Talk:Bill Tilden

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--Inappropriate subheading-- "Prison terms" is an inaccurate subheading. The section is not primarily about prison terms, as indeed Tilden was incarcerated for surprisingly short periods. His pedophilia is a "given" as anyone who has read Deford's biography is aware. I attempted to correct the subheading to "Arrests for Pedophilia" and added information from DeFord's biography clarifying his last incarceration, but someone removed it. soverman 06:45 (UTC) 10/02/06

    • He was sentenced to a year in prison and served 7 1/2 months.
    • He was arrested again on Jan. 28, 1949, after picking up a 16-year-old hitchhiker and making advances. The new charge could have been prosecuted as a felony, but the judge merely sentenced Tilden to a year on his probation violation and let the punishment for the new molesting charge run concurrently. He served 10 months
    • If you had bothered to read the above two paragraphs, you would have seen that the length of the terms served were already there. You simply added the same info again. Hayford Peirce 18:58, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
    • There's a brilliant quote about Tilden - "He wasn't a homosexual. No way. He just liked young boys" - I'm paraphrasing. I'll try to find it somewhere. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.189.236.142 (talk) 16:22, 26 November 2007 (UTC)


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[edit] Bowers's statistics against Kramer's

        • I prefer Bowers's statistics to Kramer's : in his 1934 report Bowers wrote THE FIRST TILDEN-VINES TOUR ... Thus Ellsworth Vines became the winner of the initial transcontinental tour, 11 matches to 9 while Kramer asserted that Tilden won this first short tour.
        • All the statistics giving a 51-7 tally between Budge and Tilden in 1941 do not take into account the fact that John Nogrady played 7 times instead of Tilden who had injured a leg in a car accident.

McCauley wrote in his 1941 report : According to Al Ennis, the tour's advance and publicity man, the final engagement in Birmingham on May 10 brought the tour's performances to 61, a number closely consistent with all other solid information. Hardwick won three times (Boston, Phoenix, and Columbus, Ohio), so that the final count of victories was 58-3 in Marble's favor. My tally of documented outcomes shows Budge ahead of Tilden, 43-5 in matches won plus one tie. (Tilden won in Detroit, Fort Worth, Dallas, Memphis, and Maywood-Chicago.) There were also 7 cases where Nogrady played instead of Bill and another 5 cases where scores are unknown. If we accept the general understanding that Tilden won a total of seven times, then the final tally would have to be 46-7-1, Budge over Tilden.

Carlo Colussi 11:35, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Tilden/Nabakov connection

I don't know if it's worth adding (there's no trivia section, and perhaps rightly so), but Vladimir Nabakov gave the name Ned Litam to the tennis coach Humber Humbert picks for Lolita in the novel of the same name - i.e., an anagram (is that the word?) of Ma Tilden, which was Big Bill's other nickname. PiCo 16:35, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Very, very bad article

This article is obviously somebody's term paper. It contains no references and is filled with opinions, unsourced assertions and plain gossip and hearsay too numerous to list. Tilden is important and deserves to be an article, but not this one. I've attached the appropriate tags. Please, whoever wrote it, provide sources and cut the POV. — J M Rice 16:10, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

If you check out the version at http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Bill_Tilden you'll see how the article was originally written -- before imbeciles dumbed it down to what now appears to be the standard third-grade Wikipedia reading level for its users. 71.198.106.106 16:56, 18 July 2007 (UTC)


[edit] pedophilia convictions vs. ephebophilia

SatyrTN, why did you revert my chapter heading correction? The original chapter heading is doubly wrong, firstly because pedophilia isn't a legal term, so he couldn't have been "convicted" of it (indeed, the correct names of the offenses are mentioned in the chapter), secondly - and more importantly - because Tilden was an ephebophile, not a pedophile. (84.178.45.125 (talk) 05:06, 11 March 2008 (UTC))