Talk:Bijou Phillips

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[edit] Calvin Klein ad controversy

Worth discussing the Calvin Klein ad controversy? Sodfijd 19:26, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] CSI

Is it worth mentioning her small guest role on "CSI: Crime Scene Investigation" in the episode: "Kiss Kiss, Bye Bye"? Imidazolidinyl 20:31, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Socialite or not?

To the editor(s) from various anonIPs who keep adding "socialite" to her lead paragraph—did you even read the article you linked to? "A socialite is a person of social prominence who spends significant resources entertaining and being entertained but is not ... a professional entertainer." A quick check of the Google News Archive finds her mentioned with other people described as socialites, yet she is always described as something else (actress, model, etc). So unless you can find some really great references that call her a socialite (like Time magazine or the SF Chronicle or something like that) it's pretty much just WP:OR. Precious Roy 00:04, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Following a report of edit warring by an anon-ip on AN3, I semi-protected the article for 48 hours. Spartaz Humbug! 18:56, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Okay first of all what is Paris Hilton. She is a actress, model, singer(entertainer) etc... so how is she a socialite. as you said, someone of social prominence. what in the world do you think Bijou is...and who do u think u r going and changing an entire article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bijoucrazy (talk • contribs) 21:09, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

A big difference between Hilton + Phillips is that you could easily find dozens of articles in major magazines and newspapers that call Hilton a socialite. Another one is that Paris' acting, singing, etc. all came after she became "famous for being famous". Phillips was modelling in her mid-teens, and, at this point has enough acting credits for it to be considered a career, and actually toured as a performing musician (none of which could be applied to Hilton)—there are some major differences. Certainly Phillips' famous family (and their money) must've opened doors for her, but she seems to have worked for most of what she's accomplished.
Being a socialite entails more than being someone of social prominence. If that were true, you could apply the term to any celebrity, even politicians—do you think Hilary Clinton is a socialite? As for my copy editing of the article, I didn't "change an entire article". You really should read WP:OWN if you dislike someone coming in and changing "your" article. If you have specific problems with something I added (or removed) please list your grievances here and I promise to address them. Precious Roy 21:22, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

If you put in the name Bijou Phillips with the word socialite you'll find plenty of articles calling Bijou Phillips a socialite. And explain why they call Nicole Richie, Nicky Hilton, and Kimberly Stewart socailites then... and if u didn't change Bijou's porfile who did. because the article was very in depth on her personal life and now that's gone. because oh i guess u don't like it. and my accomplant is that you need to just put socialite(which she is) on the leading paragraph. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bijoucrazy (talk • contribs) 23:36, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Three more people that are famous for being famous more than anything else, and were celebrities before they did anything, I'm a little confused how you don't see the difference. And I didn't say I didn't change anything about the article—I didn't, however, as you put it, "change an entire article". The so-called "personal life" section was a) almost entirely unreferenced and b) unencyclopedic. A list of boys she's been "linked to" and who she's "been seen partying with" belongs in a People magazine profile, not on Wikipedia. As I said before, if you can come up with one good reference that calls her a socialite, I'd be happy to add it to the article. As long as it's from reliable source. Not a blog or celeb gossip website. A Google news archive search for Bijou Phillips + socialite, as I stated above, turns up no articles where Phillips is called a socialite—it's all things like "Socialite Nicky Hilton and actress Bijou Phillips" and "Socialite Nicky Hilton and wild-child actress Bijou Phillips" (and only 38 articles, at that). Precious Roy 01:17, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

you talk about being famous for being famous...well so was Bijou and you need to use yahoo instead of google. and all of those "guys" were an important part of why she was a wildchild. u erased it and u know it. me and other fans didn't work so hard on making this the best article for u that probably know nothing about her is trying to take contol. go to yahoo and type her name with socialite and tell me what u see. oh here's a website for as well www.who2.com/bijouphillips.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bijoucrazy (talk • contribs) 01:48, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a place for fans to create articles filled with unreferenced gossip about their favorite celebrities. Please re-read WP:RS; who2.com is not a reliable source. Precious Roy 11:26, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
To humor you, I just went through the first 7 pages of yahoo results and didn't see anything other than a lot of celebrity-watcher/gossip sites that called her a socialite. Not a single one of the results from reliable sources (The Guardian, New York, USA Today, UPI, not even Radar) called her that. Not that they qualify as reliable sources, but not even Gawker Media's Defamer and Gawker.com call her one. And socialitelife.com (another unreliable source) has the #3 result in the search (behind the Wikipedia article and answers.com's mirror of the celebaday.com profile) which says "Bijou Phillips (never a socialite and never will be)". Precious Roy 11:51, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

It doesn't matter what the website is because TIME has gotten many of things completely wrong. And why don't u find me an article that says Kimberly or Nicole are socialites. U trying to put blocks on things who do u think u r. And that little website u went if u would have read carefully would have said hate bijou website. u can't deny someone of what they r which Bijou is a socialie so just get a life. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bijoucrazy (talk • contribs) 16:08, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

You need to familiarize yourself with WP:CIVIL and WP:NPA, because there's no need for personal attacks just because we disagree. It actually does matter what the website is. If the information doesn't come from a verifiable and reliable source, it can be removed without question (particularly in the case of a living person). If you think Phillips is a socialite, that's original research, which isn't allowed on Wikipedia. If you can find a reliable source that says it, then it can be added, it's that simple. I don't care about those other two because I am not editing those articles. Also, can you please sign your comments? You just have to type 4 tildes in a row (like this: ~~~~). Precious Roy 17:01, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

y don't u try infoplease.com and answers.com those r reliable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bijoucrazy (talk • contribs) 20:58, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Actually, they're not. Both of those sites take their content from other sites, many of which (like Wikipedia) rely on their users for information, which does not guarantee the fact-checking that established magazines and newspapers have to go through before publishing. Seriously, read WP:RS to get an idea of what I'm talking about. Precious Roy 21:57, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

even though I haven't been able to find some strong documents proving that she is a socialites. She has many qualities like her fellow socialites. Family fortune, party girl, and media spotlight. I just have a really strong feeling sbout this judgement. And if you could just please let socialite be apart of the leading paragraph I know not only I, but many other people will appreciate it much. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bijoucrazy (talk • contribs) 05:04, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

It's nothing personal but I'm sorry, without a reference it's just original research. Precious Roy 09:19, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

well where do you suggest i look. what sites... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bijoucrazy (talk • contribs) 21:20, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

The easiest is Google's news archive but I've already looked there. Another good place to check: your local library may have free access to a periodicals database that you can search (on my library's website and there's a link to the database, when you click it, they ask for your library card number and then you can access the database). Precious Roy 13:23, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

will the New York Post (Page Six) work as a reliable source. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bijoucrazy (talk • contribs) 12:10, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

I've added a sentence about her being called a socialite; all you have to do is plug in the information about the reference (issue date, page, etc) with <ref> tags. Precious Roy 20:45, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
I have now removed the sentence because a reference was never added. Please do not replace it unless you include the necessary reference. Precious Roy (talk) 16:35, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

what is the necessary reference —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bijoucrazy (talk • contribs) 19:29, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

You implied that Page Six said she's a socialite. Well, which issue of the Post was it in? The reference has to be verifiable. Precious Roy (talk) 19:58, 23 November 2007 (UTC)