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Contents 1 Welcome, Bilby! 2 Red Hand of Doom - Thanks 3 Adelaide Wikimeetup 3 4 Car Wars 5 Jeff Grubb 6 Notability (racquets) 7 D&D AfDs 8 That was nice 9 Darren M Jackson 10 List of D&D monsters 11 Musical instruments merger 12 Allison Sudradjat 13 Signpost updated for March 13th and 17th, 2008. 14 Signpost updated for March 24th, 2008. 15 Darren Jackson 16 Smile 17 Choi kwang do 18 artificial intelligence deletion 19 Signpost updated for March 31st, 2008. 20 Manga and Anime BarnSakura 21 Signpost updated for April 7th, 2008. 22 Manga and Anime sources for Belldandy 23 Fiend Folio 24 Harvard referencing 25 Signpost updated for April 14th, 2008. 26 Removing my password 27 Request for Arbitration? 28 Signpost updated for April 21st, 2008. 29 User: Quorty 30 There's no such thing as a "POD publisher" 31 Jahar Dasgupta 32 Mediation 33 WowWee 34 Hullo 34.1 Allison 35 Allison has been proded 36 Signpost updated for May 2nd and 9th, 2008. 37 Orphaned non-free media (Image:Belldandy (OVA).png) 38 Just to say hai 39 Signpost updated for May 12th, 2008. 40 RfA thanks! 41 Journal of Forensic Accounting 42 Many Thanks 43 Thanks... 44 Questia 45 Dresden Files 46 Club Penguin artical 47 Signpost updated for May 19th and 26th, 2008. 48 Tomboys 49 Carousel Theatre 50 Orphaned non-free media (Image:Belldandy (Manga) cropped - v1 p42.png) 51 Orphaned non-free media (Image:Belldandy (Manga) cropped - v29 p77.png) 52 Thank you 53 Eric W. Sawyer 54 Signpost updated for June 2, 2008.

[edit] Red Hand of Doom - Thanks

Thanks for your recent action on Red Hand of Doom. Very nicely done! --Smcmillan (talk) 01:24, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

No problems - it seemed notable to me, if only because it was a bit of a revival in D&D adventures - so I thought I should help if I can. I really need to play again. :) Bilby (talk) 01:34, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Adelaide Wikimeetup 3

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[edit] Car Wars

THANK YOU for all your work today on the Car Wars article! Web Warlock (talk) 15:25, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes, mucho kudos for your fine work with the references.  :) --Craw-daddy | T | 15:33, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks heaps - I used to own a copy of the game, even though I never got around to playing it, and I remember well the influence Car Wars and Ogre had on the industry. I'd hate to see it taken out of Wikipedia. Bilby (talk) 22:05, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Jeff Grubb

Hey, just wanted to say more good work on this article. Nicely written prose!  :) --Craw-daddy | T | 16:07, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. :) The language still feels a tad stilted for my taste, but hopefully that will clean up over time. Bilby (talk) 16:09, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Notability (racquets)

Thanks for inserting some humour into that discussion; I just hope Gavin takes it as such. SamBC(talk) 12:46, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

• I only half mean it as humour. (Ok, more than half). :) I honestly believe that Gavin is making good faith edits. I've had my doubts on and off, but in the end Gavin has been willing - and seemingly happy - to accept notability once established to his satisfaction. Which speaks highly of his motives, I think. I also believe that thinking about these issues - such as how to respond to questions of notability - is a good move for the community. Perhaps not on his talk page, though. However: if you accept the analogy that the books are essential to the game in the same way that sports equipment is essential to a sport, then you are also saying that the "game" is not the book - the book is simply a tool (essential or otherwise) for the game, and notability should be in terms of the game itself, not the tools.

Whether or not you accept the analogy is another issue. Bilby (talk) 13:07, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Indeed. I'm trying to make a couple of points to Gavin now, on his talk page because I'm trying to help him understand something, not force him to see something my way. I don't seem to be able to get past his defensiveness, though. *sigh*. SamBC(talk) 13:14, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

• I understand what you're doing, but it seems that the two stances are unlikely to change at the moment. Nevertheless, it is worth keeping in mind that a really solid line of argument has started to emerge. It may be enough to make a big difference to RPG Notability. Which must be a good thing. Bilby (talk) 13:23, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] D&D AfDs

I didn't intend to nominate any more today. I'll try and keep it slow, no more than a few an evening for the next few days. I'm trying to stick to the non controversial ones, but I'll bear in mind what you've said. J Milburn (talk) 23:08, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] That was nice

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		Awarded for showing up where needed and doing nice things. Cheers, Jack Merridew 13:45, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! I appreciate that - I was pleased that I could help out, and I've never had a barnstar before. :) Bilby (talk) 01:33, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

You are most welcome; want to take another stab here: Smile Foundation of Bali; I just added a Jakarta Post link for this one. FYI, it's a lame paper; a few years ago the Russian Embassy had an exhibit about Yuri Gagarin and the Jakarta Post ran a story referring to him as being the first man to land on the moon in 1961. Cheers, Jack Merridew 11:25, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

• That one looks a lot easier. :) I'll add it to my list and see what I can do. I have a personal interest in cranio-facial charities due to an old friend. - Bilby (talk) 12:13, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

  Cool. They posted another Jakarta Post article on their own site here; it has a bunch of typos, but I recall seeing the article in an actual copy of the paper (i.e not a hoax), but I can't find a copy on the paper's site. FWIW, I expect that some of the same karmic issues apply to these folks. Cheers, Jack Merridew 12:22, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Darren M Jackson

There is references to six fights on the article page, also other reliable sources. There is UKMMAC , MMA Universe, gangsets video showing Jackson Fight twice plus on DVD and Mark Epstein world title fight. Diamonddannyboy (talk) 12:32, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

• Comment If you believe the article to meet notability please look at other reference, please add a keep on th afd entry page. Thanks please reply Diamonddannyboy (talk) 13:53, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] List of D&D monsters

Hello, we've been busily working on how to make tables for a D&D monster list page, and could use your input at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Dungeons & Dragons#Negotiable concepts. BOZ (talk) 17:55, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Musical instruments merger

Best person to talk about that with is actually User:Guyinblack25, he is working on the Legend of Zelda (series) article in order to get it to GA status, and I have foreworded my sandbox with the references used in the deleted article to be used in making a Music section in the series article. So don't worry, nothing will be lost.Judgesurreal777 (talk) 19:55, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Allison Sudradjat

Well, User:Jack Merridew/Allison Sudradjat; this was deleted; I think it could be brought back. I just found the following link. See also; its talk page for another.

• Scholarships support emerging leaders in Indonesia and PNG - The Hon Stephen Smith MP, Minister for Foreign Affairs. www.foreignminister.gov.au. Retrieved on 2008-03-19.

Cheers, Jack Merridew 14:48, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Darren Jackson

Let me have your e-mail, and ill send them to you, thanks 23:20, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

I have sent them .Diamonddannyboy (talk) 23:42, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Mayalld is just being to silly aksing for citations when they have already been refed else where, im trying ref the citations, then when I did I removed the tag. Diamonddannyboy (talk) 13:31, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

• Comments I put all the references in about Dave Turton, Alan Charlton and Steve Morris because mayllad was saying that they wernt top uk martial artist, my refs proved they were. He is being very petty, so I thought id go over the top and cite every thing said.Diamonddannyboy (talk) 16:01, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Smile

Thanks, again. It looks very nice. Guess who I ran into a few hours ago and had lunch with. Mary. I showed her what you did and she is much impressed and asked me to express her thanks. I also showed her what the vandals did and she was appalled. Cheers, Jack Merridew 09:17, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

No problems - as mentioned I have a connection to David David and the Adelaide unit through a friend of mine, so I was even happier than normal to work on it. :) - Bilby (talk) 09:20, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

I've not met Dr. David. I did attend a dinner with Dr. Asmarajaya last year. Mary squirted a logo jpeg onto my flashdrive with the intent that I use it on the article. It's basically the same logo as used on the site, but without adjacent imagery. Can I just upload this and use it claiming fair-use? I think I will, but the rationale/licensing may need tweaking. Cheers, Jack Merridew 09:55, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

I only upload photos, but my understanding is that you can use logos on fair use. I've never met Dr. David, but my mother certainly knew him, and I suspect my brother does as well. However, my closest friend back in high school (so many years ago) had a cleft palette, and spent much of his life at the unit. - Bilby (talk) 10:00, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, I've seen some of his work, and it profoundly betters the lives of people. I just uploaded the logo and added it to the article. FYI, I just (and I mean while composing this note) got an SMS from Sang Ayu at Senang Hati; they're doing a theatrical performance on Thursday and I'm invited; I'll try and get a few nice pictures. Cheers, Jack Merridew 10:14, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

The logo looks great. It's a nice logo to begin with, and it works well on the page. Having a photo on Senang Hati would help a lot - I looked around for some, and there were a few, but nothing which would suit Wikipedia's requirements for fair use. Either way, I hope you enjoy the show. :) - Bilby (talk) 12:06, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

I think I have a pic of the Senang Hati Foundation building from a couple of years ago. The logo on the SH page was snagged off their site. It's not very large - or very good - and I will see if they can send me a larger one; I've seen it in color, too, on flyers. I can also ask for permission to use images from the site. Would my say-so that they said-so be acceptable? Nice clean-up on Belldandy. Cheers, Jack Merridew 12:21, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm not big on copyright law - my guess is yes, especially with a web-only logo, so it can't be reproduced in print, under the fair use provisions. The Belldandy thing is only a start - she's actually important academically, but the existing page is very in-universe and doesn't cover any of the significant aspects, as per much of the fannish material. Some of the readings on the magic girlfriend subgenre are fascinating, though. - Bilby (talk) 12:29, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

←I've just put a picture of the building they're in on the page; it took quite a while to upload it on this connection. I rotated it a bit to level it and cropped off a lot of bare ground in the foreground. This was from the first of I think two visits there. I have some others, but they aren't very good pics. My understanding of the logo use is that it's standard fair use. I was thing more of some of the artwork, which would certainly need permission. I will be sure to take some pics if I attend there show. FYI, my concern with the OMG stuff was always that it was all uncited fan stuff. If 'magical girfriend' is an academic subject (?) an article from that perspective is fine. It would seem that having challenged the old article has led to an appropriate one. Cheers, Jack Merridew 13:22, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

I have a similar problem with missing citations - academically, they're more than just a tad important. Indeed, one of the worst things you can do as an academic is fail to provide citations, although that is as much a problem with plagarism as with unsupported claims. I probably over-reference in Wikipedia terms, but it is easier to remove references than to add missing ones. I'm not too surprised with the magical girlfriend angle - the genre has been around for a while, but manga has brought it back into some focus, and there is a bit of research going on into it. It relates to issues such as depictions of sexuality, power structures and wish fulfillment, all of which interest academics. As Belldandy is one of the three or four really good examples of the genre, she gets discussed in the literature. That won't be the case for most other characters, though. While I remember, I haven't forgotten about Allison Sudradjat, either - naturally she was heavily covered in the news here, but it may take some work to find enough to counter the arguments at the AfD. - Bilby (talk) 13:35, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Choi kwang do

Thanks again, you have been so kind and im grateful to your help.Diamonddannyboy (talk) 11:51, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

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		for your kind work and understanding thank youDiamonddannyboy (talk) 11:53, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

• Comment Thanks again, Its makes me happy that you have helped me, I believe in karma, you do good things and good happens to you. 07:02, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

• No problem - it is always good to help out. :) - Bilby (talk) 09:24, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Could I ask your help again please, how do I find out who was the original author of the choi kwang do article or the kwang Jo choi article and shoul I link the two.Diamonddannyboy (talk) 07:16, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

• I'm not sure which articles you're referring to. If they're the ones from that CKD carry on their website from (I think) Combat Magazine and TKD magazine, you'll probably need to try and either track down the issues or check to see if their websites carry an index. In general it is better to get hold of the magazine so that you can make sure that the article says what it is claimed to say, although I doubt that this will be a major issue in this case. When desperate, I've been known to email the publishers and ask, or to contact people who I know have a copy, but I tend to try other avenues first. :) They would be very good references, though so they're worth some effort. - Bilby (talk) 09:24, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

• Comment

Need your help, I have copies of magazines, Rogue ninja has put it up for AFD as he did with the darren Jackson article, it all getting a bit personal, he is saying the art is not notable, it is, also said he will block me for downloading CKD logo, I have permission because I a cheif instrcutor in that art, why are they doing this ? It notable and good bit of work, why do a few editors gun for my work.Diamonddannyboy (talk) 10:43, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

• CKD Logo

Can you help uploading the CKD logo, or tell me where I am going wrong.--Diamonddannyboy (talk) 14:23, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

• • Logos are acceptable, but you need to follow some fairly tight rules when uploading them. It is covered at Wikipedia:Logos. In short, you can only use a logo in an article about the organisation or the logo itself (which means that it is ok in this case), low resolution versions only (upload a small image, not a big one), make sure you include the Template:Non-free logo, and when you add it to the page justify it using the Template:Logo fur instructions. The whole thing is rather long, but it should be ok to use the logo for that article. - Bilby (talk) 14:36, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

• CKD logo

It a bit beyond me at the moment, I think I will do more harm than good, is it possible to send you scan TKD magazine to prove that Choi kwang do was taught to Army Rangers at Fort Benning, it shows picture ect, 1996.

[edit] artificial intelligence deletion

Look at my comment [1], you can extend the article with other meanings and sources for them and improve the article enough tto save it, since you seem to like it --Enric Naval (talk) 15:15, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

• Thanks for that - it is much appreciated. I don't seem to think as well at 2am as I used to, so it is good that others can help me pick up on my errors. :) I don't like the article as such, and I wouldn't be horribly sorry to see it go, but I'm thinking that it would be good to have an article on Wikipedia about the term, given how surprised I was to see so many papers using it. It's one of those things where you see it used once or twice, but don't realise how common it has become. Anyway, I'll think about working on it - my main aim at the moment is to bring the Turing test article up to spec, but I should be able to spare a few hours to look into this topic and see if I can save it in a way that would make it genuinely valuable to the project. - Bilby (talk) 15:37, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Manga and Anime BarnSakura

	Manga and Anime BarnSakura I hereby award you this BarnSakura for your stunning contribution to the article Belldandy. Keep up the good work. -- Cat chi? 16:46, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

• Thanks for that! I was worried that I was doing the wrong thing to the article, but I feel much better about it now. - Bilby (talk) 23:56, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
  • I do not know if the sources you have covers the other characters in the anime but such imrpvement on those other articles are also welcome. -- Cat ^chi? 15:21, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
    • My aim at the moment is to see if Belldandy can become a GA (or even, if I dare hope, an FA), as that would make the article untouchable and avoid the mess you've been through before. My feeling is that there is enough to bring Keiichi up to GA, as he is of interest academically, if only as the other half of the magical girlfriend genre. Skuld and Urd are tricker - I can't see any problem establishing notability, but in the current climate probably not much more than that. I'll finish Belldandy and then see what can be done for them. - Bilby (talk) 17:43, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Manga and Anime sources for Belldandy

I noticed you need help with this. I have both and will assist. -- Cat ^chi? 11:22, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

What particularly needs to be sourced? -- Cat ^chi? 11:25, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Any help is much appreciated - especially if you can assist with referencing the manga. I'll be picking up copies next week, and I'm enjoying watching the series yet again, but it will take me a while to catch up. :) I plan to see what I can add to Skuld, Urd and Keiichi, but until I can buy more materials I'm probably done for Belldandy. - Bilby (talk) 12:16, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Fiend Folio

Thanks!  :) BOZ (talk) 13:43, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

No problem. :) I wanted to try and help with the list, but I've been a tad distracted by other things. Now that I'm finally rid of students for a week or two I figured I'd try to knock off one of the books. I'll try do at least a letter a day, and more when I can. - Bilby (talk) 11:07, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Great! I'm going to try to get them live by the weekend, but that shouldn't affect anything you'd want to do with them. BOZ (talk) 13:49, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

No problems - good to see them live, and you've done some great work. :) I'll keep working on the Fiend Folio - it will take a while, but I should be able to add all the descriptions and perhaps some cross-referencing. I'll also keep an eye out for potential mergers, although I suspect that you're already aware of them. I worry about other books (if I can) once this one is done. - Bilby (talk) 01:36, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Harvard referencing

I'm wondering if you're aware of {{Harvard citation}}? You use it with the normal {{Citation}} templates. Harvard isn't really recognised as a valid system on Wikipedia, although it is hidden in some style manuals as being a valid way to reference. Punk ekk was nearly delisted as a Good Article because it used Harvard, and I spent ages explaining to the editors there that Harvard was indeed valid... and then someone changed it to the "normal" style! :( IIRC, there's something in WP:CITE that says you shouldn't change an article's referencing system without consensus, so keep that in mind even as you dance with glee that Wikipedia can do Harvard citation.  ;) -Malkinann (talk) 07:55, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Removing my password

Cheers, I will make sure that every computer does not have my password Rhysydude (talk) 02:24, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

• The vandalism was only minor, but my guess is someone used a computer where you were automatically logged in, so that might be a wise thing to do just to stay safe. I wouldn't worry too much, though, as it seems decisions regarding vandalism take into account previous behaviour, and in this case it was very clear that it wasn't you. - Bilby (talk) 02:38, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Request for Arbitration?

I am alerting you that we are now considering a Request for Arbitration regarding him as an alternative to mediation, and would like your opinion on the matter. BOZ (talk) 13:55, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

I mentioned your request on the talk page, and I'll leave that up to the mediator to see if you, Ursasapien, and anyone who additionally wants to be added can in fact do so.  :) Please note that the mediator will probably be asking for a statement from each involved party. As a fairly calm, polite individual who tries to remain neutral, I think I'd welcome your input greatly! BOZ (talk) 12:43, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] User: Quorty

I more or less agree with Quorty's assessment of the self-publishers. What bugs me is the tone he takes in every dispute. Without much investigation, he slams every tool at his disposal at articles and users who work on them. Every user page request is mean-spirited, no one is ever given benefit of the doubt. I post now from my IP so I won't get beat up by him on my registered page -- in an hour or so there will be a marker put on the IP page showing where it's from and implying some kind of misdoing or accusing it outright.

Quorty is a very powerful user, and there's really nothing regular joes like me can do about his nonsense. Is there anything a higher end user like you can do? Or somebody, just to get him to dial it back a notch or two? It's not the Spanish Inquisition -- it's a bunch of people working for free on a community encyclopedia project. I know I'm super-discouraged from creating new and notable content just for dread of having to spend my time wrangling with him instead of actually working on Wikipedia. 72.241.98.90 (talk) 20:23, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm not a higher-end user or anything, so the best I can offer is general advice, which is what I also tend to seek when I'm stuck. :) First off, I agree that Qworty makes many good edits, and seems to be very good at removing a lot of the advertisements that get added by people wishing to increase sales of self-published books. But I also agree that his behavior can be problematic. There are a few things that can be done, from notifying admins of wikiquette problems, through to a RFC on the user, and culminating with a request for arbitration. Although I gather Qworty has been warned a few times by editors, my feeling is that it is still in the first category, and the best thing to do is to see if problems continue, and raise them at Wikiquette alerts if they do - which I have been thinking of doing based on comments in the RfDs. I'm going to wait for a day, though, just to see if things calm down a bit. - Bilby (talk) 06:42, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] There's no such thing as a "POD publisher"

POD is a technology. It is employed by traditional publishers, vanity presses, and self-publishing writers alike. Please stop misusing the term. Qworty (talk) 06:47, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

I accept that this is your view - however, I've also encountered the term in various articles and papers. I'm happy to stick with self-publishing companies, or other terms as much as possible. I also agree with you that POD is a technology, but it is possible for a company to be based around that technology as their core business model. - Bilby (talk) 06:57, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Their core business model is cheating people for "services" that individuals could more cheaply pay for on their own, e.g. charging people four times what a copyright costs. Qworty (talk) 07:06, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Maybe so, but that can't be said unless you can use reliable sources to back it up. - Bilby (talk) 07:10, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

It's simply a matter of referencing the link from the U.S. Copyright office and the links from the relevant AuthorHouse, Xlibris, iUniverse, Lulu etc. webpages. Let me know if or why you would oppose including such information. Qworty (talk) 07:20, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

If you draw together two different sources to reach a conclusion, for example the copyright office and the information on one of those pages, the best you are doing is OR. Wikipedia's nature is to report on reliable sources, not to draw conclusions from those sources, and to do so in a neutral fashion. - Bilby (talk) 07:25, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

That is great news! So you are now in favor of stripping all of the OR and non-neutral material out of the articles in question. Thank you. Qworty (talk) 07:33, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Anything original research should be sourced. If you see any original research (as I'm sure you will) Wikipedia policy allows it to be tagged and/or removed, depending on how big an issue it is. Note that this isn't the same as "unsourced" material, as per discussion at WP:OR. - Bilby (talk) 07:40, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Jahar Dasgupta

I unblocked him very quickly when I realized (as I of all people should) that having your own name as a username isn't inappropriate if you're not necessarily using it solely for promotional purposes. Daniel Case (talk) 14:29, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Mediation

I understand that you would like to join in the mediated discussion Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Kender. Please just sign your name under the agreement to mediate and check the talk page for venue discussion. Cheers! Vassyana (talk) 09:37, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks - I'll take care of that. I'm hoping I can help with the process. - Bilby (talk) 09:40, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] WowWee

Thanks for your note. To be honest, I didn't think you'd been rude at all, so you really didn't need to apologise. I've seen some very heated comments on other AfDsm which is probably why I didn't associate yours as being hostile! -- JediLofty ^{User ¦ Talk} 09:08, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

I know. I've always tried to keep a level head, but I do understand how hard it is when an article you've spent hours working on gets trampled over by the AfD process! -- JediLofty ^{User ¦ Talk} 13:29, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Hullo

Hi, I'm having lunch tomorrow with a friend who saw and appreciated your work. Cheers, User:Jack Merridew a.k.a. David 14:36, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Allison

Added a bit more… more like doubled the size of the article! Cheers, User:Jack Merridew a.k.a. David 13:44, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

I found some more references, and needed to expand things a bit to fit them in. Not sure if it is sufficient to guarantee notability, but it should be enough to help. I also kept most of what you'd written, as it was very good - I just wrote around it on the whole. (And I hope the lunch went well) :) - Bilby (talk) 13:46, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

I don't see notability as a real concern in this case. There are sources out there, now. Lunch was good; Vern has a good cook. He's just back from most of a year in Sydney, and doing well. I added a pic of the Smile Shop to Smile Foundation of Bali; I get a lot of used books there. Cheers, User:Jack Merridew a.k.a. David 13:54, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

I was a tad concerned if it went to AfD, but not overly. The main article I wanted was the Jakarta Post, which doesn't say much but established notability prior to the crash. The rest were just 'cause they were there, and I figured she could do with some extra background info. I saw the pic - it's good. :) - Bilby (talk) 14:00, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

You saw that it went through a DRV? Note Brad's comment. I'll take another look at Allison tomorrow and see what else I can find/use. Cheers. User:Jack Merridew a.k.a. David 14:21, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Allison has been proded

Allison Sudradjat; I linked the DRV and believe a prod is invalid at this point. The ironic thing is, I'm the one that's supposed to be a harasser. see also; I Ketut Soki. Cheers, User:Jack Merridew a.k.a. David 11:18, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Journal of Forensic Accounting

Hey -- I noticed your edit on the userified Journal of Forensic Accounting Page -- did that addition signify that you think the article in its current version falls under that category? If so, what do you think can be done? Thanks! Jheiv (talk) 05:41, 22 May 2008 (UTC) (Regarding your Soapbox comment, not the great reference you found! :-) ) Jheiv (talk) 05:43, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi! I'm not sure what soapbox comment you're referring to: I added a couple of refs to the userfied version for you (mostly the ABDC one, which should be better that ANU, and can be explained at AfD if it goes there). Unless you mean the "It may be too trivial", in which case that's my fault for wording it badly. The reference may be too trivial. Not the journal. (One of the rules for notability is that trivial mentions don't count towards notability, but they can still be used as refs). Personally, I think the article should be ok. The issue is whether or not the journal is sufficiently notable to survive AfD (not CSD, which it shouldn't have a problem with). The only relevant guidelines that I can think of are Wikipedia:Notability (serial works) and Wikipedia:Notability (books). The former has nothing to say about academic journals, while the latter really comes down to whether or not it is widely cited, and whether or not it is significant for the field. Which, as far as I can tell, it is. :) - Bilby (talk) 06:09, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Sorry Bilby, it just looked like you added a soapbox link -- but after looking at it I think it was just a bug w WP's difference script. Thanks for the links and all the help, as with anything it seems that with enough people, you will have a wide gamut of experiences -- thanks for being one of the most helpful ones! Jheiv (talk) 23:23, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks again for your support and insight. I wonder if some sort of quantifiable metric would be of some use for determining notability in academic periodicals. I've seen similar standards on other topics on WP. Anyway, I appreciate you taking your time out to add valuable input.Jheiv (talk) 10:39, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

• No problems. I hope that the article is kept, as I've done more research since then and feel better about it, but I guess we'll see what the consensus turns out to be. I missed that Ulrich's data was from 2005, though - I'm glad you picked up that one. It is a good AfD debate so far - DGG had some really good things to say, and it has been pleasantly reasoned and reasonable, which isn't always something you see at AfD. :) - Bilby (talk) 12:18, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Many Thanks

Many thanks for your thoughtful response in defense of my (very first!) submission to Wikipidia (an article on Connie Clausen). I'm a newbie to Wikipedia and I'm discovering that there's a great community of "Wikipedians" out there! Sangroncito (talk) 00:20, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Actually, I'm grateful to you - I hadn't heard of her before, but I really enjoyed reading up on her. It was a lot of fun. :) Either way, no problems - I'm glad that I could help. - Bilby (talk) 00:23, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks...

for your positive feedback and support during my RFA. I hope to live up to it and all the other kind comments received! --Slp1 (talk) 21:50, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Questia

Hi there. I replied to your email so you have my address now. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 02:39, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

• Got it. I'll email you the chapters as soon as I get home. :) - Bilby (talk) 02:41, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Dresden Files

Thanks for your comments, I think that it should be much easier to get the reference points for these individual pages. Any suggestions or comments would be appreciated !

--SirGeek CSP (talk) 02:37, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

I'll do that soon. Right now I think its good to get things "split out" into their own articles. What I'll have to do is grab the books and use those for reference if that "allowed" "In Dead Beat, Page #xxx" for example. --SirGeek CSP (talk) 05:27, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Question, How can I edit the bibliography part of The Dresden Files main page ? - SirGeek CSP (talk) 06:04, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm actually referring to this [[2]] part Where it lists all the books and the ISBN's, etc. I moved some of the books and I'd like to correct that table too. SirGeek CSP (talk) 06:16, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I've fixed up the links in there to point to the modified titles. SirGeek CSP (talk) 03:56, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Club Penguin artical

After your comments on the talk page, I have addded a screenshot of the Club Penguin Town. I hope you like it. :-) --Vinni3 (talk) 19:03, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Carousel Theatre

Thanks for your edits and improvements to this article! Carole Higgins (talk) 04:29, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

• No hassles - I was glad to help. There's a couple of books which might help you, if you're in a position to track them down - York University's Canada on Stage might have something (not much, but there is at least a couple of mentions), and Eugene Benson's The Oxford Companion to Canadian Theatre has something. Both are only visible on snippet view in Google books, though, so they might not have much to speak of - it is hard to tell. There's also A mirror of our dreams: children and the theatre in Canada, but that's even harder to tell if it is of any use. At any rate, I've learned not to predict the outcomes of AfDs, but my guess is that they wouldn't really be needed at the moment, as their content probably isn't enough to make a difference one way or the other, but they're there is you need them. - Bilby (talk) 04:51, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Eric W. Sawyer

You write well, your content choice and prose are both excellent. --Blechnic (talk) 00:43, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

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