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DYK (Re:LPI Media)

Updated DYK query On 3 January 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article LPI Media, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Carabinieri (talk) 20:53, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Woo hoo! Thank you! Benjiboi 20:57, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Tillie K. Fowler

I notice that you recently tagged the Tillie K. Fowler article for lack of in-line citations. Part of the reason for the lack of in-line citations is the apparent disappearance of User:DaveWGilliland, who was a major contributor to the article prior to his last edit in January, 2007. I have recently discussed this situation with another major contributor to the article, User:Jeffpw. --TommyBoy (talk) 02:52, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

No worries, I've been doing a lot of bios lately and tagged it so any potential editors would see that it does have references their just listed as sources and not inline citations. It certainly looks OK to me just needs general clean-up and adding in-line citations. If the tag is problematic feel free to move it to the talk page. Benjiboi 16:49, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of DJ Pusspuss

An editor has nominated DJ Pusspuss, an article on which you have worked or that you created, for deletion. We appreciate your contributions, but the nominator doesn't believe that the article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion and has explained why in his/her nomination (see also "What Wikipedia is not").

Your opinions on whether the article meets inclusion criteria and what should be done with the article are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/DJ Pusspuss and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~).

You may also edit the article during the discussion to improve it but should not remove the articles for deletion template from the top of the article; such removal will not end the deletion debate. Thank you. BJBot (talk) 07:44, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

  • Me thinks you got stalked in regards to this article... -- ALLSTARecho 16:55, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
By who, and oh well, it was on my list to be cleaned-up anyway! Everytime someone's targeted one of my articles I always double up adding refs to it anyway! Benjiboi 17:23, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
By its AfD nominator, the same person that started this: Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard#Flavio Alves. -- ALLSTARecho 17:27, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
Yes, thank you for pointing it out, they are bordering on harassment of me I'm afraid. Maybe it's a huge coincidence but confrontational editing doesn't seem to jive with consensus building. Benjiboi 20:25, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Britney

OMG...just...OMG! Jeffpw (talk) 13:35, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

High as a kite! And in pic 10, I noticed they got leg restraints on her! lmao She was in another world! -- ALLSTARecho 15:46, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
Yes, she did need to be restrained after she got aggressive with the paramedics. 72 hour psych hold at Cedars-Sinai. All too horrible for words. That anyone could laugh at this tragedy is beyond me. How you reacted to 9/11 is anybody's guess, AllStar :-S Jeffpw (talk) 15:52, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
Let's just wait on Chris Crocker's memo on how tragic her flip-out really is. I'm not so sure it's anything different than any other flip-out. As for 9/11, in the words of Afroman, that illustrious rapper from Mississippi, "then I got high"... -- ALLSTARecho 16:17, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
I shouldn't repeat this, but I read somebody quoted as saying of that day, "Christ! I heard 'It's raining Men" on the radio, but I didn't realize it was the actual weather report!" Jeffpw (talk) 16:21, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
~speechless~ -- ALLSTARecho 16:27, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
Yea, I'm reserving judgment on a lot of it. Didn't we learn from Michael Jackson and so many other young young children that it's a bit unhealthy to make them into stars before they hit puberty? I mean are we really surprised when they act outside the societal box when they never seemed to have a normal life to begin with? And I also won't take TMZ's word on anything but the barest of details, It was her, she was in an ambulance, she was upset. I can only imagine what pretense the paramedics were called in on and how they behaved. And why would Britney be upset if absolutely every shred of her most personal and embarrassing moments were photographed and resold internationally? Hopefully she'll be fine and turn it all around. In this case I have to agree with Crocker that we don't really want to kill off another Anna Nicole. Benjiboi 17:31, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
I couldn't agree with you more, Benjiboi. I am one of Britney's biggest fans. I don't know about you, but I said a hallelujah when I saw that she was covered up in the video and her nether regions were not exposed. That said, they are now saying it is a psychotic breakdown. And that's not from TMZ, that's straight from People.com. Sigh. Poor Britney. Those poor kids. And yes, the article here is updated with all the sourced facts. Glad somebody wasn't too shocked to chronicle this latest scandal. Jeffpw (talk) 20:03, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
Well in a cynical mode one could be excused for car-wreck voyeurism. Unless she's a brilliant media whore my hunch is she is going through a very rough patch of growing older without growing mature. Most do this in private without their every misstep chronicled. I can't say I'm a fan of hers although I do like a lot of her latest album and some of the remixes of her old stuff hold up well. Like Madonna I think she's a video star and performance trouper. Those talents haven't translated into all areas of her work and maybe, just maybe, she's completely fried being yet another blond pop star constantly compared to others who are each more talented in one respect or another. And evn Paris seems more stable and grounded and isn't that saying a lot! Benjiboi 20:23, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Matt Sanchez's Acceptable Homophobia

Why are the following remarks by Matt NOT outrageous and bigotted enough to have him banned? Or is it only worth the effort if he makes personal attacks against individuals?

"Faggot is very important as it's a symbol of how desperate the proponents of the gay agenda have become and how homosexuals typically use identity politics as a justification for pretty much anything. No part of smearing me made sense except in the venereal diseased mind of radicals on a self-righteous jihad." Matt Sanchez (talk) 09:32, 5 January 2008 (UTC "...although gay culture, entertainment and pass-time is by definition pornographic." Matt Sanchez (talk) 10:01, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Is it acceptable to continually attack both friendly and non-friendly, gay and atraight editors who attempt to tell Matt's story accurately as 'smearing him' due to 'venereal-diseased mind of radicals on a self-righteous jihad' as long as he doesn't ridicule individual's user names with childish homophobia-based modifications? Would it be OK to to speak of black culture as "by definition low class" for example as long as no editor is directly called "ni__er"?

Originally considered becoming an editor on Wikipedia months ago, but decided not to "wrestle with pigs" as the old saying goes....you seem to stress out about the nasty atmosphere on Wikipedia as well, why continue, without demanding civility from those like Matt? Didn't you participate in his useless RfC ? (Seriously interested in your thoughts, please answer here OK, since I'm not a 'real' editor.)

I don't edit for the homophobes I do it for the kids who are different and those who can be their allies to keep them alive long enough for them to escape from life-threatening situations. Sadly it's all too serious, kids are attacked every day and if I can help make a difference then I feel it's worth it. To me the Sanchez article is textbook internalized homophobia. And if American culture was at the point where being gay and bisexual and transgender and intersex is just another aspect of who you are and not some culturally politicized issue to be voted on by the majority. The day when it doesn't matter who you love but that you love comes is when things are headed in the right direction. Benjiboi 15:24, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the response. 'You're a better man than I Benjiboi.' I couldn't agree with your sentiments and cause more, but don't have the stomach for it....I might do serious harm to myself or others if I was a front line warrior....intolerance makes me completely intolerant...hatred makes me hateful. Perhaps I need a new hobby than lurking here at Wikipedia. My apologies for 'getting in your face' -- noticed you had just changed your stance on his RfC, and, as stated, you're doing more for the cause here on Wikipedia than I....Best of Luck. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.102.174.251 (talk) 16:01, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
You said he has an open RfC? Got a link? -- ALLSTARecho 15:30, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Try Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Bluemarine. Benjiboi 15:35, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#User:Bluemarine.2FUser:Mattsanchez_again -- ALLSTARecho 16:22, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

FYI: He's been blocked indefinitely per Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Recommending_indefinite_ban. -- ALLSTARecho 17:23, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

FFYI: "Once a Marine, always a Marine - unless you are gay." <--that userbox.. I made the change to the userbox myself and it wasn't related to Matt. The "unless you are gay" part I put in the userbox and linked it to don't ask, don't tell. I figured since the template was in WP main space and not in userspace, it was freely open to editing. However, having since noticed it's only being used by one user now, I have sent it to TfD. -- ALLSTARecho 01:05, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration#Matt_Sanchez

I'm refering the Matt Sanchez matter over to the Arbitration Committee. Given your involvement with the Matt Sanchez article, you might want to comment on whether they should accept or reject the case. WjBscribe 04:30, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Further

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Bluemarine

An Arbitration case has been opened, and is located here. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Bluemarine/Evidence. Please submit your evidence within one week, if possible. Also see Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Bluemarine/Workshop. -- ALLSTARecho 05:18, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Start Crash Worship music stub

extensive discography, some YouTube as well. Use quotes and google. Benjiboi

moved to todo list. Benjiboi 10:29, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Trapped in the Closet (South Park)

No gay double entendres for Trapped in the Closet (South Park)? Research, write reffed paragraph and tag for LGBT. Benjiboi

Moved to todo Benjiboi 10:36, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Gaydar - format references

After formatting eyeball assessments for next steps.Benjiboi

done.

Find original articles and link to those for first four refs. Benjiboi

moved to todo Benjiboi 10:36, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Diva's article

Formerly the Motherlode, the t-girl bar, int'l customers, strippers, Redbook may be a resource. Benjiboi

Redbook a dismal forum and gossip site, don't bother. Numerous sites bookmarked under wikiworld. Benjiboi
Moved to todo Benjiboi 10:36, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Start Biological Exuberance: Animal Homosexuality and Natural Diversity

Bagemihl's book, research book reviews worldwide for criticisms, impact etc. Benjiboi

moved to todo Benjiboi 10:38, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Bored? general clean-up, formatting on Taurus (astrology) et al

Taurus (astrology) Alphabetize and add b-days to notables list. Benjiboi

Leave it for other editor's unique approach to manifest. Benjiboi 10:44, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Reply

Re: your comments here - I would have, only one intermediate revision was made by yourself. Sorry for any confusion. Cheers, --Pumpmeup 11:51, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

No problem. I thought i had screwed soething up as I had just moments earlier added that section then it was ... gone! Lol.mistake do happen. Benjiboi 11:54, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Parents, Families and Friends of Lesbians and Gays

Format refs Benjiboi

todo'd Benjiboi 13:10, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Global Language Monitor

Format refs. Benjiboi

todo'd Benjiboi 13:11, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Media portrayal of lesbianism

clean-up and DYK Benjiboi

DYK expired Benjiboi 13:11, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Judy Garland as gay icon

scholar search, add refs asap and DYK. Benjiboi

DYK done Benjiboi 13:12, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

build RSVP Vacations

no rush Benjiboi

todo'd Benjiboi 13:16, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

build HIV Plus

no rush. Benjiboi

todo'd Benjiboi 13:16, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

build Gay prom

http://www.gayprom.org/ no rush Benjiboi

todo'd Benjiboi 13:15, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

create bio Anne-christine D'Adesky

warning, major project

todo'd Benjiboi 13:18, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

LPI Media on DYK

  • ...that LPI Media is the largest publisher of gay and lesbian material in the United States with its magazines alone having more than 8.2 million copies distributed each year? Benjiboi
done Benjiboi 13:19, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Posible rainbow flag addition

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200px

Research and add to rainbow flags? Benjiboi

will have to be someone else's project seems many flag variations exist Benjiboi 13:20, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

good job

for messing up chris' talk page history and order of sections--Seriousspender (talk) 15:57, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

  • Just an FYI Benji, I moved from December 2007 archive back to the talk page the section about Buckley since a consensus was never reached and within a few hours of article protection being removed, Reginmund (talk · contribs) came along and removed all of that section from the article. So if anyone messed up the CC talk page order, that would be me I guess, not you. -- ALLSTARecho 16:01, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Actually I think it was Seriousspender who reverted a whole series of edits and formatting in a effort to have the {{editprotected}} section reinstated. To be fair they might not have realized that the article could now be edited. Benjiboi 16:25, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

oh wow and now your blaming others--Seriousspender (talk) 16:05, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

I've left a message for you on your talk page and consider you check that over. Please do not accuse me of blaming "others". I don't know what you're talking about and find such accusations uncalled for. Benjiboi 16:15, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2008 January 8#Category:Queer Wikipedians

I am not sure how WP:IAR applies to the discussion at Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2008 January 8#Category:Queer Wikipedians in that no rule is involved. What rule would be ignored? Hyacinth (talk) 18:53, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Rules of deleting categories. I feel it's ridiculous to spend the community's resources on deleting a category that might help and doesn't seem to be hurting. Benjiboi 00:43, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Invisible barnstar

I, Allstarecho, hereby award you the Invisible Barnstar because all of your hard word to Chris Crocker (Internet celebrity) has become invisible! ;)
I, Allstarecho, hereby award you the Invisible Barnstar because all of your hard word to Chris Crocker (Internet celebrity) has become invisible! ;)
Forgot to say thank you for this! What a cute kitten! Brightened my day indeed. Benjiboi 20:04, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Pusspuss

survived AfD. -- ALLSTARecho 19:58, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes! I had saved a copy just in case. There was two two-hour interviews with DJ Pusspuss but I couldn't access them (sheesh now I have to record and save interviews too!), anyway, the article did look like a link farm and now i can try to re-write it so it's not just a ref farm. Benjiboi 20:02, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Chris Crocker

The talk page is not protected, why do you need an admin? —Random832 17:14, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

I did it anyway. —Random832 17:18, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. In short it's because how the source content s formatted so it would take me roughly 30-50 cut and pastes to your one. Benjiboi 17:49, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

AfD (Re: List of animals displaying homosexual behavior)

Hey Benjiboi, I thought you'd want to know, someone has nominated List of animals displaying homosexual behavior and its "partners" birds and mammals for deletion. Aleta (Sing) 15:17, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you, it won't go anywhere but they can certainly try. Benjiboi 17:33, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
And see my keep comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of animals displaying homosexual behavior. Useful wikilinks for you there. I think you should post something about Wales' praise of you and the article prominently on your userpage! It's not everyday someone gets great comments praising their efforts from the founder of this here establishment. ALLSTARecho 19:02, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
Lol. thank you! I'm reluctant to post such a thing but if I do put together a praise section I might. Benjiboi 19:21, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

PP

Regarding this, Sanchez's block has now expired and he's free to edit anywhere. Just FYI. ALLSTARecho 19:40, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

I think his block is only lifted to expand his being able to address the ongoing arbcom case per [this. I could be wrong but pretty sure he's given that list to specify those pages he's allowed to edit. Benjiboi 19:47, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
From the edit summary here by John, the Arbcom rep handling Sanchez, it appears otherwise. All the extensions of his original block for personal attackes has made it confusing but as I understand it that original block, once ended allows him to edit anywhere. ALLSTARecho 19:52, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
Well we're reffing the same thing, ha! I think technically he could edit anywhere but the parameters of his being allowed to edit at all is that he's restricted to that list. I guess we'll soon find out! Benjiboi 19:58, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Transsexualism

clean and archive talk page then ref clean-up (convert from Harvard). Benjiboi 02:52, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Sanchez/Beauchamp

Sorry about that; I stopped watching the Sanchez page when I bowed out in November, and I didn't read all of the talk page cross-talk when I started watching it again two days ago, so I hadn't noticed that it had actually been discussed, rather than just dumped on the page. It looks like the article is going to be retained, which is unfortunate. Since Sanchez is likely to be indef-banned regardless of the disposition of the article, it would be nice to have a clean slate, without all the drama and bile that characterized the old article. Sanchez really isn't all that notable, and I think it should be refocused, but obviously we don't agree. Oh, well. Horologium (talk) 00:15, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm glad you posted that ref as Sanchez really had poisoned the talk page and the most basic of changes was like wrestling an octopus! There was too much insistence in his involvement, even if it was from him, for me not to consider it but that section, the whole article really, needs cleaning up. I'm convinced that once he's gotten himself banned the article will go through a bumpy overhaul then section by section the whole thing will stabilize. One way or another a decent article will emerge and maybe Sanchez himself will devote all hi energy into building a new notability so his porn past will be just a footnote in his life (if that's what he wants). Benjiboi 00:22, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
Oh, FFS, Eleemosynary is already at work trying to prevent adding the reference back in (he's the dweeb who has been busy removing all of the references to Sanchez on the Beauchamp article. Can you talk to him? He is unlikely to listen to someone from the right side of the rainbow, but he may listen to you. Horologium (talk) 00:27, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
And even more. Pwok may be gone, but Eleemosynary is filling his role admirably. Do you understand now why I want to terminate the current train wreck and start something a bit more focused? Elee is obviously hell-bent on disallowing anything positive on Sanchez in Wikipedia, which is why an article focusing strictly on the controversy is needed. Horologium (talk) 00:39, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
LOL. --Eleemosynary (talk) 00:41, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
I've responded on the talk page and agree that blocking that ref is silly. However, I also think that the article as is can be salvaged and there are plenty of folks who are invested enough to sort out the nonsense from all directions. There are plenty of RS's covering the subject so I don't see re-purposing this as just about the controversy, which frankly seems a way of mitigating one's past judgment errors rather than presenting a balanced article. You do bring up a point that if this article were huge (which it isn't) we could summarize and list his porn career elsewhere and the same with all his controversies. Your criticism of Eleemosynary does seem somewhat accurate in that the Beauchamp article has been safe-guarded against a lot of nonsense, but in fairness, a lot of that was from Sanchez so I can totally be empathetic with Eleemosynary's view that anything coming from Sanchez was just more crapola to be dismissed outright. It's obvious that Sanchez was involved somehow, why and by whom is up for interpretation, which we don't do, so we'll just have to peice together what we do have and probably tag the section with "it is, as of yet, unclear what role Sanchez had in exposing and reporting the full controversy." Benjiboi 02:44, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Merv Griffin

just wanted to give kudos for the section headings work on mg. hopefully your edits will resolve somewhat of an ongoing low level disagreement. cheers! --emerson7 03:17, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Very welcome, I didn't realize there was something going on but people do get passionate at times! Benjiboi 03:31, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

huh?

You may want to check out your edit on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of LGBT couples. Benjiboi 00:18, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

What am I supposed to be looking for? What did you find confusing? The Transhumanist 00:25, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
At the top of the page you have closing remarks but did not close? Benjiboi 00:26, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
It also says "Practice closing statement for" Benjiboi 00:27, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
I'll make it clearer. Thank you for pointing it out. The Transhumanist 00:36, 16 January 2008 (UTC)


OK, I changed it. Take a look. What do you make of it now? The Transhumanist 00:46, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
Makes more sense now. Benjiboi 02:09, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
Thank you for your feedback. It helped a lot. The Transhumanist 05:06, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Help with Corey Delaney

Hi, I was wondering if you could help my with Corey Delaney and it's AfD... I fear I may have started another Chris Crocker scale event.... Fosnez (talk) 11:00, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

I would consider deletion review as that Afd seemed less than 24 hours. I was just getting ready to add a {{recentism}} tag as well when i saw it was deleted. Benjiboi 22:25, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
Well it appears there is clear concencus that it shouldn't be included.. Such is life - you win some you lose some :-) Fosnez (talk) 00:47, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
I MADE FRONT PAGE NEWS ON WWW.NEWS.COM.AU!!!! well that was unexpected... Here's a direct link to the article. Fosnez (talk) 06:26, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Sorry about that Benji. I guess we can't even link to the news about it now. They don't want any mention of him on Wikipedia since he's a minor and unfortunately, I didn't think actual links to news media about him would be an issue but apparently it is. ALLSTARecho 08:59, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

If he wasn't chicken jailbait I'd say he's a hottie as well! Benjiboi 18:28, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Links on talk pages

I've already ask this of three other people who had the same concern. Could you point out where in our policy it states that any link, placed on a talk or user page, *must* conform itself to our Wiki policies? I would really appreciate it, because it would certainly help me to delete about a few hundred thousand links myself. Thanks! Wjhonson (talk) 03:17, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

I think your search should start and end at WP:LIVING. Although there may not be an exact statement that linking BLP-violating sites built to copycat wikipedia is prohibited it clearly is implied. Are you really working so that a discussion has to take place so a rule is written so that it explicitly says so? I'm really not into wikilawyering but I do understand do no harm, whatever Sanchez's perceived shortcomings he is a human being and probably doesn't deserve to have every detail about his life split open for all to pick through. I've known people who've committed suicide as they thought there reputations were trashed and I personally don't think there is a reason to push people to despair. You state you make your living doing genealogy, well frankly isn't there some professionalism against publicly vilifying someone when you know they explicitly want certain embarrassing (to them) material suppressed? There might be a common sense policy as well, I'll ask and see if I can get a more concise policy since that would help here. Benjiboi 04:23, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
My site is not "built to copycat Wikipedia", were you unaware that the Wiki software is available for any server owner to purchase? Anybody can buy Wiki software and run their own wiki. That does not imply they are copycatting. The Wiki software works the same no matter where you run it. My page does not "publicly villify him" it presents the evidence that has been so much in dispute. How exactly is anyone going to form an opinion, if the evidence is constantly hidden? Sanchez has never once mentioned to me anything about my page on him. Never. Not once. Don't you find that a little interesting? Doesn't it seem to you, if anyone would complain it would be him? Doesn't it seem logical to ask yourself, why he doesn't? Wjhonson (talk) 04:33, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
Benjiboi, it isn't my search that should start there. I've been here for a very long time. I helped write and re-write the policies we have. I know perfectly well what it does and doesn't state. Simply because you've been misled to think it says something it doesn't, doesn't change the fact that it simply does not say what people are telling you it does say. Read it yourself. There is nothing there related to this issue. Wjhonson (talk) 04:35, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
Your site looks identical to wikipedia and emulates a wikipedia article but that certainly could just be coincidence. I say vilify you say research, in any case we know that he does not want the information about his porn past and escorting published anywhere so hard to claim that just because he hasn't yet honored you with a direct request to cease and desist that he doesn't include you in his general wish to bury that information. Wikipedia's job isn't to provide every shred of evidence so that people can inform an opinion; we summarize what reliable sources have published. If you are working for a news outlet and want to share your original research then that is your right I guess - it's also Sanchez's right to sue if he feels it's worth his effort. Benjiboi 04:48, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
Even if the policy doesn't explicitly state such links violate BLP the spirit of it certainly does, to me, that and common sense should say it's not a good idea until you get some admins who state that it seems fine. Instead you have many folks saying the opposite. Benjiboi 04:48, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
Look at my history information, I've been here for years. My own Wiki site, using Wiki software, might look similar to Wikipedia, because it uses the exact same software, and because I'm a long-time Wikipedian. This page has been here for quite a long time, look at when it was first created. With the volume of output Sanchez generates does it really seem rational that he'd let it slide for so long? I never said that Wikipedia's job is to provide every shread of evidence. If you view my comments on the Evidence page of the ArbCom in fact, I say just the opposite. I am quite aware of what our policies state on Undue Weight. I'm sure you think you're teaching me, but consider the *evidence* that Sanchez has ever actually sued anybody. There isn't any. You can't sue for libel if a person is only presenting evidence. Libel involves creating brand new "facts" which aren't true. It's not about research and citing sources. Ask yourself who are the people saying they don't like external links which don't adhere to our policies? Aren't they the exact same people weighing in at ArbCom on the side of Sanchez? And who are the people who are not saying anything about it? Everybody else? That's an awful lot of people. You, as well as anybody is quite welcome to submit your idea to the Talk board at BLP and see if it flies. That's the way we work, by consensus. Not by people posting their opinions all over my page with no evidence and without following policy. Wjhonson (talk) 05:00, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
Folks wiser than myself on such things suggest that this and WP:LINKLOVE cover the subject nicely, I'm sure if you wish to wikilawyer into still using a link somewhere it is your right but I can't support it and I think if the roles were reversed and you felt harassed you might easily feel the same way. Benjiboi 18:36, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
My page does not constitute harassment in any way shape or form. In fact Benji, in the entire year or so that it's been up, not a single site visitor has ever complained that's its harassment, and that includes Matt himself. The sole people it seems, who have stated that unfounded claim, and only in the past week, have been those who are now supporting him in the ArbCom case. Wikilawyering has nothing to do with following our consensus-established policies which are quite clear on this matter, imho. It's a bit of a stretch to claim that "material" includes a link with no embedded text. As you well know links here are no-follow, so nothing appears within the cache from my site, that is quite different from posting "text" here which would indeed appear in a search engine, re this site. I would certainly not, contrary to your view, feel that presenting my entire online-life, from A to Z fully sourced and cited, constitutes "harassment". If you investigate something and some people find the *results* unseemly (I personally have no opinion) that will then claim that it's harassment. That claim does not make it however harassment. Just as with others, if you can actually cite and quote any specific statement from my page, which is not fully sourced and cited, please do so. I am quite eager to correct any perceived harassment, but won't do it at the sacrifice of the cited and quoted sources. You may however want to weigh in on Matt's brand-new personal attacks against me, just to give yourself a balanced view. Wjhonson (talk) 19:32, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
I'll rest my case on the above and choose to stay clear of furthering my entanglement. Unless I'm asked to take part in the Arbcom I really have no interest as I feel my comment on the discussion there is enough. I am, by no stretch of the imagination, a Sanchez supporter, I do however respect the rights of all users and those we write about so will choose not to further what I feel is BLP violation. I do agree that it would make sense to have a stated policy so that it was clear for all. Benjiboi 19:42, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
Thank you for your balanced conclusion. I as well feel that should we wish to have a policy statement forbidding links everywhere within Wikipedia (as opposed to article-space), if the link is to a page which violates some policy, or more specifically some BLP policy, that that should be a very clear statement, on the relevant policy page, to prevent this sort of conflict in the future. Sorry for the long sentence. I would recommend that anyone in favor of such a policy statement should submit it to the BLP Talk page to see if consensus can be there reached. Wjhonson (talk) 21:34, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes, you are

I hereby award you with the "Yes, you're phenomenally gay!" award! Thanks for being YOU! :] ALLSTARecho 03:40, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
I hereby award you with the "Yes, you're phenomenally gay!" award! Thanks for being YOU! :] ALLSTARecho 03:40, 17 January 2008 (UTC)


OK, what did I do this time? Benjiboi 04:28, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
lol just being you. and i don't need a reliable source for that! :P ALLSTARecho 04:30, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
Lol. As was said about Ralph Wiggum, not a man but a very special boi... Benjiboi 04:33, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
Actually, I just liked the image and wanted to use it somewhere. lol ALLSTARecho 04:41, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Talk:List of animals displaying homosexual behavior

Thanks for fixing that formatting problem. I wasn't sure where to place the oldafdfull tag, as this was a bit more complicated than I thought, what with a shared talk page between three articles, and a whole lot of other tags. Had to feel my way around on this. Not bad for my very first AfD closing, still. :-) PS - Was the rest done correctly? — Becksguy (talk) 02:21, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Looks fine to me. I'm so used to moving talk page items for formatting so that was no biggie. And since all three AfDs were rolled into one the placement on that page is perfect as the talk pages are transcluded to all three articles. Benjiboi 02:26, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

More Sanchez

You had asked me a while back if any of Sanchez's film got awards. I had my hands full there so I didn't get a chance to answer you. Sorry about that. I'm not aware if any did, somewhere in the back of my mind it seems like one of them did? But I don't think I really did in-depth research on that, I think I might have seen a reference just in passing while I was looking for something else. The full list as I've found so far anyway (49) is in my article with links to either IMDb or IAF or whatever it's called :) So you're welcome to take a look.Wjhonson (talk) 12:37, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi, much appreciated. At some point, (sigh), someday, an insightful sentence or two about his porn, ahem, output should be pieced together and the reviews at AVN would make sense to ref for that. Through that process we should be able to suss out which handful should be listed in the article, which work in the essay part and the rest can be ignored or link to complete list elsewhere. If you happan to see an award for one please leave me a note here pr on the article talk so we can reference it. Benjiboi 12:43, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
By the way Benji, "snarky" is an excellent word. I saw you use it on the AfD ;) I'm going to steal it. Wjhonson (talk) 13:18, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
Lol. Yes, it seems to cover a host of unseemly attitudes. Benjiboi 14:28, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Enola Gay

Hi, I'm not sure if you left this message on the Enola Gay talk page or not [1]. The date/time stamp has me a little confused. If it was you, could you please go back and fix the time stamp (I'd do it, but I would rather not mess with other people's posts). Also I left a response to your question. Davidpdx (talk) 11:08, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi, I actually moved the comment from the gay talk page but will see if i can help. Benjiboi 13:31, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

LGBT WikiProject Newsletter

Delivered sometime in January 2008 (UTC). SatyrBot (talk) 23:20, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Dorothy's minions

I swear, those denture queens will be the death of me. Jeffpw (talk) 21:04, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Lol. I'm sure they actually do mean well even if they seem to act as flying monkeys. Hopefully they swoop into action on an article that needs some TLC and they'll nurse it into good health. Benjiboi 23:50, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
Well, if I ever end up as their nurse I'll calm them down quick enough. Honestly, who'da thunk old people could be so feisty? They're rude, pushy, mean and somebody ought to spike their Geritol with a little Valium. Jeffpw (talk) 00:05, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
Lol. I've replied on the talk. Frankly it's the feisty ones who live longer so drink one to good old crotchetiness. If we have to spit vinegar I want a designer salad to go under it first and frankly life's too short to spin drama online. For all we know these are clever grad students posing as old queer geezers to get their kicks. Benjiboi 00:17, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

This is going to take a long time..

Seeing that we're the only two people adding refs.. zzz -- Ļıßζېấשּׂ~ۘ Ώƒ ﻚĢęخ (talk) 01:52, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Lol! Actually I've asked for help and just added about 30 myself so we should have it done soon. Benjiboi 01:54, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
Speaking of, I moved that yummy 11 inches of delectable man meat Pierre Fitch and his husband Ralph Woods to the Parted couples section as Woods own blog says they are exs, and I sourced it. I see its been put back with a source to a dead page.. ✰ALLSTAR✰ echo 02:04, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
Well, I think the categories might be a bit tough but we have to save the article first. Benjiboi 02:08, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
Actually I see where Epbr123 used Rollback on me to revert it. Big no-no. Rollback is supposed to be used only for vandalism. ✰ALLSTAR✰ echo 02:14, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
Why would that be reverted anyway? Benjiboi 02:17, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
He apologized just now on my talk page after I questioned him about it on his. He thought it was link spam. ✰ALLSTAR✰ echo 02:23, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
Bless his soul. Benjiboi 02:26, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Is it wrong to be turned on by the way you debate? lol :P ✰ALLSTAR✰ echo 04:54, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Lol. Yes and you're a naughty boy for even having such thoughts! Benjiboi 04:58, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
Well, at least I said debate and not mastur.. err, yeah. behave you! ✰ALLSTAR✰ echo 05:01, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
How curious, gay flirtation on Wikipedia! I've always thought of WP as a staid, conservative sort of thing.. perhaps not =) -- Ļıßζېấשּׂ~ۘ Ώƒ ﻚĢęخ (talk) 05:13, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
Was I flirting?? *hides screen from husband unit* lol ✰ALLSTAR✰ echo 05:16, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
Staid? Conservative? -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 06:43, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
Allright settle down. GeezWjhonson (talk) 06:46, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Crocker drama part XIII

::adjusts his dentures:: Well now. lol And since you're both here, just a friendly note about 3RR over at Chris Crocker.. let that poor soul get in trouble himself. I've done my 2 and I'm out. ;) ✰ALLSTAR✰ echo 00:18, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
And I did my bit for Chris, too. 2's my limit. There's only so far I'm willing to go, even for a Friend of Britney. Jeffpw (talk) 00:27, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Oh, my goodness gracious! Reginmund got his fingers majorly slapped for his tendentious edit warring on Chris Crocker! Benjiboi, you now have THREE MONTHS of relative peace now! Jeffpw (talk) 00:40, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Good lord! Now I can get caught up on the interviews that have come in! It will be ...productive! I can't think...blood rushing to my head ... (swoons). Benjiboi 00:46, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
See this ✰ALLSTAR✰ echo 01:30, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
He had been blocked previously for similar conduct on other articles, I see these folks rampaging through and deleting things and it's sad what work they have destroyed in their wake. The upside, I suppose, is that the content could be dug out of the respective histories. Hopefully they'll learn to see that other people don't always revert just for kicks and just maybe there's room for more than one interpretation. Benjiboi 01:36, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
p.s. and thank you for seeking help on that, it has been a source of stress! Benjiboi 01:37, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
There's discussion going on now on his talkpage as to whether or not 3 months was too harsh. It could get reduced. Just FYI. ✰ALLSTAR✰ echo 01:41, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

FYI if you haven't seen yet, Crocker is now open for editing. ✰ALLSTAR✰ echo 05:28, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

What's with the hotties dieing?

First Brad Renfro and now today Brokeback Mountain extraordinaire Heath Ledger. :[ They say it happens in 3's.. who's next? ✰ALLSTAR✰ echo 22:30, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

OMG! Ledger was the next generation Brad Pitt, so sad. Benjiboi 22:42, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
Total shocker. I was floored when I saw it in the Times. Jeffpw (talk) 22:59, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
Now the drugs don't work, they just make you worse, but we know we'll see you face again. Rest in Peace. -- Ļıßζېấשּׂ~ۘ Ώƒ ﻚĢęخ (talk) 03:38, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Talk:John Forbes Nash

Is John Forbes Nash someone you're working up references for? I noticed the banner was taken off his talk page and you seem to be in discussions about it. Thought I'd mention it to you in case you'd forgotten :) -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 06:51, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

(Sigh). Yes, thank you for the heads-up. I've re-added the tag, responded and will add it to the priority pile. Benjiboi 23:52, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
Done. Benjiboi 23:49, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
Awesomeness - you're totally fabulous! -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 03:32, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
Thank you, you would think I'd learn that anything that looks easy will suck several hours out of you! Benjiboi 04:16, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

R Family Vacations add-on

“ Production company Pink Pea announced that the star of Dottie's Magic Pockets -- the first children's program for kids in gay and lesbian families -- will appear on the R Family Vacations Cruise to the Mexican Riviera, March 15-22, 2008.

Following the highly successful launch of Dottie's Magic Pockets in September 2007, the live appearance by "Dottie" (Jen Plante) will mark the first time LGBT families and friends from across the country will be entertained by the main character of a kids' show that is set in a lesbian household.		 ”

Benjiboi

Done. Benjiboi 04:54, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Re: Wonky edit summary

Hi, "Revert previous revision by ____" seems wonky to me; should it say "revert edit by ____" or "reverted to revision by ____" instead? Benjiboi 08:55, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

"Reverted to revision by..." is no good because we're interested in the user whose contributions are beng reverted, not the user who is being reverted to (whose contributions are presumably constructive). "Revert edit by ____" would work in some cases, but without "previous" it is not always clear which edit is being reverted – if more than one recent edit to the page is made by the same user, it's possible that any one of those edits could be individually undone; the undo summary includes the revision number to clarify which, but it's not obvious at a glance what the revision ID is (on the web interface at least, you have to look at the URLs of the revision links), so it seems more elegant to simply identify the revision being reverted as the previous one, where applicable. As for the use of "revision" instead of "edit", this is consistent with most of the MediaWiki interface ("Revision history", "Difference between revisions", "Revision as of...") and in particular the undo summary, which also uses "Revision" – Gurch 09:34, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
Well it stopped me in my tracks, howabout "Reverted edits by ____ to last edit by ____"? I've seen that before and it's always made sense. Benjiboi 09:44, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
That's what rollback uses, the problem with that is that huggle doesn't always know in advance which user it's going to revert to if it's doing a rollback (doing so would require an extra request to retrieve the page history, which would slow things down a lot); it could use the default rollback summary in such cases but that would make its summaries inconsistent, as they would vary depending on the method of reversion, which isn't really desirable (even among the contribs of an individual user, as the rollback rate-limit forces a normal revert at times) – Gurch 09:51, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
Well. I stand by my original statement, it seems wonky and I didn't understand what exactly was reverted and to which version so I suggest something be worked up to add more clarity. Benjiboi 09:59, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
Well, it says "previous revision"... and the previous revision was reverted. Is that not clear? – Gurch 10:09, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
No. Hence my bothering to mention it. Benjiboi 10:11, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
I could change it to "Revert revision by ____" ... but that seems even less clear to me. If the user being reverted has made several edits to the page, it doesn't say which – Gurch 10:26, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
Aren't you generally reverting all of them? Benjiboi 10:36, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
Only if they're consecutive. It's possible to undo individual edits that are further back in the history -- undo uses a revision ID to make it clear, but this isn't user-friendly, since the revision ID isn't actually displayed in the page history. To avoid confusion with such an action I feel it's better if it clarifies that it is actually the previous edit, not some other edit by the same user, that's being reverted. (If multiple edits in a row by the same user are being reverted, it will say so) – Gurch 10:43, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Indent reset. OK, shooting for clarity then...if you are reverting edits that aren't consecutive, to me, that's exceptional and confusing and should be stated clearly "reverting edits by _____ through December 2007" or something and I'm still puzzled that that is the way to go. If they are making multiple edits in a row that are beng reverted perhaps "Revert edits by ____"? Benjiboi 10:48, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

If multiple edits in a row are reverted (whether by the same user or not), it uses "Revert N revisions by [list of users]", where N is the number of reverted revisions. I assume there is no problem with this as nobody seems to have mentioned it. In the case where there is only one edit, it currently uses "Revert previous revision by [user]". It is not capable of reverting individual older revisions, but the undo function is, and that's what I want to avoid confusion with (merely not starting the summary with "undo" doesn't really do that, since the undo summary can be changed – Gurch 10:53, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
Perhaps a semantics fix then? Could it be replaced to say "edits" rather than "revisions"? That would clear up my issue? You do want to help clear all my issues don't you! Benjiboi 10:56, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
So "Revert previous edit by [user]"? If that's what you want, though I'm not sure I see the difference between an edit and a revision (as I say, MediaWiki mostly uses 'revision' in the interface) – Gurch 11:03, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
My understanding, and I've been so very wrong so many times..., is that an edit is something you did and do whereas a revision is each subsequent version of an article's history. Benjiboi 11:52, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
Changed in next version – Gurch 12:13, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree with Benjiboi's comments about needing clarity in the edit summary [after all, it's his talk page :-)]. All the above is why I use Twinkle, as it lets you enter your own edit summary verbiage, which can be adapted to almost any situation, including jumping back over several versions made earlier by one or more editors, to the selected version for restoration. It's not perfect, but it does seem better than rollback, based on the crazy and extremely lengthy discussions I've read on giving out rollback to non-admins. Never used Undo (nor know how to use it), so I can't comment on that. But I agree that it makes sense to include the user who's edit(s) are being reverted, rather than the restored version editor. Or better, include both. Here is the edit summary from Twinkle's vandalism rollback function which includes both: (Reverted 1 edit by Bassmancliff identified as vandalism to last revision by Wikid77. (TW)). Seems rather clear, doesn't it? The edit summary: "Revert N revisions by [list of users]" is fine as to identifying which were the "bad" versions, but it doesn't identify the restored version, which I think is helpful when jumping over several versions. — BTW, Benji, just how many "issues" do you have that need clearing up?  ;-) — Becksguy (talk) 13:15, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

So many issues they don't even have names for them all! Benjiboi 16:22, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
It is possible to enter a different summary if needed. The problem with identifying the last editor, as mentioned above, is that it is not always known, and an extra request would slow things down. The presence or absence of rollback is irrelevant; it uses the best method available, but gives the same summary regardless – Gurch 13:27, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
I've rewritten huggle to make an extra request to retrieve the last editor when it is not known, so it will now be shown in summaries – Gurch 09:13, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
Too cool for school! Thank you for looking into it! Benjiboi 16:22, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Chris Crocker (Internet celebrity)

I'm not sure if you are still on wikibreak or not (I'm on a bit of a break of my own) but I just wanted to notify you that the protection level of the Chris Crocker (Internet celebrity) article has since been reduced to semi. Take care, Can't sleep, clown will eat me 01:46, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you! Generally I stop as soon as I start feeling stressed, this article was actually stressing me so i was just doing research instead on it. Benjiboi 01:59, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
And have you seen his latest? - ✰ALLSTAR✰ echo 09:47, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
Very interesting! Benjiboi 16:25, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Níð

Hi Benji! Just wanted to tell you that I've responded to your post on the talkpage. --TlatoSMD (talk) 13:13, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

As have I, to you in return. Benjiboi 19:33, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Girlfriend

Hi there. Just a quick note to prevent any misunderstandings or the development of an edit war. I still feel the article should be deleted for failing WP:DICDEF; however, if the consensus is against me, that'll be the end of my involvement with it. I hope that you can accept my assurance that my only motivation is to improve the encyclopedia as a whole. Tevildo (talk) 19:20, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

I think actions speak clearly. You may wish to review the AfDs for other perspectives and note that AfD is not clean-up - "if an article can be improved through regular editing it is not a good candidate for AfD" (per WP:AFD). I see quite a few possibilities and Girlfriend (disambiguation) should be an indication that the term itself has been used extensively in popular culture. Just because someone has yet to build up the article hardly means it's a mere dicdef any more than any other noun. Benjiboi 19:32, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Benjiboi, I jumped in with a fairly strong opposition to merging or deleting, I think. Your response looks a bit like a comment rather than the strong opposition I assume you have, so could you clarify it please? — Becksguy (talk) 22:18, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Done. Thank you for mentioning it as I want my disdain for such practices to be quite clear. Benjiboi 22:35, 24 January 2008 (UTC)


From A Few Good Men (1992)

Colonel JESSEP (Jack Nicholson): Are we clear?
Lieutenant KAFFEE (Tom Cruise): Crystal.

— Becksguy (talk) 23:08, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Lol! Benjiboi 00:29, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Chris Crocker (Internet celebrity)

By making the image larger, its artifacts become scaled. Rappingwonders (talk) 21:31, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

I put a request in at the Image lab, if they can't fix it then we should add hidden text to explain why 200px was chosen. Benjiboi 22:01, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Hot House Entertainment

Find them a logo image and clean talk page. Benjiboi

Done and done. Benjiboi 22:38, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

I am unclear to your statement...

I was re editing my own comment —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mahovictor (talk • contribs) 02:21, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Actually you were WP:Soapboxing. You did it on the article talk page which was reverted then you went into the article talk page archives and added your same (or perhaps modified) contents there. There are plenty of non-wikipedia forums where you can entertain your disdain for the group but wikipedia is an encyclopedia and our work is building encyclopedic articles. If you want to make constructive contributions they are more than welcome but POV-pushing and WP:Soap-boxing will likely be met by the same fate. Benjiboi 21:51, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Fair Use of Images

Hey Benjiboi... I see you edit/police the Hot House page a lot; thank you! Can you help me get an image in place so that it won't get deleted?? I've tried to add one several times, without success. Thank you! brandon at hothouse dot com. User talk:69.181.197.242

Hi, I find the best way to add images is to actually sign up for another free account at commons.wikimedia.org known as WikiCommons. WikiCommons is a worldwide repository where various media, including photos, can be uploaded and licensed freely for anyone, anywhere to use for anything. This best meets an interest of offering free content to everyone. If you have images that you own and our willing to let anyone use for anything then that is the best place to upload them add take a bit of extra time to ensure you have the right license and detailed description of what is the photo and who took it. Once that is complete every wikipedia-related project can also use that image as it is freely licensed. To me this has saved more problems from developing so has been worth the extra effort. A caution, though, if you load a photo and then try to remove it it might be impossible so only load photos that are freely available, etc. As a suggestion less formal photos, like a personal photo at a book signing, seem to work well for biographies. Photos can often be cropped or otherwise improved as well. Benjiboi 22:07, 25 January 2008 (UTC)