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[edit] Adding tones to pinyin

I fully support your addition of tone diacriticals to pinyin on Wiki! Jiāyóu! BTW, pls consider adding your voice to the discussion in section 2.1.1 here.Dragonbones 04:16, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pinyin article title moves

I notice you've been moving a lot of articles to the titles in pinyin with diacritics. I'm not sure that's a good idea. See discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Manual of Style (China-related articles)>Wikipedia_talk:Naming conventions (Chinese). - Nat Krause^(Talk!) 00:02, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Making changes on David Keirsey

I noticed you rejected my changes and additions to my father's (David Keirsey) page. In general I don't try to interfere with people's additions or changes to my father's page, except when I feel they are adding wrong or confusing information. In that case I try to correct or clarify the added material. If you are interested in relating Carl Jung's work to my father's and Isabel Myers, please make sure that you know what you are talking about. And if you are going to reject changes, make sure that you have a solid basis for doing so. Giving more credit to Jung for Myers work or misleading statements about Jung's influence on my father's ideas, are not acceptable to me. Edit wars on Wikipedia are not productive. To give you an example of misleading information -- "the sixteen types" and their descriptions was from Isabel -- Jung did not have any notion of "sixteen types" -- your writings had implied or at least did not make it clear -- many people attribute too much to Jung, than rather Myers, and unfortunately there is too much attribution of Jung ideas influencing my father also holds for my father's work too.

I can understand that you have strong personal opinions about what should be in an article about your father. However, this is an encyclopedia article, governed by standards of documented fact, not personal feelings, per Wikipedia policy. The source of the sixteen types, Jung's 1921 "Psychological Types," has already been cited in this article. If you read it, you will see clearly that this is the basis of Myers' work. Furthermore, Myers' book "Gifts Differing" also makes it clear that the inventory she and Briggs developed was an implementation of Jung's definitions. Bertport 20:09, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

I agree it is not a matter of feelings -- but by standards of documented facts. The references are fine, more the better. Notice I didn't delete that, on my edit. Although there is no such thing as an objective point of view, implied by facts. Everybody has their own point of view and bias(despite the "ideal" of Wikipedia policy) The fact is Katherine and Isabel acknowledged Jung's influence on their work, but "implementation of Jung's definitions" does not consider the fact that the sixteen types described by Isabel Myers (in the Myers Briggs Manual Form E, pages 70-71, 1958) is not a "mere" implementation of Jung's confusing ideas in Psychological Types. There is no place in Psychological Types that he mentions sixteen types of people -- he talks abstractly about many things - thinking, feeling, introversion, extroversion, intuition, and sensation. But you are short changing Myers in your prose, confusing the reader, and making it as though my father's ideas are based on Jung directly. Jung had very little influence on my father, on the positive. He had read Jung's Psychological Types, before encountering Myers, and didn't find any use for it. If you want to give credit to Jung, which he does deserve, I suggest you focus on -- his opposing of Freud's nonsense, and suggesting that there "types" (unfortunately he used the word "archetypes" to confuse the issue.) http://users.viawest.net/~keirsey/difference.html

Again, Myers herself, in Gifts Differing, asserts that these are Jungian types. Her work is, nonetheless, significant and influential, as is Kiersey's. That doesn't change the well-documented fact that Myers and Briggs were applying Jung's theory of psychological types. I am aware that Kiersey connected with Myers' writings much better than with Jung's. That doesn't change the fact, attested to by Myers herself, that her own work is based on Jung's. To say that the system of types was originally created from Jung is not to say that Keirsey relied on Jung directly. It is your ideas, your logic, and your writing, that are confused. This article was a mess before I waded in to clean it up into something correct and readable. Bertport 01:07, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

The article is a composition of numerous individuals as are all wikipedia articles -- the prose is the result of a "committee" -- they are not my ideas, my logic, and all my writing -- only by evolution does the article get better (and sometimes worse). I appreciate your interest and I only try to correct things that I see which are out of wack or not correct, sometimes simple things like misspelling of the Keirsey name ;-) This is not the article I would write about my father. Peace.

[edit] AfD nomination of Buddhist polemics

[edit] May 2008

Please do not delete content or templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to Tibet during the Ming Dynasty, without explaining the valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your content removal does not appear constructive, and has been reverted. Please make use of the sandbox if you'd like to experiment with test edits. Thank you. Steve Crossin (talk) (review) 16:07, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Tibet during the Ming Dynasty. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. If necessary, pursue dispute resolution. Rjd0060 (talk) 16:26, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] RE: Tibet during the Ming Dynasty

I would encourage the involved users to pursue Dispute Resolution. Edit warring is disruptive, and doesn't solve anything. - Rjd0060 (talk) 16:38, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Hello Bertport, I have recently moved LaGrandefr's clunky tables down to their own section at the end, as they were a complete eyesore and distraction in the "Assertions in the Mingshi" section of the article. I'd like to get your opinion of this on the talk page in the relevant talk page section on tables that you started.--Pericles of Athens^Talk 20:20, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Tibet during the Ming Dynasty

Recently, User:Collectonian has opposed the candidacy of Tibet during the Ming Dynasty as a featured article. One of the reasons he chose to oppose the article was that it lacked stability and people were still in disagreement about the title of the article.

Yesterday, I stated on the talk page of the article that I was not opposed to LaGrandefr's suggestion that the title could be changed, and I offered "Tibetan history during the Ming Dynasty", which was slightly different from his suggestion of "in the Ming Dynasty". I was wondering, since you opposed him in moving the article's title earlier, if you would weigh in and offer your opinion of "Tibetan history during the Ming Dynasty"?

Thank you.--Pericles of Athens^Talk 01:42, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

HELL NO! I have free access to JSTOR through my university, George Mason University. Like hell I would pay them that kind of money, those highway robbers. Lol. Don't even worry about JSTOR; I've scoured it, and they don't have anything about Tibet during the Ming Dynasty. My younger junior-year-in-college sister, on the other hand, has just informed me that she owns some incredible books on Tibetan Buddhism and one on the history of the Yellow Hat sect! Those should be good once I get my hands on them.--Pericles of Athens^Talk 16:13, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Flap Jack Kerouac

Yeah, I've got 'em, I just don't have time to go through all my materials today. They shall be forth-coming. Please don't revert it. If you just HAVE to, please, please, please, copy it and put in my talk section before you do, b/c I do have sources. Also, and this doesn't pertain to anything I've done so far, but do you think pictures of historical documents you take count as sources? They have a huge Beat exhibit in my town, Austin, including the scroll of On the Road and I've going back to get tons of pictures. I'm kinda doubting it. --Leodmacleod 3:17, 8 May 2008

[edit] Mediation Cabal

Well, well, well. It looks like our old pal LaGrandefr is up to some dirty tricks again; you should at least take a look, his allegations are rather humorous (as usual). If you look here, he's been trying for the past week to have the both of us (and everybody but administrators) blocked from editing Tibet during the Ming Dynasty. His latest comment was just yesterday, while we were simultaneously expanding the article and making major improvements.--Pericles of Athens^Talk 16:52, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I saw this a few days ago. However, it looked to me like the people he was appealing to were probably getting a pretty good take on the situation. I also went back and read through the Talk page on TdtMD, and I thought a reasonable, unbiased third party would be skeptical of LaGrandefr. Bertport (talk) 17:31, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Did you notice, too, on Steve Crossin's user page, LG gave him a "diff" (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tibet_during_the_Ming_Dynasty&diff=210717906&oldid=209722180) that skipped 130 intermediate revisions, as evidence that you were doing something bad, he just couldn't say exactly what, to his work? Bertport (talk) 17:41, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

No, actually I had not seen that! Hahaha! What a tool. ;)--Pericles of Athens^Talk 20:26, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Hey, I just responded to your email you sent 4 days ago. Sorry for being so late!--Pericles of Athens^Talk 16:33, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Rolfing

Funny name, isn't it? Added some sources here. HTH --Faith (talk) 19:02, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Help to preserve

Help to preserve Serfdom in Tibet .

They have edited out almost everything, there were 2 comments from Charles Bell about slavery, Amban, and Cumulus Clouds edited out the one mentioning children being sold as slaves, however left the one says slavery was mild.

[edit] Thank You.

Thanks for fixing my last edit/addition to the 'Beats' section on "Kenneth Rexroth". I sort of rushed the line, whch accounts for my having left out the correct linkage and punctuations. I understand now that one must post with a clear head, haha. I just saw red when I realised that the user "RepublicanJacobite" had removed it and also sent me a terse vandalism warning. You know, every now and then, one runs into a half-wit like "RepublicanJacobite", who feel and treat the Wiki entry as their own personal fiefdom, to add and subtract information, FACTUAL information when it doesnt jibe with their distorted world view.Its like trying to edit , say, the "American Muslim" page, where those with dogmatic agendas immediately erase any facual or historical additions. I'm a little worried this joker might try and block my usage...is there any chance for this? How does one block another user? How do I report this guy? Its obvious from his Wik-history that this fellow is short on academics and long on fawning and/or speculative puffery. Any help would be appreciated....you can even email me at, garagehero@yahoo.com Thanks. Garagehero (talk) 00:38, 8 June 2008 (UTC)