Talk:Bildungsroman examples (pre-1930)

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[edit] baffling film/book organizational structure

Why is it that the book/novel examples were split out from the main article, and then excised, while the films (many of which are not good examples) are left in as the primary examples? If anything, this should be reversed, but I'm more inclined to re-include bildungsroman examples from books and films that can be cited as such in this article, and redirect the two book articles here. Please comment or note any objections to such a course of action, preferrably on Talk:Bildungsroman for coherent discussion purposes. -- nae'blis 17:42, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Overly loose characterization of Bildungsromane

We're characterizing Bildungsromane entirely too loosely in this list. It might be a good idea to trim the list to actual Bildungsromane - that is, books concerned with the self-cultivation of individuals and their eventual acceptance (or rejection) of a place in society. Now, we can make a case for a good number of books not traditionally considered Bildungsromane; the Proust fits, as do the Flaubert and the Fielding (barely). On the other hand, Effi Briest and the Stendhal selections are brilliant novels, but don't fit the Bildungsroman paradigm in the same way as, say, a Wilhelm Meister or a Grüne Heinrich. Törless takes place in a school, but even it's too concentrated in its focus to have the real sweep of a true Bildungsroman. If we insist Bildungsromane are simply "novels of development," just about anything could make it onto the list - which would then become too diffuse to be useful at all. Why don't we keep it to authentic novels of self-cultivation, which - after all - is what Bildungsromane are? What is the Wizard of Oz doing here? Hubacelgrand 03:46, 5 October 2007 (UTC)