Talk:Biker
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[edit] Re-write
I think that the word gang is a name placed on clubs by the goverment,cops,newspapers and motorcycle clubs should be refered to as just that motorcycle clubs,,NOT! gangs
I've been slowly neutralizing the term to reflect this- James
[edit] Don't merge
I disagree that Biker should be merged with motorcycle gang. Motorcycle gangs are composed of bikers, but not all bikers are gang members. For example Jesse G. James and Indian Larry are/were bikers, but did not belong to motorcycle gangs. --Great Scott 14:55, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Don't merge
All motorcycle gang members are bikers but not all bikers are members of a motorcycle gang. It's that simple. --War 07:56, 24 May 2005 (UTC) But take a close look at jesse james he will routinely wear hells angel's support shirts
The above (unsigned) response is irrelevent. Wearing a baseball cap doesn't make someone a baseball player...nor does it exclude the possibility. No conclusions can be draw from what Jesse James (who, by the way, very rarely rides motorcycles) does or does not wear. War 13:23, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Don't merge
In Australia there is a clear distinction between bikers and bikies: bikies are members of a motorcycle gang; bikers are not. Again, don't merge. --Milesli 21:05, 6 June 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Wiki Getting Biased
On this page, and for that mattter EVERY page associated with outlaw bikers, Wiki has referenced the Harley Davidson motorcycle. And now wiki wants to merge pages that describe the stereotypical "biker" with "outlaw biker"? If you dont see the bias here, get out of your toyota or off your suzuki and ride a mile in my boots. Tom S.
[edit] Minor Error Corrections
As with the page for "Outlaw Biker" I am removing the false statement regarding outlaws on Harleys and/or British or American bikes. Outlaw bikers have been known to use ANY sort of bike they can get their hands on and customize, even dirt bikes. The only thing that seems to matter is that it has two wheels. They have no brand loyalty to Harley or Triumph (the two leading American and British brands), and in fact have been tending recently towards Japanese bikes due to the lower cost and reputation for greater dependability. They DO, however seem to prefer heavy "cruiser"-type bikes, so I will put that in there. Additionally, "motorcycle" was mispelled. Tom S.
I'm not sure where you got your information. However regarding "outlaw bikers" (ones that would be classified as 1%ers) are very loyal in their brands. In the United States, it's Harley Davidson, in the U.K. it's Triumph.
Actually, it's far more complicated. Many 1% motorcycle club require, as a condition of membership, the ownership of a Harley-Davidson motorcycle. In the US this means that nearly every 1% you see will be riding, exclusively, H.D. motorcycles. In the U.K. there is a passion for Triumph and many 1%ers will ride them but they often are still required to own a H.D...even if it just sits in the garage. This wierd situation is exactly why Sunny Barger has been pushing for years that the Hells Angels loosed the H.D. ownership requirement that they have. War 13:30, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Don't merge, expand
To add my tuppence, the Biker subculture is much wider and richer than just outlaws and gangs, though these are a part of it. Hopefully someone with a solid knowledge will expand on this.
Motorcycle gang and Outlaw motorcycle club could be merged together but I think there's enough potential for expansion to keep the Outlaw aspect seperate from Bikers in general.
I might expand Biker myself but it's been a few years since I was deeply involved. the Motorcycle Action Group might be a good starting point UK-wise as they represent the classic greasy biker amongst other stereotypes. Or at least they did in the mid 1990s.
Peteashton 23:30, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
[edit] weird comment
k.. I got rid of the little weird intro comment thing (not suitable for an encyclopaedia at the very least). I think the article makes the distinction between a law abiding biker and and outlaw biker simply by having the section title "motorcycle gang" above were it talks about outlaws. IMO this whole series of artiles needs sorting: the article the user who put the comment at the top wants should be at motorcyclist, the stuff about outlaw bikers and one percenters should be at one or other of those two pages and this page, Biker should disambig between the two. If I find time I'll get my copy of Hunter S. Thompson's book Hell's Angels, make an account, and do the work I've proposed here.
[edit] Riding Club
Anyone want to take a stab at re-writing that paragraph? It just doesn't seem to fit, and is quite off in the description.
[edit] Motorcycle Gang and Outlaw Motorcycle Club
Though the opening paragraphs more or less accurately describe bikers, the sections on gangs and OMCs are filled with half truths, other inaccuracies and many unsourced statements. The recently revised article on motorcycle clubs is far more accurate in that respect. I therefore recommend removing those sections from this article and simply providing a link to the MC article. Thoughts? Suggestions? Mmoyer 02:05, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Link to Outlaw Biker World
Outlaw Biker World is a website that has news articles (and More) for the Motorcycle/Outlaw community. I feel a link to it from this page is appropriate. The link is http://www.obworld.com: [1]
Chopperguy 21:04, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Unreferenced
Okay folks, let's go to work. This article needs some references and major cleanup. Alternatively, it could joust point to Wiktionary for a simple definintion, per Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not a dictionary. Thoughts? Ideas? Mmoyer 18:15, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Now a disambiguation page
This article has been full of innuendo, half-truths, and various unsubstantiated material, and has been tagged as such for well over a month without being addressed. I changed it to a disambiguation page to point to two articles that meet Wikipedias quality standards. Mmoyer 02:11, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
