Talk:Big Sur

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[edit] Trivia

If this section is to be limited to local trivia connected to the land than it might be made more explicit. But the title Trivia indicates that it will be a collection of insignificant items that amuse readers. I would argue, however, that given the spiritual and artistic energy associated with Big Sur, songs that reference the place are something more than insignificant. I would argue further that a song reference to Big Sur could tell you a lot more about the place than the fact that Orson Wells bought a house that he never lived in.

You make a very good point, which is why I haven't taken down any of the new trivia items that have been added.--Scooterboss 12:14, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Why thank you.Nepal Tree 19:54, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gallery

Is it just me, or are most of the images in the gallery not functioning? Stephenjh 17:24, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm able to see them. Scooterboss 20:27, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] what's the criteria for calling a link "spam"?

I restored the link that was removed twice previously - what's the definition of "link spam" anyway? I found that site to be useful and informative. I'd be curious to know if anyone can point to a specific answer. Scooterboss 00:57, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

I added a link to http://71miles.com/destinations/big-sur in the External Links section and called it "Hotels, restaurants, and activities in Big Sur." I believe the link is truly useful to Wikipedia users who want to learn more about this entry. 71Miles' writers have been published by publications like The New York Times and have written dozens of Lonely Planet books.

I then received this note from another Wikipedia user who I assume removed the link:

   Please stop adding spam links to Wikipedia articles. Your edits will be reverted. - Dudesleeper · Talk 21:42, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

How do I put the link back up. I am the owner of the 71Miles. Thanks.

See WP:NOT and look at section 2.7, or go directly to [1], where you will find this:

Travel guides. An article on Paris should mention landmarks such as the Eiffel Tower and the Louvre, but not the telephone number or street address of your favorite hotel or the price of a café au lait on the Champs-Élysées. Such details are, however, very welcome at Wikitravel, but note that due to license incompatibility you cannot copy content wholesale unless you are the copyright holder.

. Then go to Wikipedia:Spam and read the External link spamming section. Then go to... (there's lots more).--Hjal 05:22, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

````-- I believe you are misreading the rules. "An article on Paris" - I put a link in the External Links section, but did not change the previous Wikipedia entry in any other way. For a non-resident looking for current information (not history) on Big Sur, 71Miles article is arguably more useful than the entire Wikipedia entry. http://71miles.com/destinations/big-sur

That said, I did not change the Wikipedia entry at all. I simply added an external link at the bottom of the page. I came across many link to the New York Times travel section in these same external links sections. Is there a bias against independent publishers?

I added a link in the External Links section to a 71Miles' article, but did not change any other part of the entry. 71Miles is my company. Our articles are a valuable resource to Wikipedia readers when presented in the appropriate context. Our articles are written to inform readers about a destination. To include them in the External Link section is to use that section exactly as it is intended. I have seen multiple instance where links to The New York Times articles and other prominent publications are included in External Link sections on similar topics. Since our writers have been published by the New York Times and other prominent publications, and 71Miles articles are of equal quality, it would have to be bias against independent publishers not to include our links while allowing the Times' links to remain. (Asruge 18:20, 4 July 2007 (UTC))

Also, besides our links guidelines, please read WP:COI - using wikipedia to promote your company is not appropriate. AKRadeckiSpeaketh 23:16, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:External_links#What_should_be_linked

I won't put the links up anymore. However, the policy is simply flawed. A company owner, book author, or other self-interested party could be the best source of information about a topic. If a self-interested person posts links to his own website, it should certainly be subject to review, but should not be removed simply because the source of the contribution is motivated by self interest. In this case, the links I posted provide better, more objective sources of information than the links that currently exist. (Asruge 17:05, 6 July 2007 (UTC))