Talk:Bernhard Müller

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BTW: Kostheim was not Germany in 1799 it was french....--Symposiarch (talk) 08:53, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes, but no one is actually sure as to what year Bernhard Müller was born (hence the circa 1799 mention on his date of birth, a date which was listed as a possible circa date on this German language website[1].) Müller may have been born before the French Revolutionary army occupied Mainz in 1792. I think it's a good possibility he was born before that time, and I'll explain why in a moment. Also, he may have been born elsewhere too, because so little is really known about him. What is known is that he spoke German and spent time in Germany, for example, in Frankfurt am Main in 1816, he predicted that Christ would appear in human form, and in Würzburg the same year, he was arrested, detained and interrogated along with some of his followers.[2] If that is so, then he would've been 17 years old at that time, if he was really born around 1799, which has me thinking that he was probably born a decade or two earlier than 1799. Maybe 1789, or 1779. Who knows? It seems he may have made certain claims in order to fulfill certain "prophesies" believed by some folks at that time. Some things about this man are shrouded in mystery, not only because of the length of time since the events surrounding him occurred, but also because it seems he claimed a lot of "mystical" things about himself that weren't provable or couldn't be backed up by evidence. At any rate, in 1831, Müller visited the Harmony Society, a religious, pietist, communal group of German immigrants lead by Johann Georg Rapp who had settled in Economy, Pennsylvania, in the United States. The rest of that story can basically be read on the main page of this article as well as various pages relating to the history of the Harmony Society. I don't know if this clears anything up or not, but I hope it shows the subject in light of the times in which he was a part. Thank you for your interest and participation with this article. Geneisner (talk) 06:50, 10 June 2008 (UTC)