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[edit] GDP Per Capita?

Highest in the world in 2005? That's not true.

[edit] External websites

The list is growing again, sort of. User:216.40.64.131 inserted Bermuda Secrets Articles and Forums about Bermuda from a Local's point of view, and delted an article link. Much as I have no issue with the article link being deleted (that section is bloated) the new link seems to be pretty much a one man blog, with the oldest entry about Wednesday last week. Above there is a discussion about a similar link that was removed, so for the moment I'll leave it back here. If there is a good reason why it should be on the front page, then let's have it back. LeeG 23:18, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

  • Agree, blogs have no place there anyway per WP:EL; I previously deleted Limey in Bermuda, etal, for the same reason... JGHowes 00:12, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
    • I've just removed it again. If BermudaLover wishes (s)he can come here and discuss why it's not a Blog, but to me it looks like one, and walks like one. I don't see what it adds. I'll pop a note on their talk page. LeeG 02:02, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Link to BermudaSecrets.com

The following discussion is obsolete: bermudasecrets.com is now a linkspam page, it's not even a blog anymore 68.174.110.168 (talk) 16:49, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Not sure why you removed this link. Great Source, Original Content and No advertising or money making purpose on the site. It's very friendly over there in the forums.

www.bermudasecrets.com

BermudaLover - There are a few reasons, if you have a look at WP:EL you'll see that Wikipedia is not about being a link farm, so in general lots of external links in any article are not a good thing. External links need to add something to the article. I think there are too many already listed already, and a few need to be rolled into "references" rather than being a link to an external site. Secondly, it's the applicability of the external site. I won't dispute it's a friendly place, but:

  • it's owned and written by two guys in VA
  • It only has a limited number of articles
  • It is skewed to a US reader (i.e. about US dollars, only US airlines listed etc.)

Thirdly, it is essentially a blog, and external links to blogs are not encouraged. As JGHowes points out, we don't link to blogs such as Limey in Bermuda[1], Politics.bm [2], or imho.bm [3]. All of those have information on the place (agreed Limey is on sabbatical, but still). If you feel a bit put upon, please also note that black and coke [4] and (see above) Bermuda4U [5] don't get a look in either.
Oh, please "sign" your posts with four tilde (~) characters. This pops your name, a link to your pages, and the time after the quote, so we all know who said what and when. LeeG 22:05, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Archive time?

This page is getting a bit long - any objections to me archiving down to "External Websties"? LeeG 22:05, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Resounding silence, consider it done. LeeG 00:40, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] What colour ocean?

A citation request was placed about the claim that Bermuda has cerulean blue oceans. Well, if you look at the two photographs on the page, there you go! I can also assure you that, by looking out of my window, we have oceans ranging from a light turquoise over the sand (for example Whaler Bay or Tobacco Bay), through to deep blue once you fall off the atoll shelf and into deep ocean. It's down partially to algae, partially to the salts in the ocean, and partially to the pink sand close to the surface. Sadly "because I can see it" would count as original research, so I can't cite that as a source. Anyhow, what I'm heading for is that I've removed the citation tag, using the principle of Res ipsa loquitur. A copy of this is on the user concerned's talk page. LeeG 22:17, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

And are you sure that the citation request was for the colour of the ocean, and not the claim that "Bermuda is the only island in the world to boast pink sand...", in contradiction to La Orchila and Wikipedia guidelines? 02:16, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
No, which is why I popped the question back here on the talk page. I've removed the claim to only island. LeeG 10:34, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
I was requesting a citation for the claim that "Bermuda is the only island in the world to boast [...]". Pritchard 05:24, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
In which case, I think it's dealt with! Cheers. LeeG 10:08, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Triangle

It should be mentioned somewhere in the article. --thedemonhog 03:42, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Why?02:18, 16 March 2007 (UTC)


I think it iss ok to mention it. It is known worldwide in legend, and Bermuda is one of the three points. Overseas in meeting strangers, I commonly say I live in Bermuda. If I get a look of confusion, I mention the triangle...at which point I always see a moment of recognition from the stranger. It is a useful note, since most people have at least heard of it, even if their not sure what it is. Anyhow, I dont see why a well made paragraph mentioning the history behind the legend and explaining its dimensions is not warranted. --Amsterdamned (talk) 12:26, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] John Rolfe

Do we really need this much information about his particular life in an article about Bermuda? It's almost word-for-word the article on Bermuda_Hundred_(Town), which itself contains too much inconsequential information. WMGoBuffs 14:39, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Another adversing link out

I removed this:

As for me, it's an advertising link, which is against policy. LeeG 21:03, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Portuguese

I took out the bit in the infobox about Portuguese because it looked silly having "official languages" of "English (official) and Portuguese", but Portuguese is a clear second language, ATMs, for example, have it as an option after English. Any ideas on where to sneak this in? LeeG 02:12, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Does anyone actually speak it day-today? Are any signs in that language? If not I wouldn't have thought the infobox would be the place to mention it just because the CIA says it's spoken. Biofoundationsoflanguage 09:52, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
I've just looked up on google and apparently there are going to be some portuguese language cable television channels in Bermuda because of the sizeable Portuguese population in Bermuda. Does a 'sizeable population' of foreign speaking persons qualify inclusion on the infobox? There are quite a few arabic speakers in the UK but that hasn't been mentioned on the UK infobox. Biofoundationsoflanguage 09:58, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Of course there are cases and cases....the Arabic minority in UK doesn´t have political, social, historical and cultural influence in UK as much as the Portuguese in Bermuda, which are there more or less since 1840. Is Spanish a important minority language in the US? Yes, because it´s the same case of the Portuguese in Bermuda. And, I think that CIA site is reliable, also, it´s a strong and reliable source... Emerson —Preceding unsigned comment added by Domaleixo (talk • contribs) 17:13, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

There are no Portugese language street signs anywhere in Bermuda, nor are there any Portugese-language radio/TV stations or newspapers. It is not recognized as an official language by the Government of Bermuda. There are certainly many people of Portugese ancestry scattered throughout Bermuda, of whom the older generation can speak Portugese as a second language. But no defined Portugese "region" or "neighborhood". It would be no more accurate to describe Portugese as regional language of Bermuda than to say that Polish is a regional language of the U.S. because people of Polish ancestry live in Chicago and Baltimore. JGHowes talk - 18:25, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] DST

I've been doing research for a listing of countries in the world with DST and it seems as though I've seen conflicting views regarding Bermudas. This external time zone website says that they do, this page says they do not and this Wikipedia page says they don't. I'm not sure who's correct, and I was hoping that somoene from Bermuda would update the information box. Thanks Tanner65 13:08, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

?? Bermuda does observe Daylight Saving Time, as correctly reflected by Bermuda's listing in UTC-4 under Single zone countries with DST. I do not find any contradiction in either article. JGHowes talk - 14:34, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
Well now you have me recalling the letters from Millie Millicent about 10 years ago from the Royal Gazette exactlyon the subject of daylight saving time. Yes it certainly does lol Candy 18:54, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Clarification of this passage?

From "Role in International Relations" section of article


"During the Boer Wars many Canadian sympathizers were amongst the near 5,000 prisoners sent by the British from South Africa to Bermuda's smaller islands to be held as prisoners. This was not Canadians only connection with the Island however; it is claimed that Samuel Champlain de Brouage, who would found Quebec in 1608, has sighted Bermuda in 1600 and thought the Island to be too dangerous to inhabit. He was probably correct considering the vast natural reefs that surrond the Island which claimed the lives of many sailors. It was for the fact that Bermuda was so isolated that the British decided to use the territory as a prison to prevent the captives from returning to fight.[6]"

I can't find more information about this in the footnote provided, but it seems to need more explanation. Is it saying that there were Canadians who settled in South Africa and sympathnized with the Boers and were deported to Bermuda? Huh? This sounds intriguing. What were so many Canadian Boer sympathizers doing in South Africa? I'd like more info on this episode. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.225.173.163 (talk) 05:01, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Me too. thx1138 (talk) 06:04, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
I can't find anything about Canadians fighting on the Boer side in the Boer Wars, so I took that part out. According to the Second Boer War article, the British did send some Boer

POWs to Bermuda, so I added that to this article. thx1138 (talk) 06:41, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

This raises a very good point. The reference to the Boer War was added on September 22, but the reference cited is basically a commercial website and not a reliable source meeting WP:V. I can't find any reliable source that supports the statement that POWs were sent to Bermuda. The Philatelic Society reference cited in the Second Boer War article is questionable, so I've removed this paragraph until a reliable source is found for it. JGHowes talk - 09:47, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bermudian English

FYI, please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bermudian English. --A. B. (talk) 01:52, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fourth oldest parliament?

"In 1620, a Royal Assent granted Bermuda limited self-governance, thus making Bermuda's Parliament the fourth oldest in the world, behind only England, Iceland and Poland[6]"

I'm not so sure about that claim? What about the Isle of Man's Tynwald? Dan (talk) 12:28, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Climate

If anyone has access to a source of annual climate data, I would like to see it included in this article. Alan.ca (talk) 19:02, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Portuguese as Regional Language

The infobox claims that Portuguese is a regional language of Bermuda, however the footnote 4 links nowhere... Can anyone please verify this information? Khuft (talk) 19:05, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

It´s the footnote number 3, not numer 4. The source is the CIA World Factbook. Check there.

Emerson

[edit] Religion?

What Religion are the residents'? Mention is made of Parishes and Easter, but there are no figures or other specific info. AleXd (talk) 12:37, 21 March 2008 (UTC)