Talk:Bethany School (Goudhurst, Kent)

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Assessment: Hello all, and thank you for contributing to this school article. I'm part of the Wikipedia:WikiProject_Schools/Assessment team, and I'm reviewing this page. I'm currently giving it a grade of Start on the Wikipedia 1.0 Assessment Scale and an importance of Low on this importance scale. For information on improving this article, please visit the WikiProject Schools Project Page. My reasoning is as follows: Needs some reorg and more references. Pictures wouldn't hurt Adam McCormick 03:13, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Raker....Either talk about this or I will revert this every hour of every day if I have to. Mark my words.

Your edit violates Wikipedia's NPOV policy - all articles must be written from a neutral point of view. You cannot claim that the school has a bad reputation for games or that this is attributable to the head of games without citing a reliable source. (If this view is indeed held by a majority of parents and pupils then this should not be a problem.) Please familiarise yourself with the NPOV tutorial. Raker 15:29, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Did you go to the school? No you didnt...so what the hell would you know.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.9.67.185 (talk • contribs)

Now now Mr Anonymous, calm down. Wikipedia needs to make sure that all content can be verified. If you can provide a decent source for your material, by all means add it, but taking your word for it is simply not good enough. Even if you alone feel that your school (as you imply) is bad at games, it does not mean that you can add this material - Wikipedia is not the place to make political/emotive/etc. statements. This is not because you are not trusted - it's because everyone else just wants to make sure that the article is accurate. Engaging in such an edit war will resulting in blocking (see The Revert Rule) - and it is something that you would want to avoid. -- Chris Lester ^talk 17:18, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Church of England

I am almost certain that Bethany is not a Church of England school. As the article points out, it was founded in 1866 by Joseph Kendon and the assets of the charity which is Bethany's legal entity are controlled ultimately by a committee of governors. It has similar aims, objectives and beliefs, perhaps, as the Church of England, but it is wholly independant.--BMT 18:14, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

The Independent Schools Council profile of Bethany states that it is affiliated with the Church of England.[1] Raker 06:11, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

The Charities Commission, indicates otherwise, Bethany School's objects are stated as

TO CARRY ON AT GOUDHURST, KENT, AND ELSEWHERE, A SCHOOL OR SCHOOLS FOR THE EDUCATION OF BOYS AND GIRLS, TO GIVE THEM GENERAL OR 
SPECIALISED INSTRUCTION OF THE HIGHEST CLASS, INCLUDING PROVISION FOR THE EDUCATION AND TRAINING OF INTENDING ENTRANTS TO ANY OF 
THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS OR COLLEGES, OR ANY OTHER SCHOOLS UNIVERSITIES OR EDUCATIONAL ESTABLISHMENTS. 

Whereas a genuine CoE school, Ashley Church of England School has the following objects

SCHOOL TO BE MAINTAINED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PRINCIPLES OF THE CHURCH OF ENGLAND.

Furthermore, if you read through the documents associated with Bethany's entry it is quite clear that no parent organisation is involved. Bethany does have an Anglican ethos and may associate with CoE but I would think it a loose association at best, if I may be so bold I would say that ISC are wrong. --BMT 09:02, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Disambiguation

It seems to me that the current situation of the Bethany School being a disambiguation page is not appropriate, this Bethany School is larger, better known, and to be frank, a more extensive article. Since there is only one other Bethany I propose replacing the disambiguation page with a disambiguation link as per Wikipedia's policy. --BMT 18:25, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

I've moved things about it - for the better imho. --BMT 13:36, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] unsourced information

Chris Lester (and for that matter Raker). I have noticed that you both enjoy singling out information regarding sports for removal. Whether or not you have a vested interest (other than the improvment of accuracy in wikipedia) for doing this, i would appreciate you not removing it straight but rather adding a "citation needed". I have noticed your disregard for other areas of the article that could be deemed necessary for sourcing —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.9.70.162 (talk) 20:59, 31 January 2007 (UTC).

Then you would be kind enough to fix them up! I'll get there when I have the time. I do not believe that Squash is often seen by pupils as a 'cop out' activity, for the majority of pupils who would rather not be doing any activity at all will choose this. Quite often, when participating in matches against other schools or against other houses within the school, pupils who don't normal play squash will on these occasions play for Bethany is fair. Does a possible citation exist (i.e. have you conducted a survey, etc. or not) - I doubt it. Even so, I'd say this information is not needed, is irrelevant, and seems to me like you are using this as a method to attack something and propagate your view on something. An "unsourced" tag is no excuse to hide behind - see Wikipedia:Verifiability. -- Chris Lester ^talk 12:40, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Bethany crest.jpg

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