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Contents 1 Big Ten Women's Basketball - Section Needed 2 Western Conference 3 Not the Oldest 4 Logos 5 Penn State Enrollment 6 Notre Dame not officially invited 7 History 8 University of Colorado 9 No redirect 10 Research Expenditures

[edit] Big Ten Women's Basketball - Section Needed

Any Wikipedian, please create this section if you have time.

13:40, 12 June 2006 (UTC)13:40, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

I disagree. The only sections written for any sport are under the heading "rivalries," for which I think, only football should be listed. The Big Ten has long been known for its intense football rivalries, but men's basketball has been tepid at best (I'm talking about rivalries, not level of play). I think the men's basketball section should be removed, if anything. While I agree that women's basketball is an important sport for the conference, the overall repuation of play and fan interest simply doesn't support a section for that moreso than any other sport. The Big Ten is by no means known for its women's basketball, ranking typically between the 6th and 8th best conference in the country. I'd suggest instead a list of the national championships and other national accolades won by memebers of the conference across all sports.

-m

13:40, 12 June 2006 (UTC)13:40, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Western Conference

Why does Western Conference redirect to this article? --All in 03:55, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

The conference’s official name throughout the time was still the Intercollegiate Conference of Faculty Representatives and was also known as the Western Conference. It did not formally adopt the name Big Ten until 1987 when it was incorporated as a not-for-profit corporation. ... but it needs to be a dab. -- Jjjsixsix ^(t)/_(c) @ 03:59, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

But there are other Western Conferences. I think "Western Conference" should be a disambig page. For example, in the NHL, NBA, WHL, etc. I'm sure there are many others. --thirty-seven 00:10, 18 May 2006 (UTC)--thirty-seven 00:09, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Agreed, I noticed this the other day but did not have time to fix. I created the disambig page now. (Terryn3 22:44, 18 May 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Not the Oldest

The Big Ten is not oldest college athletic conference. That title goes the the Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association, founded in founded March 24, 1888. MIAA History. The Big Ten was founded on January 11, 1895 Big Ten History. --Colslax 23:05, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

The article states that the Big Ten is the oldest DI athletic conference. The MIAA is not Division I. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 128.101.181.114 (talk • contribs) 05:11, 30 November 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Logos

Fair use images are allowable where no free alterantive exists. By definition, there is no free alternative to a logo. Therefore, logos would be usable here under fair use if the team they represent is discussed (not just mentioned). Johntex\^talk 21:29, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

There is a discussion to clarify our policy/guideline on the use of sports team logos. Please see Wikipedia_talk:Logos#Clarification_on_use_of_sports_team_logos if you wish to participate in the discussion. Johntex\^talk 16:35, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Penn State Enrollment

Listing Penn State's enrollment as 82K is misleading and not consistent with how the other institutions are listed. This incorporates all the affiliated campuses, evn those with distinct names (Dickenson, Penn Tech, Hershey, etc.) and probably distinct sports teams and conference affiliations. This is not done for any of the other Big-10 schools (many of which would get larger if it were done), and smells of one-upsmanship. The List_of_largest_US_universities_by_enrollment page doesn't do this either, so there is precedent and consistency to maintain. It is probably correct as well, given this is the Big 10 page: only the University Park campus is affiliated with the Big 10 athletic conference. Nestify 15:01, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Notre Dame not officially invited

I removed this phrase:

the Big Ten extended an official invitation to Notre Dame

Per the citation ( http://www.mndaily.com/daily/1999/02/08/sports/irish/ ), the Big 10 did not officially invite ND. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.92.53.49 (talk) 10:07, 8 January 2007 (UTC).

[edit] History

Nearly all of the "History" section is lifted verbatim from the Big Ten History page on the conference website. This needs to be rewritten by someone a bit more familiar with the topic than myself. -- PSUMark2006 talk | contribs 02:04, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Comparing the two only this "At the 1895 meeting, a blueprint for the control and administration of college athletics under the direction of appointed faculty representatives was outlined. The presidents' first-known action "restricted eligibility for athletics to bona fide, full-time students who were not delinquent in their studies." This helped limit some problems of the times, especially the participation of professional athletes and "non-students" in the universities' regular sporting events. "

seems to be cut and paste and perhaps part of the first para should not be to difficult to fix it give it a shot Smith03 03:19, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] University of Colorado

How could the University of Colorado even be considered to join the Big Ten if it isn't in or next to the current territory, as the next paragraph states is required? The inclusion of University of Colorado on the list of schools that may join the Big Ten is a little hinky to me. -- Guy Without a Wikipedia Account —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.214.15.100 (talk) 17:13, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

I remember Colorado was disscussed on ESPN's College Football Live with Mark May and Lou Holtz saying that Colorad was up for consiteration. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rick lay95 (talk • contribs) 17:12, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] No redirect

It says at the top of this page that "Big Ten" redirects here. Well, having just come here from that page I can tell you that it definitely does not. Just a heads up. 138.69.160.1 15:40, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Research Expenditures

Do Big Ten research expenditures really exceed the Ivy League on a per-university or per-capita basis or total basis? This unsourced claim seems somewhat... questionable. Cornell, Columbia, Harvard, Penn and Yale all spend in the 500-600 million dollar range while even the little ivies like Princeton and Dartmouth spend over 200 million each. UW-Madison certainly pulls its' own weight at 800 million, but using system wide numbers for Michigan, OSU and PSU seems pretty shady. Thoughts?Jeh25 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 19:36, 26 November 2007 (UTC)