Talk:Bertie Cooper
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[edit] Birthdate
The WA government has a Pioneers List in which you can search for birth, marriage and death information from the early years of WA. Do a birth search for Bertie Cooper and it clearly shows 1892 as the year of registration of his birth. The-Pope (talk) 09:13, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
- I am actully a relative of cooper. we have a lot of info about him and i am very proud
--Homies236 (talk) 12:43, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
Unless the info that you have is from a reliable source, which generally means published somewhere, you can't use it. I am not related, and I've managed to find out his army death notice, a listing from the WAFL of his games played and that he was captain in 1913 and 1915 and now his birth registration: "COOPER BERTIE FREDERICK, Father: GEORGE, Mother: FENNELL EMMA, Place of Birth: FREMANTLE, Reg #:493, Year: 1892 [1]. I can tell you that he had two younger sisters and three older sisters and two older brothers. All from reliable sources. Unless you can quote a more reliable source, you simply can't keep changing it. I can't write "Matthew Pavlich is Fremantle's greatest ever player" unless someone else reliable has done so. Wikipedia doesn't care what you or I think. It's want to print what others have researched. Do you have a birth certificate, a letter or just the memory of a relative? This is an encylopedia, not a memorial website or a family history one. To be brutally honest, if someone claimed that he wasn't notable enough, we'd struggle to keep him in - captaining the Dogs might just keep him as at the time the WAFL was one of the main leagues in the country, but I had a huge fight on keeping the David Gault article last year. I hope you stick around and contribute to some other articles, not just this one, but you need to read the rules, guidelines and see what the standards are and work within them, not just doing your own thing. The-Pope (talk) 13:58, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
- Bertie Cooper is my great, great, great uncle and we have records and pictures of him. In a SFFC record book it said Cooper was14 when he played in 1910, making him born in 1895 or 96
--Homies236 (talk) 01:16, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
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- The SFFC record must be wrong. A search for births with surname Cooper between 1890 and 1899 at the WA Pioneer List shows a Bertie Frederick Cooper with father George and mother Emma was registered at Fremantle in 1892. His armed forces death record has his age as 23 and 6 months when he was killed in 1916, and also matches the names of his parents from the birth registration. There is a list of young players at the WAFL, and Cooper isn't listed in that list (with 15 being the youngest player to ever play WAFL). There is simply no RELIABLE evidence that he was born in 1896, and LOTS of reliable, correlating evidence that he was born in 1892. So please stop changing it. The-Pope (talk) 06:55, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
