Talk:Bill Sizemore

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Contents 1 Clean up 2 NPOV tag 3 Biographical info 4 PARTIALLY or MOSTLY overruled 5 Measure 42 Section 6 sources for expansion 7 Image

[edit] Clean up

I am in the process of cleaning this article up and adding to it.-Davidpdx 09/04/05

The clean up process has been finished. If there are any additional things please feel free to add them. Davidpdx 09/05/05

[edit] NPOV tag

Why was this added? --Liface 15:58, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Since there is no still no explantation as to what is POV, I will remove the tag. If whoever added it sees an NPOV problem, feel free to replace, but please explain here so other editors can work on any issues. Thanks. 24.20.69.240 03:11, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

October 7, 2006 - I'd like to know why this article states that Bill Sizemore ran several "unsuccessful" businesses. This is not a fact. Provide your source for this information or correct it.

[edit] Biographical info

--devashanti I have the following information to add. It can be verified. I have valid information about Bill Sizemore and want to contribute to this section.

He is the eldest of four children. Bill graduated from Montesano High School in 1969. He was voted the best defensive player and most inspirational player by his teammates on the varsity basketball team. While attending school in Washington, he worked on a dairy farm milking cows and bucking hay. He also worked at a farmers' co-op and a local plywood mill.

In 1972, Bill Sizemore moved to Portland, Oregon, where he graduated from Portland Bible College, working his way through school painting houses. After college, he taught at Portland Bible College for two years, then ran several businesses, including a painting and remodeling business, three retail carpet stores, a toy manufacturing and distribution business, a petition signature gathering business, and a polling company. Bill was also a a radio show host for four years in the Portland market.

[edit] PARTIALLY or MOSTLY overruled

I am putting the NPOV tag back. When a dominate author of the article (Peteforsyth) states "Specifics would be helpful; tweaking POV is not." to justify a revert back to an opposing POV he is opening admitting that the article is not NPOV.

For now I will put that both sides claim victory on appeal. If Peteforsyth wishes to revert to partially overruled, "Specifics would be helpful". If anyone whishes to revert to mostly overruled, may I suggest a summary of footnote 8.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.168.196.209 (talk • contribs) 18:19, June 21, 2007

Thanks for bringing this to the talk page, I think it's well worth discussing. My opinion is that "partially" is not particularly biased; the word does not imply a "small" or "large" part. "Mostly," however, is a judgment on how big the part was, and I honestly don't know how accurate it is. I think the best solution would be to clarify in specific terms what parts were upheld, and what parts were overruled; I have looked around for sources that clarify that, and come up short. I suppose a close reading of the ruling would help, but I haven't done that yet. I agree that stating that both sides "claimed victory" might be useful. -Pete 19:25, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

I found this article and editorial (both from The Oregonian.) Both describe the claims of victory of both sides; I think they will make good sources for editing this section and removing any POV concerns. -Pete 01:44, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

This OPB story might be helpful as well: http://www.opb.org/radio/archives/2006/10/ -Pete 17:15, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Measure 42 Section

I just removed the Measure 42 section from the article (the anonymous IP is me). For one, the section isn't really relevant to the article since measures usually have their own articles. But more than that, the section is intensely POV. Spending 2/3 of the paragraph on essentially accusing "out-of-state sources" of defeating a "consumer-oriented" measure using only Sizemore's credibility (or lack thereof) is not encyclopedic by any standards. - Pingveno ( talk | contrib ) 18:15, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for bringing this up. I'm the one that originally wrote that section. I'm puzzled by your reading - to be honest, I'm not sure what point of view you think it pushes. Press coverage of the campaign that was critical of the measure noted these aspects of the campaign, and I also recall an extensive interview with Sizemore (on OPB radio) in which he expressed frustration that the opposing campaign chose to vilify him as a person rather than address the issue on its merits. (I happen to have a POV about Sizemore - I think his actions have been terribly destructive to the state - but I've tried hard to avoid letting them affect my editing of the article.)

I will leave your reversion for now, but when I have time I'll try to track down a recording or transcript of that interview, and maybe update the text to address your concerns. It will be tough though unless you comment in greater detail, because I don't really understand what your concerns are.

-Pete 02:50, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] sources for expansion

Ashbel S. Green. "Sizemore's scorecard: Since Sizemore took over…", The Oregonian, September 6, 1996. 

"A man who rules by referendum.(USA)", The Christian Science Monitor, October 20, 2000. 

[edit] Image

Is this infobox broken? I uploaded Image:Bill Sizemore.jpg to Commons, and added it to the infobox, but it's not showing up. Anybody got a guess? -Pete (talk) 05:47, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

It looks like the infobox politician documentation isn't quite accurate. I figured it out by looking at the redirected template code. —EncMstr (talk) 06:00, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks!! for the quick fix. (How did you go about "looking at the redirected template code"?) -Pete (talk) 06:48, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

While editing the article, find the Infobox Politician entry in the list of templates, and open it. Infobox Politician is a redirect to Infobox Candidate or something. Then "edit this page" (for admins) or "view source" (for others). Then it gets tricky.... —EncMstr (talk) 08:38, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Well that makes sense...thanks. -Pete (talk) 15:09, 21 May 2008 (UTC)