Talk:Bernard of Clairvaux

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[edit] Quick review

Lead at five paragraphs is rather long. Insufficienct citations for A-Class, although acknowledgably GA is different. Image of Abelard and Heloise is frankly questionable. John Carter (talk) 20:24, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

At first glance, I would cut the Abelard and the Roger II images - I don't think they add to the article enough to outweigh the feeling that the article is a little image-cluttered (especially since these images do not directly relate to Bernard's life). I agree with John, and would also suggest trimming the lead, probably cutting 2 paragraphs. Pastordavid (talk) 20:28, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

All suggestions taken. Anything else? -- Secisek (talk) 20:42, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

You need to not use the 1913 Catholic Encyclopedia and the book of Saints. The saints book would work for details of his veneration, etc, but isn't going to be considered a NPOV souce for anything at all contentious. And the CE is just plain out of date with modern scholarship. Large sections are unreffed with opinion in them. (the whole first paragraph of early life) You definitely need to update your sourcing. Probably would squeak by at GA, but if I did the review (which I won't because I've commented here) I'd be pretty harsh about it for that. Bernard's way too prominent of a character to be using outdated sources for. It's not like some obscure bishop, this is Bernard of Clairvaux, who started the Second Crusade, and was more influential than popes. (And who, coincidentally, a lot of history students loath, but that's beside the point). Ealdgyth - Talk 02:18, 10 April 2008 (UTC)