Talk:Biological uplift
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In A Fire Upon the Deep, the standard ship databases contain software for increasing a civilization's technological level without the civilization having to go through trial and error discoveries in between. This allows the Tines to skip directly to building cannon and radio, when they were at a castle/bow and arrow level of technology previously.
- Omegatron 16:08, Jun 3, 2005 (UTC)
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[edit] Great Ape Trust
The Great Ape Trust is NOT an experiment in uplift. This is "biological" uplift, not "cultural" uplift. In the Great Ape Trust, there is no attempt to alter the biological (e.g. genetic) structure of the apes. I plan to remove all references to the Great Ape Trust if no one objects. Samw 12:56, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
- The article covers both types, and should be moved to a more general name. - Omegatron 20:27, July 16, 2005 (UTC)
- How about moving the current article to "Uplift (science fiction)"? Samw 03:23, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
- I don't really see a reason for moving the content... Paranoid 09:11, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
- Then may I remove "Great Ape Trust". That's cultural uplift not biological. Science fiction distinguishes between "cultural contamination" and "uplift" where the species is physically changed, either genetically or via technological augmentation. Great Ape Trust is mostly a study and partly a cultural uplift where great apes are taught new things. Samw 23:40, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
- How about we move the references to cultural uplift to Cultural uplift? TomDS 13:03, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
- Then may I remove "Great Ape Trust". That's cultural uplift not biological. Science fiction distinguishes between "cultural contamination" and "uplift" where the species is physically changed, either genetically or via technological augmentation. Great Ape Trust is mostly a study and partly a cultural uplift where great apes are taught new things. Samw 23:40, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
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- If you have enough material for a separate article on cultural uplift by all means. As it stands, it's useful in the current article to scope the definition of biological uplift. Samw 16:39, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
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- After a quick search it appears there is enough information for a page on cultural uplift, however it would be incorrect to say that I have enough information. TomDS 18:08, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
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- Standard procedure on Wikipedia then is to keep adding material to the existing article (i.e. this one) until there's enough for the information to be split off into a separate article. Samw 04:27, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] Bootstrapping
I think that Bootstrapping (science fiction) should be merged with this article. It appears to be the same concept, only with different literary references.
- Bootstrapping appears to be cultural. This article is about physical changes to the organism so I think it merits the distinct article. Samw 01:15, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] 2001
Should there be a reference to Arthur C. Clarke's 2001? One of the key points of the book and the movie was that the Monolith builders uplifted humanity's ancestors into sentience
- I've added with a reference. Feel free to elaborate or cite more references. Samw 03:34, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Examples
The examples used in this article seem to be randomly selected and inserted by fans to provide exposure for books they like. If the idea is really notable, then notable examples that significantely expanded or promulagated the idea need to be identified, not simply every book that has something vaguely similar occur. My removal of 3 examples was reverted. Wikipedia is not papaer, but nor is it a collection of indiscriminate facts. If people just want to make the article into a list of books that have uplifted animals, such an article can be created. Naming a book and describing the animals in it contributes nothing understanding without context.Yobmod (talk) 07:58, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
- Point taken. Would you agree a list of books with uplift is useful? Perhaps we could convert that section into such a list with the hope that it will eventually be refactored into a separate article? (BTW, I didn't add that section originally; I just want to have as much information in Wikipedia as possible.) Samw (talk) 03:38, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
