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Carla Baron – Resolved. – 15:56, 12 June 2007 (UTC) | ||
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Carla Baron
In light of the above caveat- I wish to report that an organization named IIG West has self-published an article on me that I consider to be in extremely poor taste and defamatory.
I am requesting full protection for this page, of which I am the subject. I had emailed Wikipedia twice now regarding this issue, with no reply. I'd appreciate a firm and quick response to this matter. I understand that your volunteer associates are quite busy, but this matter is of a critical & professionally damaging nature. Thank you, Carla Baron Psychic profiler 06:16, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
Subject has complained on OTRS. My opinion: keep it deleted until it calms down. This is not a high priority topic. David.Monniaux 06:46, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
Well at least let's wait until we stop getting emails every 5 minutes. Also, can somebody investigate whether that report is legitimate news, or just some crank? David.Monniaux 07:06, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
I did not add my name to the Wikipedia listings for my name whatsoever. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carla_Baron I found this listing when someone emailed the link to me after it was created by someone. I know not who. I do not need to create publicity for myself, as it is well-known I star in my own series on Court TV. I was merely adding links that I have sanctioned as official for Carla Baron. This is for genuine Carla Baron fans to easily locate links that are mine. I am sorry if I was "redundant" on these as I am new. That is the extent of it. - Carla Baron Psychic profiler 07:53, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
Carla Baron, this matter involves an obvious attempt to cover-up criticism of yourself. Such coverups aren't allowed here unless the information is libelous or undocumented. Articles here include criticism. Your misuse of this BLP Noticeboard will not succeed and has only brought more attention to your agenda, which is to keep criticism out of the article. This documented criticism needs to be included:
I suspect there are other third party sources that can also be used to bring balance to the article. If there are issues with the quality (RS, V) of those sources, that is one matter, but covering up criticism violates NPOV, and there is plenty of criticism out there! Carla, what has happened here is that you have become the victim of Wikipedia's "Law of Unintended Consequences":
This applies to all articles and to any subject, including pet ideas or favorite singer, regardless of who started the article. We need to cover the subject from all angles, and NPOV requires that both sides of the story are presented, so criticism is included. Many think they can write an article presenting a subject in the best light possible, only to find they have opened a can of worms and Pandora's box itself. Once the article is started, all kinds of negative things also become part of the article. So attempts to promote something often end up back-firing. As we have often seen here, attempts to cover-up documented criticism only results in more unwanted attention and even better referenced criticisms being added to the article in question. We aren't interested in your idea of "truth", but in NPOV coverage of all aspects of the subject. Hagiographic articles are fine in the media or your own website, but are totally inappropriate here. Your proper role here (since you have a conflict of interest) is to ensure that obvious libel or undocumented criticisms are corrected, and that is best done by participating at the article's talk page and convincing other editors to help you do it if they can be convinced by your arguments. If that doesn't work, then you can use this board. The article should be restored, including the criticism. This attempt to violate NPOV and misuse this board should back-fire big. -- Fyslee/talk 05:57, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
Apparently there's more to it than that. According to logs and history, Carla Baron is now a protected redirect to Haunting Evidence. Case looks closed. — Athaenara ✉ 15:41, 12 June 2007 (UTC) |
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Bill Freeman – Resolved. – 15:56, 12 June 2007 (UTC) |
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Bill Freeman→ See also: first AfD, second AfD
Is it resolved? Although the article has been deleted three times, as recorded on the logs page, it has not been protected against re-creation. — Athaenara ✉ 04:15, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
Article deleted, protected (see logs) against re-creation. — Athaenara ✉ 15:56, 12 June 2007 (UTC) |
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List of drug smugglers – Article deleted. – 16:19, 12 June 2007 (UTC) |
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List of drug smugglersThis is a problematic list with no sources itself. I removed the name of people (possibly living) who do not have an individual WP article and also some famous families that looked like vandalism as there was no mention of this in the main articles on them. I also removed the name whose articles I list as problems below. I did not due a great deal of research here due to the number of of problems. diff
Please tell me if I am doing something wrong here.--BirgitteSB 20:05, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
On AfD at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_drug_smugglers ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 02:44, 7 June 2007 (UTC) |
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Pablo Ganguli – Resolved. – 16:19, 12 June 2007 (UTC) |
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Not notable, links/ cited articles not found. the article may be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.178.69.229 (talk • contribs) 20:44, 7 June 2007 (UTC)) |
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Stephen Barrett – Talk:Stephen Barrett & its 9 archives replayed here. No resolution. – 18:07, 12 June 2007 (UTC) |
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Stephen Barrett→ See also: Stephen Barrett section in BLP/N archive 11.
Disputed content: "Stephen Barrett is not Board Certified." This statement was made by Stephen Barrett on Wikipedia: "One thrust of their campaign has been to suggest that I have midrepesented my credentials. I certainly have not. The words deliberately make it sound like what I said was somehow extracted under pressure. The fact that I am not board certified has been known by chiropractors for more than 30 years and has never been a sectret."[1] BLP concerns itself with getting the article right and relying on good sources. Above, Barrett himself tells us that he is not Board Certified and that this information is not a secret. There are other primary and secondary sources that verify that Barrett is not Board Certified, but I think this comment by Barrett helps us determine if there is a BLP violation more than any other. I think it falls perfectly under this provision in BLP: Using the subject as a self-published source. I would love some third-party input on this topic. Thanks! -- Levine2112 discuss 18:05, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
AvB is directly involved in this BLP dispute. I would like a third-party opinion on whether or not adding this statement violates BLP given that there are several reliable sources verifying this information, that Barrett himself says that he is open about this information, and that no editor here has claimed that this content is false:
Thanks. -- Levine2112 discuss 19:15, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
I think Levine is on solid ground. SB came out of retirement to appear at WP and backed it all up. He is OK with clarifying the whole thing, so why isn't everyone else? What's the fear? Levine has offered a very NPOV statement. So let's accept it and close this chapter. Steth 04:12, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
Questions for Risker: Are you basing your opinion on Levine2112's first description of the dispute given above? His second description? Or did you form this opinion after reading the discussion and arguments on the talk page and in the talk page archives? If not, could you please use the links I gave above and let us know if you still have this opinion? Levine2112 has expressed an interest in hearing from what he calls "the experts on the BLP noticeboard". Would you consider yourself such a BLP expert? Did you consider the argument that this piece of primary source info should not be taken out of context? The context is that a couple of partisan opponents running attack sites (of the kind not allowed on Wikipedia) have used the argument to attack Barrett, while not a single court has ever required him to be board certified or refused him as a witness or expert because of his not being a board certified psychiatrist? Like 2 out of 3 psychiatrists at the time as reported in the same primary sources? Or, assuming that courts had this requirement, that Barrett retired in 1990, and cannot be expected (by others than his partisan attackers) to be board certified in court cases later than 1997 since certification expires after 7 or 10 years? Etc etc - there's more to this seemingly simple point than meets the eye. Would you agree that your example is original research? Zero reliable sources have said that. On a side note, Steth is involved in the discussion, and clearly pushing a barrow here. Just this morning I removed a BLP violation where he demonstrated why he and other editors are so keen on including this information in a very specific form. AvB ÷ talk 13:13, 7 June 2007 (UTC) PS Steth then inserted the same attack once again, this time sourcing it to an attack site parroting Bolen, Barrett's main detractor, who (so far) only escaped being convicted for libel/defamation over it due to the court's ruling that his (Bolen's) writings about Barrett were "statements of opinion, not of fact" which is apparently normal in heated prose opposing a public figure. Go figure. I've once again removed the attack per WP:BLP. AvB ÷ talk 14:16, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
An involved editor has gone to the talk page of the one third-party that has responded here thus far, asking for secondary sources to support the statement: "Barrett has not been granted board certification in any medical speciality". For further verification, here is just a partial list of secondary sources which mention that Barrett is not Board Certified:
The primary sources include: I would still love some more input from the BLP experts here. Thanks for your guidance! -- Levine2112 discuss 21:10, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
As with the Hockey stick controversy, the substance here involves pertinent facts which either can or cannot be referenced with reliable sources. Endless wrangling about the pertinence of the information and the reliability of the references is disruptive. Both quarrels have been ongoing for months and now account for over one third of the content on this noticeboard. As the participants in these two disputes may or may not have noticed, BLP/N is rather busy: there are currently over three dozen other articles needing its attention. — Athaenara ✉ 09:16, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
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Michael DelGiorno – Inactive. – 09:01, 15 June 2007 (UTC) |
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The week-long spree seems to have ended on the 28th of May. — Athaenara ✉ 08:00, 12 June 2007 (UTC) |
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Steve Javie – Inactive. – 09:01, 15 June 2007 (UTC) |
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Vandalism ceased a few days after protection was removed. — Athaenara ✉ 09:01, 15 June 2007 (UTC) |
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Chaparral Middle School (Moorpark) – Inactive. – 09:01, 15 June 2007 (UTC) |
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Chaparral Middle School (Moorpark)Repeated personal attacks against the school's principal being made by anons. Best to keep an eye on this article. Corvus cornix 23:36, 30 May 2007 (UTC) |
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Alfred G. Gilman – Inactive. – 09:01, 15 June 2007 (UTC) |
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Alfred G. Gilman
The following unsourced text is being repeatedly inserted into the article by an anonymous user (129.112.109.250 or 129.112.109.251): "Al Gilman continues to be despised by the UT Southwestern student body and abhorred by the faculty who are too scared to speak against him for fear of reprisal. His overall approval rating is currently 22%, an all time low for any Dean of the medical school in its 63 year history. Send your comments to Alfred.Gilman@Utsouthwestern.edu ." I've reverted it three times. -- Takwish | Talk 17:16, 1 June 2007 (UTC) |
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Gackt – Consensus for the citation issue reached/uncited content removed. – 01:22, 15 June 2007 (UTC) |
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Warriors for innocence – Article redirected as per Afd. – 22:03, 16 June 2007 (UTC) |
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Warriors for innocenceSomeone has added the "biographies of living persons" notice-box to the Talk page of this article. Since the article is about a group or orginization is it supposed to be there/be used like that? CyntWorkStuff 08:10, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
Article was redirected to LiveJournal#Account suspension controversy as per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Warriors for innocence. — Athaenara ✉ 22:03, 16 June 2007 (UTC) |
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Lindsay Lohan – Resolved. – 22:03, 16 June 2007 (UTC) |
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Lindsay LohanHey guys, I have no Idea how to work this thing but i just checked Lindsay Lohans article: Her date of birth in incorrect, she's one year older. thanks, henriette —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.248.74.8 (talk • contribs) 13:17, 3 June 2007 (UTC) Hi, Henriette, All I'm seeing, both on and offwiki (World Almanac) is July 2, 1986. Do you have a source that says '85? Ispy1981 20:20, 3 June 2007 (UTC) |
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Peter Openshaw – Resolved. – 22:03, 16 June 2007 (UTC) |
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Peter Openshaw→ See also: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Peter Openshaw
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John Lee Parrott – Article moved as per Afd. – 22:03, 16 June 2007 (UTC) |
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John Lee Parrott→ See also: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John Lee Parrott
See Wikipedia guideline on "Articles about living people notable only for one event" Dougdeal 01:39, 8 June 2007 (UTC) John Lee Parrot moved to Adoption proceedings of Emily Rose as per Afd. — Athaenara ✉ 22:03, 16 June 2007 (UTC) |
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Joel Hayward – Article deleted. – 22:03, 16 June 2007 (UTC) |
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Nicholas Gruner – Inactive. – 23:02, 18 June 2007 (UTC) |
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Nicholas GrunerThere are many problems on the Nicholas Gruner page. Information is being added without being cited, original research may exists, and an entire section is written by someone who appears to be a Sedevacantist (an ultra-traditional Catholic who sees the current Catholic Church as heretical). It needs major revision.--Msl5046 22:15, 28 May 2007 (UTC) |
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Doug Dohring – Inactive. – 23:02, 18 June 2007 (UTC) |
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James Dicks – Inactive. – 23:02, 18 June 2007 (UTC) |
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James DicksThere has been repeated deletion of well documented material in this article by single purpose editors. The article content may well be controversial, because Dicks is controversial. The article started out as a pure commercial message for Dicks. I added much of the controversial (but documented) info. The article has since survived two Requests for Deletion. Since there are possible BLP issues, I refer it here. Smallbones 11:20, 1 June 2007 (UTC) |
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Ben Bernanke – Inactive. – 23:02, 18 June 2007 (UTC) |
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There seems to be a bit of a spat going on on this article. It's probably worth keeping an eye on this, as the dispute seems to have been going on for a few weeks now. -- ChrisO 19:14, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
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Hugh Grant – Inactive. – 23:02, 18 June 2007 (UTC) |
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Hugh Grant71.55.132.205 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · block user · block log) just removed a...contentious paragraph from the Hugh Grant article, despite it being IMHO well-sourced. Probably just some well-meaning fan, but I have chosen not to warn the editor in light of the "selective" blanking. If this is the appropriate venue, external input would be appreciated, as I've removed a fair amount of vandalism from this article and may be impaired of my strategic distance :) Fvasconcellos (t·c) 17:08, 2 June 2007 (UTC) |
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Alenka Bikar – Inactive. – 23:02, 18 June 2007 (UTC) |
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Alenka Bikar- Persistently edited to serve as a photo gallery and external links to photographs and videos that are not of encyclopedic meric (such as "Alenka Bikar the hottest ass" and so forth).
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Paul Magriel – Resolved. – 06:31, 20 June 2007 (UTC) |
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Paul MagrielHello, there is somebody adding a comment on the biography of Paul Magriel, a living person, declaring that a "Susan Silver" is the author of his work, "Backgammon". With this notice I assert, as the co-author of the book, and the book's editor, that this is not the case, and I would really appreciate it if you could stop whoever is adding this specious information from doing so. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Roserose1 (talk • contribs) 02:13, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
User talk:165.155.192.7 is tagged as registered to New York City Public Schools. Something similar seems likely for the 12.75.16*.* range as well. — Athaenara ✉ 01:27, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
"Cease and desist from editing the material I am placing on this article" is now the word from 65.96.25.65 (that's Roserose1) to "anybody else who is editing this page." — Athaenara ✉ 15:04, 12 June 2007 (UTC) |
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Peter Nehr – Resolved (also reported on COI/N - archived). – 06:31, 20 June 2007 (UTC) |
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Peter Nehr→ See also: Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard/Archive 13#Peter Nehr
User:Anitanehr, the article's main author, is the subject's wife. She says that she was "assigned to establish the Wikipedia listing for my husband" (see User talk:Anitanehr). This raises an obvious WP:COI issue, as well as issues under WP:BLP. No WP:RS is cited, which implicates WP:NOR. Further, there is no indication that this first-term Florida legislator is WP:NOTE. Finell (Talk) 07:50, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
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Hal Blaine – Resolved. – 06:31, 20 June 2007 (UTC) |
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Hal BlaineThe article on Hal Blaine seems to be a rip off of www.rockhall.com. I dont see any credit to them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.1.105.192 (talk • contribs) 10:57, 31 May 2007 (UTC) Resolved. Not really a BLPN problem; However, I deleted material as WP:copyvio of Biography - Hal Blaine. -- Jreferee (Talk) 18:15, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
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Jordan McCoy – Resolved. – 06:31, 20 June 2007 (UTC) |
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The Bus Uncle – Resolved. – 06:31, 20 June 2007 (UTC) |
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The Bus UncleDispute between User:Tony Sidaway who raises BLP concerns and User:Raul654 who says they don't exist. Please comment. —— Eagle101Need help? 06:51, 5 June 2007}} (UTC)
Reason for notability is more than just a 6-min cellphone recording; they were actually widely reported by the mass media. And about the BLP concern - The three-musts concerning BLP: Let us now see the paragraphs: "As the video became well-known, reporters looked for the "Bus Uncle" near the end of the 68X bus route. Eventually, they found the 51-year-old[1] restaurant worker who resides in Yuen Long, Roger Chan Yuet Tung (Chinese: 陳乙東).[2] As of June 2006, after his identity was revealed, Chan was criticised for reportedly demanding remuneration for interviews.[3]" Are the paragraphs not asserting just facts? There is no "opinion" in the paragraphs, they are all "facts", complete with the references. For example: the wording was just something like "is criticized", "stated that", etc. It must also be stressed that assessing whether something is NPOV or not requires the assessor to read in an NPOV. The paragraphs obviously passed points 2 and 3, since everything is sufficiently referenced. I hope that editors, before raising such a concern that has great effects on the Wikipedian community, gain complete knowledge on what those policies and guidlines actually mean, and assess articles with an NPOV. --:Raphaelmak: [talk] [contribs] 04:11, 9 June 2007 (UTC) {{Resolved|1=Dispute is over extent of recent BLP expansion. Matter has received enough intervention on article talk page to resolve the dispute as far as this board is concerned. -- Jreferee (Talk) 22:50, 19 June 2007 (UTC) |
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Alan Feinstein – Resolved. – 05:46, 23 June 2007 (UTC) |
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I suspect I am not doing this right, as it is the first time I have run across this problem. There is a bio of Alan Shawn Feinstein (Alan Feinstein) which is extremely laudatory. In fact, things are not that clear, and the local paper ran an article about the source of some of his wealth. He also seems to be a very self-promoting person, as far as I can tell, he never gives a nickel to any charity without requiring that they publicize his donation. He makes tv ads about his contributions. I made a couple of mild edits to include this info, leaving the ton of laudatory stuff alone, and then in looking at the history found that someone else had tried to do that and had had their edits removed. Also, someone has already flagged the article as of disputed neutrality. It's annoying to see a long article that really seems off the beam. What's the policy on this? Can it be fixed to be accurate and then frozen? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Trudyjh (talk • contribs) 20:13, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
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Joe Eigo – Resolved. – 05:46, 23 June 2007 (UTC) |
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Joe EigoArticle has ostensibly been edited by the subject, contains zero citations, and is in need of a clean up. Made attempts to get citations for some statements, removed others, and tagged the article ([3], [4]). My edits have been repeatedly reverted, first by Naconkantari, then Starnestommy. I can no longer try to improve the article or I will be in breach of 3RR. I've also been given a vandal warning, which is obviously completely unwarranted. --81.179.113.175 02:40, 4 June 2007 (UTC) Resolved. Not really a BLPN problem; However, references were added to the article to address concerns. -- Jreferee (Talk) 18:55, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
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Mary Manin Morrissey – Resolved. – 05:46, 23 June 2007 (UTC) |
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Mary Manin MorrisseyA friend of my parents' is a lawyer, and he is currently mediating a despute between this individual and a former disgruntled employee of hers. Knowing I am admin here, he just gave me a call saying that, during the mediation, the topic of the person in question editing her Wikipedia page came up. Apparently he has added a ton of untrue/biased/slanderous material and when she tries to remove it, she is reverted. He mentioned the allegations of additions section as an example. I quickly glanced at it and it appears sourced, but I didn't have time to check if it was reliably sourced. While I told him the process to e-mail the foundation to remove untrue BLP information, we should make a headstart by trying to clean this up as much as possible. I am in my last 10 days or so of college and finishing up projects, finals, etc. so I really don't have time to deal with this myself right now. If some people can look this article over for BLP problems and remove them ASAP that would be great. VegaDark (talk) 02:51, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
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Gwen Shamblin – Inactive. – 22:56, 26 July 2007 (UTC) |
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Gwen Shamblin and NPOV's "N"→ See also: Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard#Gwen Shamblin
The Gwen Shamblin wiki entry including the recent discussions on the Gwen Shamblin Talk page have gotten Shamblin's attention for once. As an authorized representative for Shamblin, I am sincerely asking for the help and direction of admins and editors alike to consider the difference between allegations and facts, and unintended consequences of allegations. I would at least like to ask that anonymous edits not be allowed on this entry similar to the Phil McGraw entry. Everyone has their critics, even Dr. Phil, Dr. Laura, and Michael Jackson have their critics, dissentors, disenchanted former employees, and ex-clients. However, some of the allegations reported in the news about Shamblin and now recently re-gurgitated on wiki, rise to a unique level that may be inciting threatening letters, emails, and phonecalls. Recently she has had several close-calls in direct face-to-face confrontations, two of which required local police intervention and subsequent discovered potentially violent intentions. These incedents by total strangers had one thing in common, they involved people who had never even met Mrs. Shamblin and knew nothing about her except what they read in a news article or on the internet where a certain few people have made vague claims that Shamblin has said, done, teaches, or approves of harming children or others. Allegations, Mrs. Shamblin has flatly denied and has repeatedly proven (and been forced to prove to police) that they are false. When someone continues to uphold these unsupported claims that she or her church approve of child-abuse, it tends to get self-appointed vigilante types crazy. A seemingly noble cause is all some people need to snap. Media outlets are understandably slow to let go of a shocking controversy, because they sell news that is shocking. But surely, as intriguing as accusations of criminal or pseudo-criminal behavior like this are to the media and those who would stop a reported "monster", this is why wiki has a very well thought out policy on biographies of LIVING persons. I don't want to wait until some sincerely tragic headline news of an attack on Mrs. Shamblin is reported to ask for reasonable consideration of facts and what has merely been alledged, this is very serious. GwenShamblinRepresentative - GwenShamblinRepresentative 18:20, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
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Physical appearance of Michael Jackson – Resolved. – 22:59, 26 July 2007 (UTC) |
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Physical appearance of Michael JacksonI have removed the "Weight" section from Physical appearance of Michael Jackson. It was unsourced, controversial, potentially libelous, and appears to be original research. (See the first sentence). The diff can be found here. Although unrelated, it also uses weasel words. Cool Bluetalk to me 20:55, 13 June 2007 (UTC) |
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