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[edit] Reordering the sections

In looking at the overall order of the article, I think it could be improved by moving some sections higher in the page. First of all, the "House Calls" section is a somewhat off-topic way of leading off because it's a very minor element of the show. It belongs towards the end, and the "Chronology" and "HouseGuests" sections should start the main article following the intro. And the "Voting History" table deserves to be up closer to the people, with the "Ratings" section dropped below "America's Player". I rearranged the entire page in my Sandbox and the table of contents is copied here.

   * 1 Chronology
   * 2 HouseGuests
         o 2.1 Amber
         o 2.2 Carol
         (etc.)
   * 3 Big Brother House
   * 4 Prizes
   * 5 Voting history
   * 6 Interactive options
         o 6.1 America's Player
               + 6.1.1 AP Task Overview
                     # 6.1.1.1 Thursday's Task
                     # 6.1.1.2 Tuesday's Task
                     # 6.1.1.3 Sunday's Task
                     # 6.1.1.4 Results
         o 6.2 Big Brother interactive
   * 7 Ratings
   * 8 House Calls: The Big Brother Talk Show
   * 9 See also
   * 10 References
   * 11 External links

I feel this will greatly improve the flow of the article and have the more important items higher on the page. It may not be perfect, but I do see lots of improvements in it. Thanks. --Mtjaws 18:29, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

I like the idea however I would make one change and that is to move the Voting History table to below the Interactive Options section, because AP is referred to numerous times in the Voting History table and if people are going through the page top to bottom, I think it would make more sense to have it that way. - Rjd0060 19:23, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
With things quiet now, I made the reordering changes, including Rjd0060's suggestion to put Voting History below America's Player. That makes sense to me too. Thanks. --Mtjaws 15:36, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
I just want to say good work! - Rjd0060 22:39, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Daniele's age

someone should take off the part in Daniele's bio that says that she technically broke the rules because she was twenty since this is the second time that they allow someone under the age limit (Michelle was 19 in season 4) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.154.24.26 (talk) 12:53, 12 September 2007 (UTC) yeah he was 19, but the rules then were that you had to be over 18. Now it's 21Xylogirl07 13:02, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Xylogirl107 is correct. I believe this information should stay. It IS referenced, and confirmed by CBS.com. It is a very interesting piece of information that I believe fits the article. - Rjd0060 14:22, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
She didn't necessarily break the rules, and perhaps it can be reworded slightly to reflect this - I believe that Daniele was allowed to apply due to the nemesis twist - can we find some information somewhere from CBS explaining any of this? - supremegoddessofall 23:02, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
She did technically break the rules. I agree that CBS and/or BB Producers allowed her to break the rule because of the twist, but she did not meet an official eligibility requirement. It is stated as an official Eligibility Requirement for Big Brother that "... 6. You must be at least 21 years of age at the time of application. ...". If you havent seen the website for yourself, you can look here Its official - CBS.com.- Rjd0060 23:32, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
No, I mean did she intentionally falsify her application or submit an application on her own knowing that she was underage? Or did she get asked to apply due to her father being scripted in order to meet the nemesis plotline? Believe me, I'm not a Daniele fan, but saying that she "broke the rules" implies that she was deliberately deceptive. Maybe she was, maybe she wasn't - that's why we need a source specific to *Daniele's* application rather than just the show rules themselves. - supremegoddessofall 01:46, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
I see what you are saying now. I misunderstood before. I am sure that they (BB) wanted her for the plot. I don't know what it could be changed to, but I definitely think that it should stay on there, in some form. Do you have any suggestions on what to change it to? - Rjd0060 01:49, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
I see your edit. I think that looks good for now. - Rjd0060 01:52, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Big Brother After Dark

Big Brother After Dark takes place from 9 P.M. to Midnight PT in the Big Brother House in L.A., but it's televised with a three hour tape delay on the west coast. It's more accurate to say that it's on from Midnight to 3 A.M. ET & PT.69.181.156.67 11:35, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

I changed it to "... is carrying a spin-off of the series called Big Brother: After Dark, which airs nightly from 9 p.m.—12 a.m. (EST / PST). The show is live for the viewers on the East coast, however viewers on the West are viewing a taped version. ..." I don't know if this is worded perfectly, but it's good enough until somebody with a better idea comes along. - Rjd0060 13:50, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
It doesn't air 9pm-12am on the East (or West either, since it is tape delayed). It actually airs 12am-3am. I'll make the change now. --Mtjaws 16:41, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
Oh, Thats right. duh! - Rjd0060 16:45, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
I noticed that you didn't change it yet, so I went ahead and did. - Rjd0060 16:49, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
I was in the process of it, and trying to figure out (via edit conflict) the best place for the "actual/local House hours" being shown. Putting it right after the "PST" (which should be EDT/PDT now that I think about it) makes it look like we can't do the math because 12a-3a Pacific isn't the same as 9p-12a BB House time, which I felt was being suggested before I moved it. It could probably be improved further so I'm open to other's suggestions/attempts. --Mtjaws 17:08, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
Looks good now. Thanks for your help with it. - Rjd0060 17:49, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
Weird. I had no idea that SHOTOO even had a Pacific Feed. DirecTV only carries the Eastern feed, so it actually does air live 9p-12a PDT at my house! :) Maybe it would be best to say that it airs 12a-3a Eastern and leave it at that. --Robb0995 06:56, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Voting Table Suggested Change

For the voting table I am proposing a change when the game is down to the final three can we have the person who was evicted have the square say Evicted instead of Nominated? I have an example of the table in my sandbox so you can see how it looks. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 01:06, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

I say yes. It makes things a lot clearer. - Rjd0060 01:14, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
I mainly suggest changes like this when my friends look at Wikipeida and begin asking questions lol. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 01:17, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
I think we should revert it back to nominated because we could if they are a juror by not having Winner of Runner-Up and the money value in their finale box! ScottAHudson 10:15, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
ScottAHudson, you should have waited before changing them all back. I asked about this change because I have had people that I know who are new to Wikipedia ask me if the third place finisher was evicted why doesn't that box say evicted? By putting that the third place finisher was evicted solves problems like this since the last two houseguests who are not HoH are nominated by default. I am in the process of changing them all back. If there is a decision that third place should say "Nominated" instead of "Evicted" then we will change it back. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 15:13, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
Besides, it is pretty obvious that if a person was "Evicted" that they must have been nominated. If it just says "Nominated" then there is question if they were evicted or not. - Rjd0060 15:17, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
Why not have both, something like the table below? I don't think that using "Nom." or "Evic." should be too much of a problem because at this point of the game there have been plenty of Nominations and Evictions before this, so new people can easily match the blue "Nom." with the other blue "Nominated"s, and same with Evicted. - zachinthebox (User • Talk)
Week 6 Week 7 Week 8 Week 9 Week 10 Week 11
Finale
Zach Dustin Jen Nominated Head of
Household		 Eric Head of
Household		 Nom. Evic.
(Day 76)		 Jury member
Jameka Dick Nominated Zach Nominated Nominated Nominated Evicted
(Day 74)		 Jury member
Sorry. I don't like this proposed table. It looks confusing. There is no problem with just leaving it as "Evicted". - Rjd0060 20:32, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
It seems that people want "Nominated" and "Evicted" somewhere, so lets try it this way, it makes it look less crowded. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 01:39, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
Week 6 Week 7 Week 8 Week 9 Week 10 Week 11
Finale
Zach Dustin Jen Nominated Head of
Household		 Eric Head of
Household		 Nominated Jury member
Evicted
(Day 76)
Jameka Dick Nominated Zach Nominated Nominated Nominated Evicted
(Day 74)		 Jury member
I still think that adds confusion. It should be fine with just "Evicted". You cant be "Evicted" without being nominated. That seems good enough. - Rjd0060 02:11, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
You're right now that I look at it. Plus the table does say he was nominated at the top under Dick, plus the note at the bottom explains it all. The nominated and evicted part is covered fine the way it is now. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 02:56, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
I agree, I think that just "Evicted" is fine because you can't be evicted if you aren't nominated. - zachinthebox (User • Talk) 03:14, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dick

I am just noticing that Dick has his own page now Dick Donato, and the page is linked from his bio on this BB page. First of all, I am thinking about nominating that page for deletion. Why does he need his own page? We arent going to make a page for every HouseGuest? Since there is a link on this article, that is why I am mentioning it here. - Rjd0060 01:20, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

I say for now leave it, just in case he is the winner. People love to create an article for the winner. See Brian Belo as my example. It at least is more detailed than the example than I provided. But just in case he is the winner wait until after the finale. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 01:30, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
Too late. Already nominated AFD. If you really think it should be kept, vote to keep it. - Rjd0060 01:33, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Of course he deserves his own page... he will soon be known for far more than Big Brother 8, and to continue to mention what is going on in his life strictly in terms of his involvement with BB does not make sense. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.123.134.36 (talk) 05:33, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

What would Dick be known for other than BB8? If it's something significant, then he should have his own page. Otherwise, I agree with not needing one. Snowfire51 05:38, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dick Donato (2nd nomination) - Rjd0060 14:01, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Houseguest legend coloring - end of the game already!

Well, well, well. I thought I was gone for the year, but I guess I can't be stopped from making a small edit here and there. Anyway, we are down to the final two, and unless this has been covered in previous seasons and the big wigs know what they are doing, I think we should review/clarify the winner and runner-up colors in the legend. I know that Dick needs to be kept as Head of Household (I think this has something to with jury statements?), but I'm not sure if we make some adjustments now or late on Tuesday. - Spyke1077 01:57, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

I think this is what you mean. These are the ones used in all previous seasons.
Winner Runner Up
style="background:#73FB76" style="background:#D1E8EF"
- Rjd0060 02:11, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
Those colors match the Endgame template so they are good to use. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 02:19, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
Should nominated come out--you know what, I'm leaving it alone. I had too many problems tonight with other screw-ups I made! I'll just skip over the vandalism warning and leave it until Tuesday - Spyke1077 02:27, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
Just leave the Infobox alone, once the finale is over we will switch the Template:Big Brother housemates to Template:Big Brother endgame and everything will work out. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 03:24, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Eric's Jury Task

When does voting end for the campaign task for Eric end? Is it like the past: 12AM Pacific Time? ScottAHudson 20:50, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

8PM Pacific / 11PM Eastern on Saturday, September 15 - Rjd0060 20:53, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] FINALE!

When is it?--Sugarcubez 03:54, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Tuesday, September 18 at 9:00 PM EST - zachinthebox (User • Talk) 13:26, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Prizes #2

The Prizes section says:

"Besides the Grand Prize and the Runner-Up Prize..."

Now, there is no mention of the amounts of those prizes anywhere in the article. Where should these amounts be added? - Rjd0060 20:47, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

BB7 page says:

The last remaining HouseGuest wins $500,000. The runner-up receives $50,000.

But, I dont know where we want to add this. - Rjd0060 20:49, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
It can be stated in a very simple introductory sentence to the Prize section. I'll put something in because I noticed the vagueness of the Prizes too. --Mtjaws 15:46, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
Great. Thanks - Rjd0060 15:49, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Voting History Table

I have reverted the edit by ScottAHudson. His edit reflected that Zach was evicted in week 11, with the rationale that the CBS website shows his eviction in week 11. While this is true, our Voting History table does not match CBS at all (as far as evictions).

Example:
Our history table shows Carol's eviction in week 1, while CBS shows Carol's eviction in week 2.

Every eviction is off by one week. So leave it like it is. Check the website yourself. See the table here. - Rjd0060 02:15, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

I think he is actually looking at the actual CBS voting history table which actually matches the one we have here until Week 10. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 16:01, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
Well, I still don't know why CBS is contradicting itself. - Rjd0060 22:55, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
I think the confusion is that the show didn't air until a week after they entered the house. I guess because of the twist. It's all messed up. The day numbers, etc. sigh. I think we should just stay with what we have, unless someone comes up with a better alternative. - Jeeny Talk 23:03, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
Agreed. Keep as it is. - Rjd0060 23:06, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Spoiler Tags

I am assuming that we will be removing the spoiler tags throughout the page after the finale. Is this correct? - Rjd0060 23:01, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Wait until after the show has aired on the West Cost. Because 9 times out of 10 it will be live for the East Coast but delayed for the West Coast. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 23:15, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
Yes after the finale, West Coast time. To be fair, even though the right coast ...is well... the right one. :p - Jeeny Talk 23:18, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] America's Player in Endgame Infobox

Since it is now the end should we put a color beside Eric's name and at the bottom put "America's Player" with the amount of money he won? I think that now since it is the end it is ok to give him a seperate color in the Infobox since he did win money aside from the finalists. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 02:22, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes. - Jeeny Talk 02:24, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
Well since you said yes I decided to be bold and do it. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 02:27, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
Good Thinkin'! - Rjd0060 02:29, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
Well there isn't that many chances that the US can use the optional colors. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 02:43, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Would it be ok to do the same thing for Janelle in Big Brother 7 (US) she did win $25,000 from America's Choice. I believe that looking back that is infobox noticeable. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 02:31, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

I'll be like Jeeny and just say.......Yes. - Rjd0060 02:33, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
lol. Second yes. - Jeeny Talk 02:48, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
If you are going to put a different in his box, please put evicted in the description of the color in the legend. ScottAHudson Talk —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.31.88.4 (talk) 11:38, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
I changed it back. ScottAHudson, don't just delete stuff. Propose a change. - Rjd0060 14:46, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
ScottAHudson, Eric was evicted because he has an exit date, America's Player is noteworthy for the infobox now. Eric did win $40,000 and was America's Player which is an important twist to the game and should be noted. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 18:14, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Some minor clean ups

This isn't that a big a deal, but I like to report anything I did, since this is probably one of the most active discussion pages on Wikipedia. I cleaned up some stuff in the Dick and Daniele bios, some stuff that was written after the finale. Mostly spelling/grammar/capitalization stuff, different and better wording. It was written kind of sloppy, so I just "re-toolded" it a bit to make it sound better. - Spyke1077 02:58, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Also removed "upcoming television episode of already running TV series" disclaimer because the show has concluded in most of the time zones (as of this writing, the West Coast broadcast is just starting), and the internet feeds are off. There are no mistakes in that area can be made. I left up the spoiler warning though, because, as I said above, the show hasn't aired in all the time zones yet. - Spyke1077 03:03, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

I think that where the "controversy" regarding the term "America's Player" is discussed (the controversy being that Canadians as well as people in the US can vote) it should be noted that "America's Player" can easily be interpreted to imply NORTH America. Id have added it in myself except this page does not seem to be open to editing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.123.134.36 (talk) 05:30, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dicks own page

This is not a big deal right now but eventually we need to create a page for Dick. Only because all of the other winners have there own page so it would make sense to create one for him. Rosario lopez 06:10, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Winning Big Brother, alone, is not notable enough for its own page. Until Dick does something that is actually notable outside the house, the current redirect is sufficient. This has been discussed (discussion may still be going on) on the AfD page for "Dick Donato" (prior to the redirect). - Rjd0060 13:59, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
However, the discussion is still going on. See it here. - Rjd0060 14:03, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Error. This is NOT the first time in BB history that a nominee has removed the other nominee from the block.

The article states:

"Dick was a finalist in the selection process for Seasons 5 and 6.[citation needed] Dick and Daniele have started to mend their relationship, and Daniele has told him she loves him. Dick has said he will do anything for Daniele. An example of this when they were both nominated on Day 42. After Dick won the Power of Veto, he used it to save Daniele rather than himself. That was the first time in the history of Big Brother that a HouseGuest nominated for eviction used the Veto to remove the other person from the nomination block."

That is not true. Marcellas Reynolds removed Amy Crews from the block in Season 3 as stated below in another Wiki article:

"Marcellas was involved in one of the most shocking moments, in what is still considered one of the stupidest moves in the show's history. When Marcellas and Amy were nominated by Head of Household Jason, Marcellas won the Power of Veto contest. Seeming to believe that he had a agreement with HouseGuest Danielle, Marcellas chose not to use the veto on himself. However, Danielle did in fact vote to evict Marcellas, making it a 1-1 tie that was broken by HoH Jason who also voted to evict Marcellas, telling him he "should have used the veto". Until Season 8, this was the only time that a nominated HouseGuest won the Veto and did not use it on themselves. Marcellas still felt betrayed at Danielle four years later when they both appeared on Big Brother: All Stars and he found it difficult to talk to or be around her."Rodandjoyce 05:25, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Read it more carefully. Right, Marcellas failed to use it on himself, however he didn't use it to help the other person on the block. Dick used his to help the other person who'd been on the block. Wryspy 05:41, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
To explain it more specifically, Marcellas chose not to use the PoV at all (not on himself, or the other nominee). Dick did use the PoV (on Daniele). - Rjd0060 14:09, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
Well said. Wryspy 21:16, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
Thank You. ;-) - Rjd0060 21:21, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

You are both correct. My sincere apologies. I had my head up.... well, elsewhere! Sorry and thanks for straightening me out!! Rodandjoyce 02:09, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Not a big deal. - Rjd0060 02:14, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ratings

Can someone please do the ratings calculations for the rest of the season? I would do them myself, but I don't know the conversions for the Neilsen ratings. Thanks. —TRAiNER4 (talk • contrib) 00:16, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

I have done the ones that are available. The ratings for the final 2 episodes will be available by Nielsen on Wednesday, so we cannot finish until then. - Rjd0060 02:29, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
Somebody else is going to have to either tell me where to find them or do them ---> The final week ratings. I cannot find them on Nielsen. - Rjd0060 02:44, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Start Class??

Shouldn't this article be more than start class on the quality scale by now? ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 02:29, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Should be GA status by now. But since it isn't, yes it should be something other than Start. - Rjd0060 02:36, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
I dont know what I am talking about. I was thinking about Big Brother (US) that was nominated for GA. I dont know what this one should be rated as. - Rjd0060 02:43, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
Most of the other ones are at class B, so I changed this one to B as well. - Rjd0060 02:45, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Exempt Color

Should we change the exempt color to      since the HoH color is now      ? I think we should to follow guidelines. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 05:16, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Removed ages

I've removed the ages from all of the HG bios. There is already present a date of birth, and that should be sufficient. Otherwise, we need to change the wording to something like "At the time of airing...." because people are apparently going to change their age every year, which is unnecessary and misleading. - Rjd0060 (talk) 14:47, 28 January 2008 (UTC)