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I changed the article about male prostitution areas to 300 Westheimer at Mason

I changed the male prostitution area to 300 Westheimer and Mason because it is more accurate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lauradiane (talk • contribs) 21:16, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Hi, I appreciate that you may believe that however changing "Hyde Park in Montrose" to "near 300 Westheimer at Mason" is actually more confusing to everyone else. I'll also clarify that we aren't trying educate people where exactly to go to find a male prostitute simply writing an article about the subject so getting into a specific street address doesn't seem needed. If you want to re0add the specific address, which seems peculiar at best, please provide a reliable reference that backs up that that address is known for male prostitution. Benjiboi 00:18, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Twink citation needed

Benjiboi, why did you remove the {{fact}} tag I placed on the sentence In some societies the term "chick" or "chicken" is preferred. Please read my comment on the talk page, which I think is still valid. I was going to remove the sentence, but the AfD for the Chicken (gay slang) article came up and I thought it was better to wait until that was settled. I think we mostly agreed that twink != chicken in the AfD, right? — Becksguy (talk) 01:41, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

I'll look at it in a sec., chick and chicken are preferred in some societies but the wording seems awkward. Benjiboi 10:20, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
OK, I've added the ref chick and chicken have so many meanings and they are not exclusive but more generalized and change. The twink article is pretty wonky and needs work but I'm still digging through chicken. Benjiboi 10:30, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. I was mostly concerned that it got inadvertently deleted as part of cleanup. Your citations so far have been fascinating (and educational), so I'm interested in seeing what else you come up with on both Twink & Chicken (as gay slang). Regards, — Becksguy (talk) 15:25, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Well, the chicken has proved to be a bit elusive as there are quite a few things to dig through but I'll help on twink when needed. Benjiboi 01:58, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for watching my back today, and for being a mensch in general. Wikipedia is blessed to have editors like you. Jeffpw (talk) 14:36, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Right back atchya! Benjiboi 15:15, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

R Family Vacations

copy edit, compare to similar articles (if they exist) and consider a DYK. Benjiboi

Done Benjiboi 22:25, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Image:Sister Roma at Folsom 1996.jpg

Hi, you've blanked out the licensing & everything else with "I want to delete this" or words to that effect. Is the picture a copyright violation ? --Simon Speed (talk) 02:12, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, I uploaded a better copy of the same image and couldn't figure out how to delete the thing. Benjiboi 11:45, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

I've restored the licensing & description and put it in the SPI category. It seems a good image and other projects may hagve a use for it. --Simon Speed (talk) 22:47, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

It's a bad version of a borderline image and I would delete it myself if I could. Benjiboi 23:10, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
You can't - it's on the Commons. Unless you were a Commons admin, you couldn't delete it. -Jéské (Blah v^_^v) 23:13, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
I added a note to try to delete - I have little experience in commons. Benjiboi 23:15, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
That's better than my "What's the image upload button?" ;) -Jéské (Blah v^_^v) 23:21, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
Lol! I've found there's a button to request deletion. Benjiboi 23:37, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

WP:AN/I post regarding TeePee-20.7

Hopefully they'll calm down - I've asked them to stop using derogatory terms (they state elsewhere that their brother is gay and has no objection to the term "maricon" but that's not the point, of course). One small point regarding your AN/I post though - TeePee was blocked, not banned the two terms are distinct (see WP:BAN, WP:BU and my attempt to distil it at User talk:Just2saythis). I'm keeping an eye on TeePee's edits for a while. Cheers, Tonywalton Talk 11:39, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for looking into that I didn't want to personal engage so I appreciate your time on it. Will try to remember to avoid saying banned when I mean block - certainly not interchangable on wp. Benjiboi 11:42, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Welcome. Tonywalton Talk 11:46, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Just so you know, Benjiboi, I do not see this as resolved quite yet. I have posted to that effect on ANI, though I will not revert Tony's use of the "Resolved" checkmark. Jeffpw (talk) 13:47, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
I will keep my eyes on it, the posts on Tonywalton's talk seemed to be going in a decent direction but I wasn't up for inserting myself into it directly so refrained from interjecting. I'm happy to comment when needed though so let me know if you think my involvement would help. Benjiboi 13:55, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
If you look at Tony's page now, you'll see he thinks it would have been OK if he had called us queers instead of maricons. He is still not getting it. I also think his restoration of the posts that got him blocked is ...provocative, to say the least. Jeffpw (talk) 13:57, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Yes, I saw the queers comment but didn't want to engage to point out it's one thing when a minority group reclaims a slur and quite another when someone else does. I didn't root enough to see his reposting but that does seem a bit much. Benjiboi 14:01, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Point made to him as a general case under User talk:TeePee-20.7#Derogatory_terminology and later here. Personally I've never been over-happy with any group claiming to "reclaim" a slur, primarily because it gives the kind of people who used it as a slur in the first place far too much excuse to say they have carte blanche to re-use it. However I realise that that's a very contentious statement and I'm not proposing to re-start a debate here that ranges far beyond WP ;-) I also invite you to take a look at my response at User talk:Jeffpw#TeePee_slurs. Regards Tonywalton Talk 17:38, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
I've posted once again at ANI about this, since he readded the slur again after Tony reverted. This is getting really annoying. Feel free to delete this entire thread, Benjiboi, if you don't want to get involved any further than you are. Jeffpw (talk) 14:43, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
I've updated a comment myself. It would be nice to get another admin voice to step in and give the user a civility pep talk. Benjiboi 20:10, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Gummy (disambiguation)

A tag has been placed on Gummy (disambiguation) requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A3 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is an article with no content whatsoever, or whose contents consist only of external links, "See also" section, book reference, category tag, template tag, interwiki link, rephrasing of the title, or an attempt to contact the subject of the article. Please see Wikipedia:Stub for our minimum information standards for short articles. Also please note that articles must be on notable subjects and should provide references to reliable sources that verify their content.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the article (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the article's talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. — Yavoh 05:18, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Issue should be resolved but I will message for confirmation. Benjiboi 07:59, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

William Donohue

Hi

I pulled out the deleted sections and placed them in my user subpage here to start work on the refs. I'll do what I can to help out with some of the drudge work. Feel free to edit at will when you find the time. No pressure. I can't get wikilink to work for a subpage. — Becksguy (talk) 23:03, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Question

Need some advice and you seem to know your way around Wiki. I reverted a spammer on Steel Magnolias and he responded with insults and vandalised my user page. I reported the incident to AiV, he got a warning about spam (not vandalising my page). Should I have taken this somewhere else? I am a big boy, and this isnt the first time I run across being called "fag" (though I don't want it getting around I was on Steel Magnolias page) but I want advice on what I should do next time. Thanks Jacksinterweb (talk) 00:18, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

I've added a specific warning addressing the issue on their talk. Anon IP's and registered users are handled a bit different; many feel and I concur that engaging anonymous vandalism beyond simply Revert, Block, Ignore is a waste of time and resources. I've gotten more comfortable with the process myself; revert the damage, (always) warn the user on their talk and if they have a pattern of vandalism then report to AiV. AiV, by the way, is sadly busy, so you adding specific warnings against personal attacks, in this case, is the key so that admin can see who warned about what and when. Documentation is key just like in real world. Many editors simply revert vandalism and don't do the next steps, the result of this is often a vandal will get the first warning after a lot of damage and the AiV folks like to see a good faith effort. This means that only after they are warned it's considered more than a problem, multiple warnings and still they vandalize? Then blocking may be in order. In all of this it's best to keep cool and try not to take it personal even when it sure feels like it. They may get their kicks from winding you up so don't give them that victory. The main difference with registered users is that they have more personally invested and aren't keen on having their account blocked. As for the Steel Magnolias page it's in your history as well as the article history already so too late; if called on it you can insist you thought it was a heavy metal band. Benjiboi 01:07, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, I did all the usual (revert, warning tag, didn't feed the troll, reported) I thought I might have gone to the wrong place. Insults don't bother me, I was a bit surprised that after the Admin reverted the "fag" comment on my page he then gave Anon a warning to not spam my page. Thanks again for your input (and for the Steel Magnolias cover story...now if I can just find a plausible story for Mildred Pierce). Jacksinterweb (talk) 02:37, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
I think you did the right thing, I suggest following up with the editor who reverted the fag blanking and (nicely) bringing up the you were a little surprized the personal attacks didn't seem to get mentioned. As for Mildred Pierce you can always say you thought it was this model or stripper (and you were ever so disappointed). Benjiboi 02:41, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Good idea! Distract from my bad taste in movies with a tale of my being a closet heterosexual! Jacksinterweb (talk) 03:01, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Lol! Closets - not just for clothes! Benjiboi 03:09, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Just stopping by your WikiHome Benji to say "hi" to Jacksinterweb from Mississippi! Err, I'm saying "hi" from Mississippi and he's from Mississippi. Oh yeah, and HI BENJI! ;) -- ALLSTARecho 03:36, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

And a Hidi ho to you as well! Benjiboi 04:43, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

If you need a laugh...

Thought you might get a kick out of [1] after all the work you put in to his article... =D -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 04:07, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

That was funny. However, my attention was immediately drawn away to this. Shame on me. -- ALLSTARecho 04:22, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
I think either all are under-medicated or over-medicated, not sure which though... Benjiboi 04:43, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Hobiyashi

Thanks for creating that AfD, Benji! Aleta (talk) 05:32, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

No problem! The article is funny if you can get past the homophobia! Benjiboi 05:34, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

I Am Your Gummy Bear

Lead various spellings, might have to search each song title for refs. Benjiboi

done. 21:23, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Lonnie Frisbee

I've watchlisted it, and if that anon IP gives you anymore trouble on the article I will assist you in dealing with it. My apologies for not responding on ANI. I just saw it now. Jeffpw (talk) 17:47, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

If you're willing could you address the talk page comments they have left. Personally I fell they should be stricken and the user should try posting again without all the pointy language and accusations. Building turf battles isn't helping building articles. Benjiboi 20:36, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Done. "have we taken Jesus Christ as our Savior?"??????? Hell NO! Jeffpw (talk) 21:18, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
I appreciate you doing that, they have helped the article in much the same way our friends did on Sister Roma, they poke with pointy sticks and we pile on references (I smell recurring theme). By the way that blaspheme play I thought of is Corpus Christi. Benjiboi 21:22, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Lesbian links

Resolved.

Benjiboi 16:02, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

History

Feminism

Sexuality

Culture

Sports

Fiction

TV

Music

Politics

Public policy

See also

List of animals displaying homosexual behavior

Resolved.

Benjiboi 20:28, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

to do:

  1. . Link biblio articles to online sources if any avail.
  2. . Finish Bagemihl ref overhaul on mammals, then do same for insects, invertebrates etc (birds done).
  3. . Convert other refs on Birds to biblio format, then do same for mammals, invertebrates etc.
  4. . Recheck formatting, links for major plot flaws
  5. . Investigate content in template issues and possible solutions.

Done. Benjiboi

gummy bear move

Hey, regarding the Gummy Bear move, I did look for the move tab, but it was not there. If you go to the current Gummy Bear page it's still not there (if it redirects you, be sure to click back to the correct one) other than that I don't have any idea how to fix it, or even how to contact an admin for that matter. Darkage7 (talk) 07:54, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

oh sure, as soon as i say that it shows up... lets see here... Darkage7 (talk) 07:55, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
thanks, I don't really know how to do that... glad it's getting done tho Darkage7 (talk) 07:58, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

As you can see on the article and at WP:SPLICE, I have requested that an admin merge the edit histories. –Pomte 21:05, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

thank you for your help with this! Benjiboi 04:06, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

List of birds displaying homosexual behavior: GA nomination(s)

I have quick-failed your nomination of this article (and the other two similar ones), because it goes beyond the scope of WP:GA, which doesn't handle lists. I would recommend nominating them for WP:FLC instead. Dr. Cash (talk) 19:28, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure I want to jump to FA status, is there a GA for lists? Benjiboi 19:31, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Decent welcome/vandalism template

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Happy Holidays

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Thank you! and may your chimney be active as well! Benjiboi 05:32, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Yes please

NSFW. How all disputes on Wikipedia should be resolved. Well, not maybe all as I'm sure there's a few I wouldn't want to resolve disputes with via this technique. But you know what I mean. ;) -- ALLSTARecho 22:53, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Lol. I think the Olympics (gay or otherwise) would never have to worry about fundraising schemes if they returned to the no clothing concept. Benjiboi 05:36, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

DYK

Updated DYK query On 15 December 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article I Am Your Gummy Bear, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Cheers, Daniel 04:33, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Yea, the system works. Benjiboi 05:37, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free media (Image:Candycane 2.jpg)

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Hate group

Please don't scold me for removing categories that are not appropriate and claim that what I did was vandalism and then do the same exact thing I did. 75.34.52.63 (talk) 20:36, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

I apologize if you felt I was scolding you, I reverted your deletion of several categories from the article which seemed to be valid categories and in the edit summary I suggested you could take up the issue on the article's talk page if you disagreed. You then added category Atheism which I removed as nothing in the article seems to warrant its inclusion which, again, I noted in the edit summary and on your talk page. We are here to build good articles and working together is part of that. You may consider adding some explanation in your edit summaries so other editors have an understanding of what you're thinking. Benjiboi 20:42, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Cher references

Hi. You removed a {{refimprove}} tag from the Cher article, stating in the edit summary "removing tag article seems to have dozens of refs unless my eyes are playing tricks n me." I put that tag in place of the one that was already on the article, which was the {{citations missing}} tag. That one was erroneous, because there are references present, as you pointed out in your edit summary, however, there are quite a few facts and quotes in the article which aren't referenced, and need to be. I am returning the refimprove tag, and have tagged points in the article which need to be referenced. Thanks. Wildhartlivie (talk) 01:44, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Fair enough, you may find that as the article does have plenty of refs (even though it needs some) the tag gets removed again. An alternative may be to use section tags or simply pick the ten most dubious items and fact tag those. Good luck! Benjiboi 01:47, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Warning templates

Use Wikipedia:Template messages/User talk namespace to find most appropriate template. Benjiboi 01:07, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Chris Crocker

Seen this one? -- ALLSTARecho 03:17, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

No, that's amazing! We should totally use it. Benjiboi 13:09, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Hello

I apologize for deleting the picture, I thought it was a joke or something around those lines, (since Dyke on a Bike rhymes)I thought it was some sort of rude pun and forgive me please for deleting it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Buzz94 (talk • contribs) 02:18, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

You're forgiven! Benjiboi 02:24, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Re: Rosie O'Donnell not quite dead

See:

Resolved.

Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#Living people category removal Living people category removal

Hi, an editor has removed the category living people from a BLP and I'm wondering if I missed something and that category is no longer valid? The category talk makes no mention so am I missing something here? Benjiboi 01:59, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

It looks like it might be an isolated incident as the category is untouched in many of their other edits. Will follow up if there is anything more to it. Benjiboi 02:05, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
Look closer - that article was in that category twice. Ask the editor first next time, thank you. --Golbez (talk) 02:34, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

And

User talk:Jeanenawhitney#Rosie O'Donnell not quite dead

Please restore the Living people category to her bio. Benjiboi 02:03, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Benjiboi also raised this at WP:AN, for some reason. The category was in the article twice; there is no problem with your edit. Chick Bowen 04:50, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Any replies should be directed to my talk page.Jeanenawhitney (talk) 10:49, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Done. My apologies, I've also resorted the categories into alpha order so hopefully no one will easily re-add another duplicate category. Benjiboi 11:14, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

John Aravosis refs

Voluminous fact tags litter the text. Some have been addressed, others need attention; then clean all up with proper ref formatting. Benjiboi

Consider done for now. Benjiboi 19:41, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

"I Am Your Gummy Bear" at DYK

DYK (December 10)

...that "I Am Your Gummy Bear" is a silly novelty song whose video features a "jolly and jiggly" lime green cartoon gummi bear and a 30-second video clip in eight languages (so far) is an internet meme? Benjiboi

Follow up for any comments/concerns. Benjiboi
Done. Benjiboi 19:41, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

John Forbes Nash

Hey, hon - I saw you've put the project banner on John Forbes Nash, but he's not in one of the LGBT people cats, his article mentions nothing about it. Help? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 02:11, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

See Talk:John Forbes Nash#Sexuality seems like there's something there but it (gasp) kept getting removed. Whether it's valid or not I can't say for sure but it seems something is likely and needs to be referenced. Benjiboi 13:56, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

AIV report

Hi Benjiboi, thanks for your AIV report. However, an IP can't be a vandal-only account. Accounts are registered users ;-) Snowolf How can I help? 14:26, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Err, not sure what I should have done different? Did you deal with it or do you need me to fill out something else? Benjiboi 14:44, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

TLWTM

Read it, love it, use it! ;) lmao -- ALLSTARecho 20:17, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

yes, some real gems tucked away, have you seen WP:SNOW? Benjiboi 20:24, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Report to WP:AIV (re: 172.189.30.254)

May I answer your question [2] with another question? If so, how long of a block do you feel 172.189.30.254 (talk · contribs) should have received? --Kralizec! (talk) 00:44, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

12-24 hours? 15 minutes seems pretty meaningless and this edit seems to demonstrate user has an advanced knowledge of wikipedia including templates. If "sneaky vandals" have their own category I would nominate this one to go into it. Benjiboi 01:55, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia's official policy on blocking states that blocks are used to protect the project from disruption, not to punish users. Since the IP in question vandalized zero articles are their block expired, it would appear that blocking for 15 minutes worked perfectly. --Kralizec! (talk) 14:24, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
You know what's sad, Benjiboi? Had you or I made those ridiculous edits, we'd be blocked for at least a few days. Maybe we should start editing as IPs. ;-( Jeffpw (talk) 14:32, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
Had either of you made those two edits and been reported to WP:AIV, I would have absolutely declined to block. While jumping straight to a {{uw-bv}} warning may be questionable-but-allowed with an anonymous editor, doing so with registered editors who have a clean edit history would fly in the face of WP:AGF. To be honest, I doubt you would have received much more than a {{uw-test1}} or {{uw-error2}} warning, so I fail to see what you hope to gain by making snarky comments about an admin who is actually on your side. --Kralizec! (talk) 19:18, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
lol. I have to agree, whether we're on the side of snarky sodomites on not I did learn something about the nature of blocks. I used {{uw-bv}} because that's exactly what those little gems looked like. Regardless I appreciate your time on this and wish you the best of the best during the solstice. Benjiboi 20:48, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Lead/lede

Hey Benjiboi, I'm curious: why do you spell the intro section of an article "lede" rather than "lead"? :) Aleta (Sing) 21:55, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

It's the new spelling, honey. Surely if the Times is doing it, it has to be correct. Jeffpw (talk) 21:59, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
Lol. Part of it is probably that I'm a miserable speller so lede is harder to mess up than lead and the other part is clarity lede is always the intro to an article whereas lead can be mistaken depending on context and those reading. I probably go it from this but I'm not sure. It also could be from one too many sips of holiday cheer. Benjiboi 22:04, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
Interesting to see both of those, Jeff & Benji. I didn't realize it had such a historical usage, and it hit my radar as being like "rite", "u" or other cutesy spellings which tend to get on my nerves. I've learned something... but I'll still spell it "lead" myself.  ;-P Aleta (Sing) 22:13, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
You'll not get a job at the Times with that attitude! lol. Benjiboi 22:15, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
LOL! Maybe not... and almost certainly not in advertising. Aleta (Sing) 22:20, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
Lol. I'm sure whatever you're offering will sell quickly! Benjiboi 22:24, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
Ha! Uh hunh.  :) Aleta (Sing) 22:30, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

DYK nom - Clash of the Choirs

Updated DYK query Did you know? was updated. On 24 December 2007, a fact from the article Clash of the Choirs, which you recently nominated, was featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

~ Riana ⁂ 10:52, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Here comes Santa Claus

NORAD and the U.S. Air Force tracks Santa! As I write this, he's in India, making his way through the Himalayas! Yay! -- ALLSTARecho 15:41, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Psst. Santa is a polar bear. Benjiboi 15:55, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
Now, Benji. Only people who want sticks and coal think naughty thoughts about Santa. By the way, I gave AllStar the NORAD number to call if you want to discuss the Santa situation with them. I already called, and they were most gracious, though understandable overwhelmed by the volume of calls they are receiving. Jeffpw (talk) 16:32, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
Oh please, calling him a polar bear hardly is naughty - where is your thinking? (Hello...gutter calling - it wants its dirty ideas back!) Anyway, if Santa doesn't enjoy a bit of elf action the other 360+ days of the year I'd be quite surprised. Benjiboi 21:14, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

TfD nomination of Template:Rescue

Template:Rescue has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. — Benjiboi 21:51, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Happy Holidays

Happy Holidays, fellow Wikipedian. :) --Dan LeveilleTALK 23:56, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Thank you so much! And to you and yours as well! Benjiboi 23:58, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Joyeux Noël

The composer of my favorite Christmas carol.
The composer of my favorite Christmas carol.

I just want to wish my fellow Wikipedians a Merry Christmas! By the way, I wanted to send you an email. If you were curious what it was about, please email me. Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 01:24, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Clash of the Choirs

beef refs, clean-up, add criticism? and DYK as group effort. Benjiboi

Done. Benjiboi 01:42, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Merge? (Re: Chubby culture)

Chubby culture with Bear (gay slang)? -- ALLSTARecho 18:42, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

I wouldn't recommend it, they are pretty distinct with some overlaps and to me chubby culture should be retitled and expanded accordingly. Is it just for gay & queer men gainers and admirers, etc or is it also include women and should it delve into obesity issues? My hunch is we should either tack on gay or LGBT to title and give it a fresh perspective. Benjiboi 20:54, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
As to women, see Chubby chaser. I'm not sure what to do about this. -- ALLSTARecho 21:13, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
We should definitely incorporate that but I was actually referring to groups like Fat! So? that are lesbian focused. We might want to add a possible motivations section as well. Benjiboi 21:18, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
I think we're going to need to be along the lines of articles being specific. Examples: Bear (gay slang), Chaser (gay slang), Otter (gay slang), Cub (gay slang), etc. This is why I was against renaming Bear community because all of these animals could have been under that one umbrella of community and now the title Bear (gay slang) just screams "this article is about gay bears and nothing else". On the other hand, in regards to the chaser group, be it straight or gay, I'd say Chubby culture (the gay article) should be merged with Chubby chaser (the breeder article) and then the single article be broken down into 2 sections. -- ALLSTARecho 21:24, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
Well, regards to the first item, I personally see otter, cub etc as fine to include as Bears eclipse them a bit and arguably the others are in that universe. I'm not eager to combine the various chubs as I think you'd have two quite different sets of information and pretty quickly folks would want to separate them anyway. Neither seems to be on the chopping block so it's not a rush anyway. Benjiboi 21:31, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
What about renaming Chubby culture to something like Chub (gay slang) ? -- ALLSTARecho 21:33, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
Possibly, but I'd want to see more content and references regardless, having said that it doesn't cost much to do a move! Benjiboi 21:46, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
In the meantime, I'm going back to this. lol -- ALLSTARecho 21:52, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Ha! When in Rome! Benjiboi 22:05, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Well, looks like that move brought attention anyway. It's been tagged merge by another user. -- ALLSTARecho 22:10, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

And I just felt like putting this here on your page in case you ever need it...

Got so tired of only being able to find the man/woman icon that I made this one! hrmmph! -- ALLSTARecho 22:51, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

So cute! Benjiboi 22:53, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
Um - is it just me, or does one of them seem ... longer ... than the other? =D -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 23:03, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
yes, one is shorter than the other, and one is thicker than the other. Chub/chaser? lol -- ALLSTARecho 23:10, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
It's just you, lol. Maybe you're leaning to one side? Benjiboi 23:14, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
lmao! Sit up straight Satyr! And I just fixed it, so the little guy doesn't look like he's got a torso a mile long. -- ALLSTARecho 23:17, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Outdent. Consider posting to the LGBT project page and Jeffpw's for Miss Julie to potentially use in the newsletter; also is there a version for the ladies? Benjiboi 01:45, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

TfD nomination of Template:Rescue

Thanks for the heads-up. Happy holidays. :) Tlogmer ( talk / contributions ) 01:42, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

You're very welcome, I notified all who have interacted on the template page to avoid canvassing issues; luckily it was a reasonably small population. Benjiboi 02:02, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
And I'm a bit off on Christmas carols in general but "O Holy Night" is one of my favorites when in the mood. Benjiboi 02:05, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for bringing up this discussion again, hopefully it is resolved in a positive manner and we can get back to actually rescuing articles. -- Also, I don't think I have actually said it yet, but thankyou for giving me the barnstar a few months ago :) I hope you are with someone you love this christmas Fosnez (talk) 12:06, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

You're very welcome. Benjiboi 19:07, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

BBW thoughts

I understand what you're saying. But I'd like to respectfully request that you think about how your communication in edit summaries may come across. In my opinion, JzG was merely attempting to help.

That aside, I think we really could use more or better references and external links. I notice several at Fat_acceptance_movement which would seem to be as, or more, appropriate to the BBW article. What do you think? - jc37 09:36, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

JzG may have been coming from a helpful stance but they were deleting useful content; I edit summaried "Re-adding, you may want to review what WP:SPAM actually states before deleting content again." Was that off-putting? What would have worked better?
And yes feel free to grab all of those links and the see also section, these are good resources in general. Benjiboi 19:14, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

i want to know

why does possion happen —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.128.150.37 (talk) 19:05, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Not sure what you're looking for but you may want to try passion. Benjiboi 19:16, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

It's just so awful ...

... that homophobia even exists in such an anonymous room like WIKIPEDIA. :-(( Whenever I see how many users here are frightfully anti-gay, I always have to shake my head. You and I, we have never met here and we have never had any contact but I write you just to tell you that I support all homosexual WP-users 100%. I just came across your statement/announcement on your user page explaining why you wanna take a holiday from WIKIPEDIA. Please do not leave for good. Do not allow those homophobic idiots to defeat you. Everybody has a right to be here - not matter what sexual preferences there are.
--Fromgermany (talk) 19:37, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Thank you so much for your kind words. I have been simply taking a break lately whenever the stress level is too high but I've still been getting a lot done. Also, much to my surprise, the homophobia has actually helped in a weird way as so many times an article is targeted and the material in questioned is not only replaced but referenced so that many of the LGBT articles end up having more references than regular articles so to that extent others can still learn about LGBT culture even if a few of us get a few lumps along the way. All a small price to pay compared to those who are killed because they are gay or transgender. We truly have much to be thankful for! Benjiboi 19:47, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
Killed?? ... Yes, it's so shocking to hear about it. Every July I attend the Christopher Street Day parade (as the gay pride parade is still called in Germany) to watch the parade and listen to the speeches afterwards. The first time I went there I was deeply shocked to hear about how "nightmarish" a gay life can still be in some aspects. I was told things I had never ever dreamed of in my small (narrow?) heterosexual world. And how different the whole world is. Over here in Germany (and in a lot of other Western European countries - even including Roman-Catholic Spain - gays and lesbians are legally allowed to get married (or rather, have their relationship registerd in a registry office). And in other parts of this world homosexuals who come out face the death penalty (Saudi Arabia). I guess I'm not telling you any news here, eh? But the gays over here have a famous role model. Maybe you have heard about the mayor of Berlin Klaus Wowereit, who came out in the middle of an election campaign. Four years later he was even re-elected. See, there are signs that gays do not have to live on the edge of society. Be proud! Don't hide! You're as normal and as bizarre as we straight fuckwits. Also on WIKIPEDIA. ;-)) --Fromgermany (talk) 20:06, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
Yes killed, in America there are hate-crimes against LGBT likely every day and people are brutally killed seemingly every week but the US is a large country. I've heard of Wowereit and know there are many folks also doing tremendous work and i feel wikipedia is part of my contribution. And yes LGBT folks are just as messed up as everyone else, no one seems to have a lock on that! Benjiboi 20:13, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
Hate-crimes against LGBT likely every day????? - Thinking about such an awful thing nearly makes me wanna throw up immediately. Ever thought about moving to Europe (well, not Ireland or Poland for obvious reasons) to find at least a little rest and a little peace of mind? My aunt's best friend's daughter married her girlfriend of five years two days before Xmas. Their baby son is due in March. --Fromgermany (talk) 20:20, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
Well, just because these crimes occur every day doesn't mean they happen to me! And hate-crimes do occur worldwide so it's better just like with racism, sexism and classism that the whole world becomes a more peaceful place to live for everyone. Peace is where and what you make but one must be vigilant always and know that the world is getting better all the time. Benjiboi 20:27, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Fingerboard AFD

...and what is it that you are asking me to do? --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 23:51, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Per my note..."please consider revisiting the AfD discussion to see if your comments have been addressed. Benjiboi 23:52, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
I think you're pushing WP:CANVASS, even if you're pinging all who commented on the AfD. — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 23:55, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
I think if you look at WP:CANVASS it spells out how to avoid compromising wikipedia and I believe I have done a good job of sending out a friendly and neutral message simply informing that the article has been re-written (it has) and they might want to revisit the AfD discussion (they might); further, in the spirit of improving articles, I wrote "to see if your comments have been addressed". Please let me know if you think any of that is violating wikipedia rules. Benjiboi 00:02, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Fingerboard at DYK

A decorated fingerboard.

Fingerboard (disambiguation)

here is the comparison between my revision and your [current] revision. Mine is adjusted according to WP:MOSDAB - the main article at the top, and the others under it. Then the first link being the term, and no piping links. Check out WP:MOSDAB and tell me if you agree. It's not a big deal, but disambiguation pages are my specialty haha :) --Dan LeveilleTALK 03:20, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

I'd never read that MOS so appreciate you drawing attention to it and I've updated accordingly. Thanks! Benjiboi 09:10, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Dorothy goes to war

Just wondering, have you read that book, "Coming out under fire"? Because Moni3 actually checked it out of the library to verify if there was anything on the Dorothy quote, and didn't find anything to back up the assertion. Did she overlook something you found? Jeffpw (talk) 10:16, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

lol! Actually I was using it to bolster "With World War II gay men and lesbian women served throughout the services and traveled worldwide, potentially spreading the phrase through oral history." We're in a tough spot as the verifiability not truth credo really bites us and all minority communities that have flourished with oral history on the wazoo! Stuff i know is true simply isn't always in a published book and the oral history basically needs to be recorded then transcribed before it's real. And blogs don't count. So here's another case where old people are crazy because we can't prove them right. "See grandpa it was the Wizard of Oz, not Miss Parker..." We'll get it it right eventually. Benjiboi 10:23, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar

The Editor's Barnstar
For your amazing work on the Fingerboard (skateboard) article, I award you The Editor's Barnstar. Not only did you save the article from deletion, you improved the article so that it is well-referenced and has also been featured on DYK. Good job! --Hdt83 Chat 08:16, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
thank you! I'm a big believer in the Rescue project so i hope it survives and continues and I've also come to appreciate DYK as it provides some minimum structure and goals that, in theory, are achievable and encourage new (and expanded) articles to be well-written. Thank you again! Benjiboi 19:57, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Knitta

Hey, I changed the image sizes. I didn't realize there was a thing about that in the MOS, but I think I read it correctly that lead images should not be smaller than 300px. It was at 250. 180 was too small. The second image is too large at the default 180, so I put it back to 100. The last one looks good. Lara❤Love 21:31, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Actually you should remove all pixels from images. In essence you're making them smaller for some folks (like me) and too large for others. Each user should set prefernce for image size by following the "My preferences" link on the left side of page and clicking on "files". There you can set a size, this was news to me but it actually makes sense as extra markup is difficult for some operating systems (remember we're worldwide and many are on old or second-hand computers) as well as being a potential hurdle for those dealing with specially-able interpreting software. Benjiboi 21:40, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
Bah! I get it now. Thanks, Lara❤Love 22:04, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
Yes, it's not the most intuitive I've had to explain this to a few folks. The article is fun BTW! Benjiboi 22:07, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. It's been my favorite to work on. I changed the doorknob cozy back. I can only give so much. It's one thing to have it be so big, but to drop it to the right and have it leave a giant break between section, I just can't do it. It's going up on the main page soon for DYK and it's up for GA. Lara❤Love 22:30, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
No prob. Good work and good luck! Benjiboi 22:35, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

build Gay.com

No rush. Benjiboi

I'll help. I started you off. ;) --Dan LeveilleTALK 03:59, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
Lol. thank you, I have to save LPI Media first though. Benjiboi 21:26, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Cindy Crawford (porn star) afd

rush Benjiboi

Saved. Benjiboi 23:53, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Eric Dezenhall asap

Resolved.

clean-up and npov issues. Benjiboi 03:45, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Consider in other editor's hands Benjiboi 15:47, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

LPI Media rush notability

Resolved.

asap Benjiboi

Done. Benjiboi

Send to DYK. Benjiboi

Done Benjiboi 15:48, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Glory hole

  • From the mid-to-late 20th century glory holes could be found in many public men's room in the United States including adults-only businesses, bus and train stations, office buildings, and several other public buildings like departments stores and park rest stops. Whereas women's bathrooms would be targeted for "peep" holes for spying, glory holes were much larger and therefore more obvious. When an institution (school, governmental or business) would replace bathroom stalls they often would upgrade to stainless steel to discourage creating holes as well as other forms of vandalism.
  • [Glory holes were] once extremely common in public men's toilets

Find refs for above Benjiboi

I'm not so sure this article should have the LGBTProject tag since the very first sentence says, A glory hole is a hole in a wall, or other partition, often between public lavatory stalls or video booths for men or women to engage in sexual activity or observe the person in the next cubicle... ?? -- ALLSTARecho
You're kidding right? IMHO opinion, the only reason it says "or women" is homophobia. I've personally never even heard of women having or using glory holes but I've been wrong many times before. Glory holes, as far as I know, are a uniquely gay male artifice and were quite popular in adult bookstores and, as above, "bus and train stations, office buildings, and several other public buildings like departments stores and park rest stops". Many porn movies and erotic stories cover this aspect and entire movies are devoted to this activity. (See this for example.) Benjiboi
I agree with Benji on this. My understanding is that women on the other side of a glory hole is a heterosexual male fantasy, and just a fantasy. The article needs clarification on this, if refs can be found. I do remember reading that somewhere. — Becksguy (talk)
Of course, this could also be where a strait guy was told, so very much wanted to believe or otherwise thought it was a woman on the other side. As I think of it there was a scene in a Porky's movie using a glory hole in a shower and it was an older, less attractive woman. And then we get into the whole transgender arena where it was a guy and a girl depending on who's telling the story. Benjiboi
You and I know better but as long as the other sex is in the lede, the very first sentence even, it calls the tag into question. Just my thoughts on it. -- ALLSTARecho 08:47, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

I removed "women" from the lead in the article as unreferenced. I checked out the provided citations, and none say women use glory holes, and one actually says they don't. You do have a point, Allstar. — Becksguy (talk) 09:16, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Actually, Becksguy, I can find you several sources which show women using gloryholes. It is a relevant recent phenomena, but it does occur. That doesn't mean that the LGBT tag shouldn't be on the article, though, to answer AllStar's question. It obviously falls under the scope of our project, even if some straight women also avail themselves of this wonderful invention. Jeffpw (talk) 09:44, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
Maybe they do, but my understanding is that it's still overwhelmingly a male thing, especially in the public and semi-public venue such as men's rooms and porn booths. If you want to add it back, fine, but not as if they use it on par with men, as I think that's not justified. I removed it as unreferenced in the given inline citations. All the ghits seemed to be porn links. However, I would be interested in reading the citations, Jeff, if for no other reason than my own education. Unless they are porn videos. Thanks and Happy New Year. — Becksguy (talk) 10:14, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
I think I will be forced to concede the point. After spending a considerable amount of time (the things I do for Wikipedia!) researching gloryholes and women, the only links I could find were to porn sites with pics and videos on the subject. On an anecdotal level, I know that some women occasionally go there, but per WP:OR (and I shan't be detailing my knowledge of this subject!) and WP:UNDUE we can probably safely leave women out of the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeffpw (talk • contribs) 14:16, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
If we can find a source for the Porky's film should be enough. Don't give up, it's a big world and women can do most everything men can! Benjiboi 14:20, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

in re: Bisexual erasure

While assuming nothing but good faith on the part of the editor who merged the articles, due to the history of as well as lively and vigorous discussion about this article, I have restored the article and substituted instead two merger discussion boxes, one on Bisexual erasure and one on Biphobia.

I look forward to discussing and working on this and other subjects with you in the future. Respectfully CyntWorkStuff (talk) 02:05, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

you beat me to it! had you not restored it I would have. There's no reason both articles can't peacefully co-exist. Let me know if anything needs immediate attention and I'll be happy to lend a hand. Benjiboi 13:14, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

DYK

Updated DYK query On 31 December 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Fingerboard (skateboard), which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Royalbroil 13:56, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

thank you! I worked so hard on it I'm glad it was listed! Benjiboi 14:15, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Thumb sizes

Per MOS at Wikipedia:MOS#Images: Specifying the size of a thumbnail image is not necessary: without specifying a size, the width will be what readers have specified in their user preferences, with a default of 180px (which applies for the overwhelming majority of readers), and a maximum of 300px. However, the image subject or image properties may call for a specific image width to enhance the readability or layout of an article. That's why I did that. The images as they are throw the layout off into being all over the place. So, just FYI. -- ALLSTARecho 21:58, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

well I figured the article is going to be changed a bit more but with the galleries and pixels all those images are like the size of a penny. As each section grows removing the pixels should be less of an issue. p.s. I applaud your restraint from invoking "size queen" in this discussion! Benjiboi 00:24, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
lmao not invoking it shouldn't be confused with not thinking it. ;) -- ALLSTARecho 05:21, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
Ha! Benjiboi 20:47, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

DYK (Re:Judy Garland as gay icon)

Updated DYK query On 2 January 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Judy Garland as gay icon, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Cheers, Daniel 01:50, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

woo hoo, thank you! Benjiboi 01:51, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Re your comments on my talk page yesterday - you're welcome. As it happens I've always wondered what made certain performers gay icons, and now I have a much better idea. It was a fun read :) Gatoclass (talk) 06:00, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Well, it's just a stsrt, it's hard to find great RS that show that gays love Judy because she was brilliantly tragic, resilient, was a glittery star despite her tortured childhood, was a druggy with a flaming demise and danced with the hottest guys in town. But we might find them yet. Meanwhile the article is off to a good start. Benjiboi 20:47, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

just encouragement

Benjiboi, yesterday I happened to notice your "lead" edit flicker in and out of the LGBT page and then looked at your user page, with its rather unfortunate "Break!" notice. I am, however, quite familiar with the effects that homophobia can have on a person . . . so I just wanted to send a brief note of encouragement. You need to figure out your own way to develop both a tough skin and a tender skin -- and to do it in your own time. I just wanted to send a message reminding you what you already must know: that there are people who understand. William P. Coleman (talk) 15:03, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

I very much appreciate your message and would like to keep it as a reminder that there are others who do care. Part of the reason i have that message (still) on my page is that the second round of distress is, as of yet, unresolved and I seem to still find homophobia an ongoing issue. Many admins (and other experienced editors) seem to readily dismiss it as juvenile behavior but sadly mnay teens commit suicide and many LGBT of all ages are still routinely brutalized and murdered for nothing more than choosing to love someone other than the manistream norm. I work for a day when that is no longer the case; that neither such activities occur and homophobic vandalism is no longer tolerated. Benjiboi 20:39, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Having been where I have in the past, and particularly the past year on wiki, I can certainly appreciate where you're at. I've experienced some bizarre anti-TG behaviour here, and I'm still not entirely over the abuse from the (now indef blocked) user who almost chased me off wiki last year. I often struggle not to bite newbies over what I consider vandalism edits. I would like to see discriminatory vandalism of all varieties treated much more harshly than is the case right now. I consider WP:BLP as being an example of how strict wiki can be if it wants to be. If it helps, you're one of the very few editors whose main space edits I don't feel the need to review for possible reversion. :) --AliceJMarkham (talk) 00:16, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Lol! I feel much the same for your edits although my spelling is so bad you may want to double-check anyway! Thank you so much for your kind words and feel free to shout out if you need support. I have low tolerance for b.s.! Benjiboi 04:07, 3 January 2008 (UTC)