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[edit] To do

There are still a number of sections to add to this article:

  • Burrow needs to be completed. Y Done
  • Cup needs to be greatly expanded.
  • Sub-sections need to be added for: Platform, Pendant/basket, Saucer, Dome/sphere.
  • Nest sanitation.
  • Evolution of nest-building, place in courtship.
  • Colonial nesting (with pointer to main article - Bird colony). —Preceding unsigned comment added by MeegsC (talk • contribs) 18:15, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
Also needs more and better illustrations (see commons). There isn't any information about woven hanging nests. --EncycloPetey 19:53, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
Go easy on me EncycloPetey—I just moved this over to article space and know it still needs work! It's certainly a vast improvement over the current Nest article, which was all we had before today! Woven hanging nests are already in the list of things to be added: those would be the pendant/basket nests. MeegsC | Talk 20:33, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
Sorry if I seemed pushy; I'm just documenting suggestions. You've done a nice job of starting the article! I was a little surprised that there wasn't a separate article on this topic before now, but then plant physiology didn't have an article until a few days ago when I wrote one. Note: For the DYK nomination, I added a nice picture from Commons. --EncycloPetey 23:00, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

I came here from the DYK link and have no idea about birds or their nests. However, Could I suggest adding some of the info on this page to other pages or linking it back to here (ie there is currently no info on the Dusky Scrubfowl page about how huge it's nests are.)

--Westralian 11:14, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Good idea Westralian; I'll work on incorporating the information into the appropriate articles over the next few weeks... MeegsC | Talk 11:48, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
Need to include Flamingo nesting (raised mounds of mud - what kind is that ?)Y Done and floating reed (platform?) neests of Grebes. Shyamal 08:25, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nest protection and sanitation

I'm not sure combining these two subjects into one section is the best way to present the information; they're really unrelated subjects. If others feel that protection strategies shouldn't be integrated into the nest-type sections—I had initially included them there since protection strategies are strongly influenced by the type of nest being protected—then I think we should consider breaking them out into their own section rather than combining them with sanitation. What do you other editors think?? MeegsC | Talk 23:57, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Feel free to restructure. I felt that sanitation was protection from parasites and pathogens while protection was from predators and so saw them as similar. Shyamal 02:20, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
Ah! I see your point. Perhaps we could make it two subsections of the same overall section (called perhaps something like "Nest protection", with subsections maybe "From predators" and "From pathogens and parasites"). Once we've got all the bits and pieces added, we can decide what feels right. Thanks for all your help on this, by the way. I'm in Oz at the moment, and so away from all my books and journals! MeegsC | Talk 06:58, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nice work

Great DYK, keep up the good work on bird articles! Richard001 11:04, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

I agree. I was taken aback when I first visited - It looks more like a featured article than a recent article. It's hard to believe that it has only been "live" for less than four days. -- 13:29, 28 September 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.33.121.200 (talk)
I agree. Lovely article!! Lady BlahDeBlah 14:09, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

I swear this looks more like a FA than a DYK entry! *scratches head* Resurgent insurgent 15:02, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bird nest as food

Mention should be made of the Chinese bird's nest soup; I think we can mention that in the article in a better way than a crude disambiguation hatnote. Resurgent insurgent 15:11, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

P.S. Guess what shows up as #1 Google hit for both "bird nest" and "bird's nest". :( Resurgent insurgent 15:18, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Shyamal for adding it. :) Resurgent insurgent 01:50, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for pointing out the gaps :) Shyamal 02:20, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nidification

I just thought of creating a redirect and discovered a whole article out there :( The two obviously need merging and I would vote for the simpler bird nest to the rather archaic Nidification which was quite a popular term in Victorian ornithology. Shyamal 05:04, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Merge, obviously as nest. Most of nidification can just be dumped. The only significant different bit is that on incubation, but I'm not sure of the current validity of the quoted research. Jimfbleak 09:51, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
Most (if not all) of the nidification article appears to have been lifted directly from the 1911 Encyclopedia Britannica; Wikipedia guidelines suggest this not be done as a matter of course. We have an avian incubation article already, and can certainly tie to it from the Bird nest article (as we've done with bird colony. MeegsC | Talk 12:01, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
Merge to "bird nest" as above. —JerryFriedman 21:08, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
Thanks all. Redirected Nidification to this article. Could not find any information worth including here. Shyamal 03:22, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
I think Nidification should really have its own page as the term refers to nest building and nesting behaviour in many different types of animals other than birds (dung beetles for example). --Pappa (talk) 09:07, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
Maybe it can be made into a disambiguation if there are other nest articles. Shyamal (talk) 09:24, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] A few suggestions

I see on the Wikipedia:One featured article per quarter you're going to want a few eyes before this gets submitted to FA. Please forgive me if I jump the gun, but there are a few comments I'd like to make/suggest. Feel free to disregard or claim you knew that and were going to get to it!

  • There are a couple of instances where trends common to a number of species/groups are presented as occuring in one species. The most glaring example is Buff-breasted Paradise-kingfishers dig their nests into the compacted mud of active termite mounds, either on the ground or in trees. This makes it sound like the behaviour is unique to this one species, in fact many jacamars as well as some parrots and woodpeckers use this technique as well. Some of these should be changed to reflect that the species cited are examples, thus Some species, such as the Buff-breasted Paradise-kingfisher and many of the jacamars, dig their nests into the compacted mud of active termite mounds, either on the ground or in trees.
  • Nest types - more species than you suggest use crevices without any other form of nesting material, particularly crevice nesting storm-petrels (like the Ashy Storm-petrel and auks (like the Pigeon Guillemot). Basically, it needs to be reworded a bit to again reflect that these examples are illustrative, not exhaustive. Also worth mentioning is the bizarre nestless egg moving Waved Albatross. I can send you an article on it if you like. Sabine's Sunbird talk 03:05, 19 April 2008 (UTC)