Talk:Bev Harris

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[edit] Biography assessment rating comment

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The article may be improved by following the WikiProject Biography 11 easy steps to producing at least a B article. -- Yamara 02:38, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

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Found stale mirror of this article at http://www.fact-index.com/b/be/bev_harris.html. Wondering why "which repeats the long discredited (http://www.insomnomaniac.com/archives/000525.html) claim that bush went AWOL during his military service in the Viet Nam era" was removed from this article. Is it not true? <>< tbc

[edit] NPOV tag

I re-added the npov tag, since the language seems to be non-neutral (like "a true american hero"). I don't know the original reason for the tag, but this probably needs attention. --TeaDrinker 06:33, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

I tried to edit to make POV improvements, to make this more neutral, but I could not do so. Perhaps I need to create an account?68.167.224.8 06:51, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Curious, in what way were you prevented from editing? You should not have to log in to make edits... Did you get an error message of some kind when you were trying to edit it? You're not blocked; maybe it is some kind of bug. --TeaDrinker 06:55, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Enlighten the reader; don't instruct.

The author is telling the reader how to feel. I'm sure with a quick NPOV style edit, someone could enlighten the reader as to Ms. Harris's contributions to the BBV movement and let them decided how they feel about her. Bye the way, I'm not offering to write it. I know very little about the subject. After reading the article, I still know very little her.Kidigus 01:31, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Removed Prod

After adding NY Times article about her work by Paul Krugman and HBO documentary about her work to establish notability.Edison 20:35, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for improving the article. I encourage you to do further work, if you are so inclined. - Crockspot 03:53, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fantastic Job

Another facade of our wonderful government exposed. This is right up there with our Income tax structure, Pharmaceutical drugs and more. Great Job on Hacking Democracy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.108.26.79 (talk • contribs) 17:45 7 November 2006

[edit] Bev's Edits

  • BBV opposes voting machines (Bev deleted that and it's important) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.202.138.2 (talk • contribs) 18:32, 3 October 2007
    • Per Bev Harris's comment on your talk page,[1] your statement about her views is inaccurate andf unsourced. Edison 17:50, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hacking Democracy

  • There is already and article on the film, with a "main" link. There is no need to repeat the entire article here.
  • Removed duplicate info under "other activists" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.202.138.2 (talk • contribs) 18:32, 3 October 2007

[edit] BBV References

  • Providing links from the BBV organization is essentially Bev Harris writing her original research and then writing her own sources. To quote Wikipedia policy "Self-published sources should never be used as third-party sources about living persons, even if the author is a well-known professional researcher or writer."
  • "Seattle Weekly article 'Bigbrother.gov'" 2004 Does not actually reference any of that section's topics.
  • Most of the references provided are unavailable and cannot be substantiated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.202.138.2 (talk • contribs) 18:32, 3 October 2007
    • What does "unavailable" mean to you, and which references specifically are you referring to? Edison 18:15, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] =Bev's Blanket Revert

Bev has performed a full revert of the above changes with no explanation. This has been repaired. 64.202.138.2 17:01, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Much of the deleted text was referenced to original documents available at Harris's website, but third party publications have covered the same ground and a search would have shown that the deleted material can be referenced to the numerous articles on black box voting in well known publications. The removal was premature, pending efforts to source the statements to sites other than hers. Her site can certainly be used as a source about her and about her work, per WP:V. I have restored the disputed material to the article pending discussion here. The best approach is to go through the disputed material here and see if the various articles from national publications, congressional hearings, etc can serve to refeerence it, rather than starting or perpetuating a revert war, which is contrary to WP:3RR. In addition to references to Harris's site, you deleted such references as the HBO documentary Documentary: Hacking Democracy Nov, 2006, Vanity Fair: Hack the Vote; April 1, 2004 by Michael Shnayerson, and Seattle Post-Intelligencer: No elections harmed by work of ex-cons; February 12, 2004, and "Seattle Weekly article 'Bigbrother.gov'" 2004. The "Hacking Democracy" documentary was largely based on the work of Harris and it is appropriate to discuss it at length in this article. Copies of court records seem like pretty good proof of someone having a criminal record, although they are less accessible than if there were a newspaper article reporting the conviction. Fortunately two reliable publications furnish such third party references. Presumably if Harris was able to obtain the court records, other editors could too. The subsequent reporting by the Seattle Post Intelligencer and Vanity Fair corroborate the original investigation by Harris which disclosed the criminal record, and her copies of the records are an appropriate addition to the article. Edison 17:49, 17 October 2007 (UTC)