Talk:Bernd Fasching

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This article was nominated for deletion on 27 February 2007. The result of the discussion was Keep.

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This reads like a puff by the artist, not an objective account. Tyrenius 02:25, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

The article is a 100 % translation from the german Wikipedia. It is not put up for discussion there, and the german admins are very fussy! [Bernd Fasching at German Wikipedia] --Moerd 15:08, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

How is notability established? All we have is a personal web site. Bus stop 16:18, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm afraid that we make independent judgements on the English Wikipedia. Tyrenius 21:48, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

You don't need to read German to see that the links and references are the same as the English version, so the same standards do apply. It would be different if the sources appeared to be books, articles or websites quite different than the English version. Again, this would be easy to figure out even if you're a monoglot like me. Freshacconci 21:53, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

You've lost me! Are you saying because it's on the German Wiki, we should keep it on the English Wiki? That is not what is usually done. We make an assessment here. It might be a rogue article on the German one, and get deleted next week. There might be a different value judgement. Certainly, if this article is an accurate translation, there there is a different value judgement. Tyrenius 22:12, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

No, I think I've muddled up the discussion more than anything. I was trying to say that we shouldn't keep it on English wiki just because the German's keep their version. My comments basically meant that the German version was easy to decipher and we could see that there weren't different sources there. But it's a moot point since Moerd basically said that it was a direct translation in his first sentence. So everybody can just disregard my garble. Freshacconci 22:21, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Several sources are included now on both English and German Version --Moerd 11:04, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

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Copied from User talk:Tyrenius:

Thank you for your readiness to improve the article. English is not my first language, so I'm always happy to have people who correct spelling, grammar, and syntax. If you try to improve the matter of the article, I'm pleased too! But be careful, please! Your last changes or the article about Bernd Fasching led to misunderstandings. You removed exactly these parts that count in the world of art history. So I canceled most of your changes. Thank you for your understanding, greetings from Austria, --Moerd 09:19, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Please note I have reverted your edit. You are writing it like a personal essay, with interpretation that is not referenced. This is not a promotion of the artist to "count in the world of art history". It is a wikipedia article and must follow wikipedia policies. For example:

• set a landmark in the history of art This is WEASEL wording. Who said it set a landmark?
• constituting a vivid contemplation on the continuity and the breaks in history. So is this. Who says it constitutes a vivid contemplation?
• following the performances of the antique hero, - who said this is what he did?

Where is your authority for saying such things? You must follow wikipedia policies of WP:ATT and WP:NPOV.

Tyrenius 03:07, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

at: set a landmark in the history of art: Ok. Anyone should build his opinion for himself. I understand the need to avoid WEASEL but you shouldn't be too fanatic in this point. It WAS a landmark because if the Roman Catholic Church (you know that guys who only think in centuries to make decisions) opens the doors of one of its oldest and most important cathedrals for the first time for an exhibition of a non-traditional, living (and casually jewish) artist you could compare it with an earthquake! This is self-explanatory and needs no further evidence! Or is it necessary to refer to Sir Isaac Newton to prove that rain is falling down?

at: constituting a vivid contemplation on the continuity and the breaks in history. & following the performances of the antique hero,: Bernd Fasching said this himself. He told me when we talked about the projects. These are his thoughts and his motivations. First-hand account, no interpretation! I'll try to point this out by redesigning this passage.

--Moerd 12:22, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

What you are proposing is forbidden as original research. Per WP:ATT you have to find acceptable secondary sources to reference any claims. Tyrenius 03:47, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

I understand. So I have to wait till the new book illustrating his work from 1997 to 2006 will be issued (probably in 2008). Thank you for your guidance. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Moerd (talk • contribs) 10:08, 26 March 2007 (UTC).