Template talk:Bibleref

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Templates for deletion This template was considered for deletion on 2006 June 18. The result of the discussion was withdrawn by nominator.

There is a discussion about the use of this template at Wikipedia:Citing sources/Bible


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Documentation - Discussion

[edit] Documentation

[edit] Purpose

{{bibleref}} —

Insert an external link to a bible reference at biblegateway.com, allowing for choice of translation.

[edit] Usage

{{bibleref
  |book
  |reference (chapter or chapter:verse or chapter:verse-verse)
  |translation
}}

Book is the bible book name in any abbreviation allowed by biblegateway.com. Reference is the chapter or chapter-and-verse within the book; if omitted, it defaults to Chapter 1. Translation is the translation number, defaulting to 31 (NIV); 9 is for KJV.


[edit] Example

Code Result 
{{bibleref|John|3:16}}
John 3:16 
{{bibleref|John|3:16|9}}
John 3:16

[edit] See also

[edit] History

Etiquette suggestions added 
--David.alex.lamb 22:20, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
Created 
David.alex.lamb 16:29, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion

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[edit] Etiquette

  1. Please don't change the default translation in this template; by the time you do so it is likely that many (I hope) pages will have been written or updated assuming the original default.
  2. When someone supplies a translation number in a use on some Wikipedia page, please don't change it without discussion and consensus on the corresponding talk page.

[edit] Other

It would be nice to reference translations by name, but I can't immediately see how to do that. --David.alex.lamb 16:52, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bias

I have some concerns that the website that the template links to (BibleGateway) only lists Conservative Protestant translations. None of the more critical modern translations are listed, and nor are any Catholic, Jewish, or Jehovah's witness, translations listed.

Major Translations that Bible Gateway does NOT list:

Is it possible to create a page somehow, like Special:Booksources for online Bible translations? That would be more neutral, I think.

This is, for example, noticable with Sirach 1:1, which doesn't exist in Protestant bibles but does in Catholic, Orthodox, and Jewish ones. Clinkophonist 13:19, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

New Living Translation and New Revised Standard Version are now included. See http://www.biblegateway.com/versions/ Afaprof01 01:26, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
There also no Eastern Orthodox translation. --Ephilei (talk) 18:45, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Bug

Spaces need to be replaced with underscores or something on the linking bit

[edit] See merge discussion on Bibleverse template

Template talk:Bibleverse is in my mind a more general template, and if merging were to occur it would be into that one, not into this one. It for instance allows for non-biblegateway.com sources, which have been commented on above. Ansell 23:37, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

the problem with Template:Bibleverse is that it is more complicated - its not as easy to write. If you are doing several references at once, its much nicer having less to write. Clinkophonist 15:41, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Is the ease of writing worth the hassle of both maintaining two templates, and using two templates for what is essentially one purpose (bibleverse is more general). Ansell Review my progress! 00:00, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Note

I've recreated the template as a shorthand for template:bibleverse which is too complicated if you like doing things quickly. Clinkophonist 18:06, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Keep in mind that whenever you use a book such as 1 Corinthians, it will fail as the 1 is put in the wrong bibleverse parameter. There is only one pipe character difference between this and bibleverse. I do not see how that is too hard for someone to learn. The extra parameter is for the books in the 1/2 type situation. Ansell 01:05, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
It won't fail - you just can't put a space between the 1 (or 2) and teh book name. (ie 1Corinthians)

[edit] Notification about Wikipedia:Citing sources/Bible

I stumbled upon an advertisement for this page which an editor had convieniently placed on a user talk page without remembering to put a link to it here. Vote stacking is bad, but this is a relevant discussion to this template, and hence I am doing this here and not on selected talk pages. Ansell 10:57, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

  • Please see at the very top of this page. There is an infobox up there about the discussion. There is a link in the infobox on the template page itself - Template:Bibleref. The link was also given on the TFD. I seriously doubt there was any intent to exclude anyone. Please remember to assume good faith. BigDT 14:44, 26 June 2006 (UTC)