2007 (UTC) Gregmjr (talk) 15:05, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Significant Digits

When the most significant digit changes, for example one's 1st, 10th, 15th, 30th, 50th, or 100th birthdays,

The 15th does not represent a change in the most significant digit. Furthermore, the term 'most significant digit' seems overly technical for the topic here. Why not just 'round numbers'?

[edit] portuguese

in portuguese the song is parabens a voce (portugal) and parabens pra voce in brasil

[edit] Assigned birthday

I'm not sure how best to write (or cite) it, but it would be useful to add something about the fact that certain birthdates are commonly assigned when the actual birthdate is unknown ... January 1, for example, was assigned by the United Nations as the birthday for the Lost Boys of the Sudan due to the difficulty of determining their actual dates of birth, and here in the United States the immigration services have frequently taken this same approach, from what I can find online -- mostly in blogs, hence not citable. Lawikitejana 02:54, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Red Egg Party?

Should there be a section in here about the Chinese tradition of the Red Egg and Ginger Party? Seems to be a part of the idea of birth parties, maybe not birthday parties...

[edit] Photo

Could we possible have a less scary photo for this article? The one we have at the moment look's like it's Satan's birthday party.

Seriously. I'm not kidding.

ChaosSorcerer91 (talk) 15:58, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree. Millions of people have their photos taken for their birthdays. Surely there is a less scary one out there?

172.188.85.45 (talk) 11:01, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Hahahaha... the pic also scared me. --Howard the Duck 17:12, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Commented out "External Links" section

I took the liberty of commenting out the "External links" section. As I wrote in my edit summary, I don't really see the point of having an "External links" section for an article on the concept of Birthday. It's not like it's an article on some pop star who has a website we can link to, or some software package, etc. And it was only being used for linkspamming anyway... –W2bh (talk) 21:58, 15 May 2008 (UTC)