Talk:Betty Williams (politician)

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This was the only article in the world with "BA (Hons)" (or at least the only wikified such item), which was a redirect, and I took it upon myself to orphan that redirect. ;Bear 05:04, August 24, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move

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Betty Helena Williams → Betty Williams (politician) — She never uses her middle name (even on ballot papers/official documents). —Joe Llywelyn Griffith Blakesley talk contrib 04:55, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

NB: another Betty Williams is notable for "promoting a peaceful resolution to The Troubles in Northern Ireland". This could well be classified as politics, so should the move be to Betty Williams (Welsh politician) to be safe. —Joe Llywelyn Griffith Blakesley talk contrib 15:01, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

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The additional disambiguation of "(Welsh politician)" only becomes necessary once there's another article with a title based on "Helen Williams (politician)". This article has been renamed from Betty Helena Williams to Betty Williams (politician) as the result of a move request. --Stemonitis 05:29, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

BTW, the policy justification for this move was that Wikipedia:Naming conventions (people)#Middle names - abbreviations of names says that middle names should not be added for disambiguation (unless you'd include it anyway as the person is most commonly known with a middle name).
Also, I think you've missed my point, which was that the new name may not be sufficiently precise as there is anothe rperson with the same name who is also a politician (though in a wider sense than that in Wikipedia article names).
Joe Llywelyn Griffith Blakesley talk contrib 14:40, 14 July 2007 (UTC)