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Contents 1 Bob Grant? 2 Negative Slant? 3 Photo 4 So-Called Cunningham/Dennison Fight--Need Help 5 Controversy

[edit] Bob Grant?

I have edited this article to take out the phrase "...but are quick to point out that Grant is entertaining and much more worldly. Cincinnati just is not New York City" which was previously placed after the current sentence "Many radio fans have commented that his show is similar to the legendary Bob Grant's." The phrase that was taken out is not unbiased, and I'm not sure what place it has in the article. In addition, I don't know who Bob Grant is, as there is no link or explanation, but I reluctantly left it in even though I think the whole sentence should be taken out or edited.

Actually, I'm just going to take out the whole "Bob Grant" sentence, since he's not a "legend", as most people, myself included, have never heard of him, there is no link, and I don't care to find out who he is. Hopefully, the idiot that edited this page originally doesn't come back and try to change the sentence. - Timothy Swartz

[edit] Negative Slant?

Would it be better to modify this article by splitting it into sections? I'll likely make the edits myself, but I at least wanted to provide an explanation here. There seems to be a lot of focus on the controversial aspect of Cunningham's show. The points are certainly valid and definitely worth including. At the same time, it might benefit the article to include the motive of his tone, which is specifically, advocating conservatism. Additionally, Cunningham's points are usually rationalized in what could be considered an epilogue or summary at the end of his daily topics, particularly when the topic involves national or local politics.

Hopefully I'm not making too much of this, but I suppose what I'm getting at, is that Cunningham often justifies (or at least clarifies) his rants at the conclusion of his on-air discussions. Just would be nice to see a more "balanced" article.

[edit] Photo

Here is photo of Cunningham for this article. Original source cited here: Cincinnati Enquirer, Talk radio: Voice of the combative man - May 6,2001

Photo: http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2001/05/06/cunningham.jpg

[edit] So-Called Cunningham/Dennison Fight--Need Help

Okay, here's the deal. This is a joke. It has happened so many times before. Every time Willie gets ready to go on vacation, something like this happens. How many times has Helen May (owner of Clear Channel) "fired" Willie on the air? As an eight-year Northern KY/Cincinnati resident, I assure you this whole Cunningham/Dennison thing is something to laugh at. It is just a ratings ploy and we all "know" it (or those who have listened long enough--anybody remember when Wally Whatshisname in California supposedly broke some rock DJ's leg or whatever on the air?). Nobody I know who has an iota of intelligence believes it for a second. However, I can offer no proof, and will not edit the article. But, I ask fellow Cincinnatians out there if they have valid sources to back up the fact that this is all nonsense and is part of a running series of gags that Willie continually plays. Part of a joke that WLW and Daryl Parks play along with by putting an "apology" on their website. Anybody...? Sir Rhosis 19:07, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Controversy

There should be a mention of his 1/6/08 show where he referred to Barack Hussein Obama as "Barack Mohammed Hussein Obama" repeatedly and again made further false claims about his parents background and about his schooling. HotOne121 (talk) 06:57, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

• I agree, but you must add a second-party citation, as I've noted on the page. Just saying "He said it on a certain date on his show," doesn't cut it. In addition, I've removed the line "All of this is false." Please provide the cite asked for to prove it is false. This is nothing against you, personally, it is Wikipedia policy. Prove it or lose it, as they say. Sir Rhosis (talk) 07:26, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

The edit I made on the actual article page was just a deletion of some vandalism telling people that Barrack Obama is a Muslim and a black racist "look it up, google it," etc. It was lacking the citation before I did anything. As for his Obama's "full name" there are many websites that have the story just none that I would use as a reliable source on Wikipedia. That is why I was hoping someone else could find something more reliable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by HotOne121 (talk • contribs) 15:08, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Eh I'd leave all that stuff alone. I'm a conservative, who in fact can't stand Bill Cunningham, but addressing that about his 1/6/08 show is just a little bit too much. Also, I'm going to remove the bit that someone just added today about how Cunningham was "pandering to xenophobic sentiments". a) Where's the source for that? b) that is suggesting that people at the rally in support of McCain are xenophobic, and c) saying that Barack will saddle up next to Hezbollah, Kim John Il, Ahmidinejad, etc. isn't xenophobic. People strongly dislike those people/organizations for many many reasons other than xenophobia. Making that statement about Obama may have had its reasons, but xenophobia isn't one of them. In addition, the whole line "crassly pandered to xenophobic sentiments" is in fact making four POV assumptions: he was speaking CRASSLY, he PANDERED to a certain group, the group was XENOPHOBIC, and the crowd as a whole had that SENTIMENT." It's just a lot more neutral with the simple world 'spoke'.-Brad Kgj08 (talk) 21:51, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

As much as I personally agree with the "pandering to xenophobic sentiments" line, it sounds like POV to me. Here is a vote against it. 98.215.54.162 (talk) 04:11, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

I again took out the line about xenophobia. The whole story doesn't even have a source. If the entire story doesn't really belong because it doesn't have a source, I don't see why the editorial line about xenophobia should be included without a source. I personally disagree with calling him Barack Hussein Obama. I think it is a cheap shot. But it's very debatable as to whether or not that is a form of xenophobia or not. Cunningham may be playing on fear, but he's not playing on a fear of foreigners, he's playing on a fear of an evil man who murdered thousands. The fact that Saddam Hussein was an evil man (that scared a lot of people) has nothing to do with him being a foreigner. In other words, people mention his middle name because of its association to an evil man, not to any particular group of foreign people. That line should be left out. The reasons for not making a special point of Barack Obama'a middle name should be obvious enough to the reader. -Brad Kgj08 (talk) 05:14, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

We need to closely follow the WP:BLP policy. If it is unsourced or poorly sourced and it is a negative statement, it needs to be removed immediately and without discussion. Only fully cited negative statements are allowed per the Biography of Living Persons policy. Cheers.--Burzum (talk) 15:10, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Missing from the article in general (and the Obama flap in particular) is the tongue-in-cheek nature of Cunningham's humor. Style wise, he's actually closer to Adam Carolla than Rush Limbaugh. Conservatives aren't usually associated with satire, which is why people often don't realize when Cunningham is having fun—and I'll bet he's having the time of his life right now, e.g. he's now endorsed Hillary Clinton over John "Juan Pablo" McCain. If anyone can dig up some good sources about Cunningham's humor, they're needed. —Kevin Myers 15:38, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

This is an encyclopedia. I can find no reference for the following statement: "Cunningham maintains privately that he, 'cannot see how this isn't funny.'" (Regarding the death of Nathniel Jones) I have followed the policy outlined above. "Only fully cited negative statements are allowed per the Biography of Living Persons policy."Mwinog2777 (talk) 05:38, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

A nefarious vandal stole the handle, and took out my edit. Not playing by rules of Wikipedia. This is an unsourced negative statement in the bio of a living person.Mwinog2777 (talk) 05:52, 4 March 2008 (UTC)