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[edit] You were called a Bigot on Radio Show in USA!

On the Jeff Rense Show on Sept 22, 2006 the guest named William H. Kennedy claimed that he got Brad Patrick to remove his entry from Wiki and that you were a Protestant Bigot from Nothern Ireland! Thought you would want to know. Yo Yo Go Go 00:50, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

A shame really that I don't believe you and that you appear to have all your facts completely wrong as usual. Ben W Bell talk 06:18, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
There is no Wikipedia entry on William H. Kennedy check for yourself. There used to be and now its gone. Brad Patrick caved in -- what a wimp! Kennedy was on the Jeff Rense show on Sept 22, 2006 and did call you a Protestant Bigot! If you are so divorsed from reality that you cannot assess hard facts than you are a typical Wikipedia editor! Yo Yo Go Go 11:51, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
No I mean who says I'm a Protestant? Also I don't believe my name appeared on some silly radio show spouting such incorrect items about me. Did you bother to check that small facoid? Ben W Bell talk 12:05, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
Well Jeff Rense has over 8 million listeners per day and you were mentioned. Check for yourself at www.rense.com -- you can fact check that yourself. If you are not Protestant than you can sue Rense for allowing Slander on his show. I sent the interview to Gerry Adams's group and others who do not like your kind. You are not from a Catholic background and it is for you to prove differently. I hope the Brit rule ends in Northern Ireland and it will as Catholics out breed the frigid Protestant men! Yo Yo Go Go 16:36, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
Who don't like my kind? I'm sorry but you've really got me at a loss here, I have absolutely no idea what you are on about. So may I ask, out of interest, what on earth I've apparently done to earn your animosity? Oh and I find nothing on that site about a show with my name being mentioned. Ben W Bell talk 18:36, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
You have to pay to hear the interview but millions subscribe. By "you" I mean the Orangeman bigot that you are and that everyone knows you are. Your neutrality nonsense fools no one.


                                                                   "Spirit of Bobby Sands"

24.147.33.121 19:41, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Just re-adding the IP signature of this user. Both users' (24.147.33.121 and Yo Yo Go Go) existance appear to be only to add comments to this talk page (see here and here). I have placed a warning on Yo Yo Go Go's talk page. --Mal 17:21, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Sorry you appear to have me confused with someone else. I'm not an Orangeman or a member of the Orange Order and I find the thought that you would think I am quite offensive. I cannot stand the 12th July and have no time for bigoted people on either side of the so called petty religious divide that exists just because some people cannot get along with their neighbours. Also you have not been able to tell me anything I've supposedly done. I've been accused of being a radical Unionist, and a radical Republican on Wikipedia and I can guarantee you I'm neither of those. I really should have been born Swiss or Swedish, neutral people who can get on with others. Ben W Bell talk 19:55, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] AvPvM links

But the links I added were relavent to those properties seeing the games does go indepth on the whole Alien and Predator universe in detail. AvPvM is not one of those here today, gone tomorrow fan sites. It has been around for years. The detail in the game (which I do not own or contribute too) goes in detail for Marines, Aliens, and Predator species independantly.

Have you even looked at **AVPVM to claim it does not follow all three species?

Thegrimmling

[edit] Useless Edits

You must have a lot of time on your hands. It seems to me that you are wasting your time spending your days changing your things from Ireland to Rep. of Ireland and from Ireland to Northern. This is an obvious political issue for you. According to Wikipedia's article on Country, it states that In the English language, the terms nation (cultural), country (geographical) and state (political) do have precise meanings, but in daily speech and writing they are often used interchangeably, and are open to different interpretations. When we are stating the country that a player or person comes from, we are merely stating a geographical location. Its obvious that your actions, are political and you are trying to make a political statement on each page. Frainc 16:27 20 September 2006

Um excuse me? I have no political motivations whatsoever with these edits, merely altering the items in question so the "Country of birth" points to the country article. Do you have a political motivation then to want it to point to the article on the island of Ireland rather than the country of Ireland when that isn't what the information is stated to be representing? Anyway nation, state and country are all Republic of Ireland, commonly referred to as Ireland. Also note that I am not altering the text of the articles, and I presume you're talking about the GAA articles here, to say Republic of Ireland, simply the linking to link to the country it is talking about. I have no political motivations whatsoever beyond striving for some degree of consistency and accuracy of definition on Wikipedia and these edits are by no means useless as you seem to imply. Ben W Bell talk 17:58, 20 September 2006 (UTC)


I agree with you Frainc, this guy has serious bias and political issues... Billythekid77


What the hell are you sending me vandalism warnings for Richard Harris for??...I edited the article to clarify facts.....if you keep it up ypu will be warned for your pointless reverts!!! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 201.71.155.34 (talk • contribs) .

I warned you for your edits on Richard Harris because you deleted half the page, most of his filmography, all his disography, all the categories and transwiki links. If this was not your intention then I apologise, but it happened. Ben W Bell talk 08:52, 20 November 2006 (UTC)


Ok I must have done something wrong...

[edit] Ethnocentric pro-alcoholic propaganda

Propaganda

Stop using Wikipedia as your own personal propaganda medium to promote the campaign of the United States for a world without drugs (that compete with the American Ones). If you want to have a rant against pharmacological dissidents try to make your own article on your "drug controls" which should be called "forced drug (v.gr. alcohol) promotion by the United States". User page Discussion Edit this page + History Move Unwatch Drcaldev 06:31, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Prohibition badly named

Ok, I accept your argument. So prohibition should be renamed to Prohibition (Alcohol).


Look, I assume good faith on your contributions and you shoulg do the same on mine. My behavior is not vandalic. Yours would be if you insist in bullying. Drcaldev 08:10, 26 September 2006 (UTC)


[edit] I ask for a ban or some stop to the revert abuse of "Ben W Bell", who vandalizes and reverts on my contributions

The statement by Ben W Bell in my User Talk: "Please stop using Wikipedia as your own personal soapbox to try and put forward your POV on topics" is a gratuitous personal attack which I responded to. I ask for banning Bell from doing vandalism on my contributions. He is obviously bullying because of his conservative militaristic POV, reflected in the contributions of his. Drcaldev 05:54, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Magnets

I used to think that my face had become a smoke magnet. No matter where I would sit, my (late) first wife's cigarette smoke would wander directly for me.

Looks like you've developed a loon magnet of late. Illegitimus non carborundum. ClairSamoht - Help make Wikipedia the most authoritative source of information in the world 07:02, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

I do seem to attract them don't I. It's like when I sit in the park and feed the ducks, all the local loons seem to come out of the woodwork and sit beside me. If I had a pound for everytime someone told me they had a nuclear bomb in their taty old bag I've at least be a few pounds richer. :) Ben W Bell talk 07:05, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Popular Alliance (UK)

Hi - you've just sent me a message complaining about my deleting content from Wikipedia. What I've actually done is move a biography of an individual on the Popular Alliance (UK) article into a separate article for the individual concerned. What's more I intend to do the same with the other bio. The objective is to make the page more like an encyclopedia and less like a soapbox for the Popular Alliance (UK). I don't see why this is considered vandalism but if you've got any advice or comments on how to do this better then please let me know. Dennett p 11:29, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Sorry my bad. Reading through the article again I see what you did. Accept my apologies, you are correct, but I didn't see the data being moved anywhere. Ben W Bell talk 11:44, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Don't be so one-sided

Ben instead of just targeting me and telling me not remove warnings, which are false and hypocritical,I suggest you take a look at what User:Hkelkar and his accomplice or could be sock puppet User:bakasuprman been up to. They seem to be tag teaming my user talk page and other pages. User:Hkelkar has also removed plenty of warnings from his page also. I have nothing to hide but I will not be attacked by a prejudiced bigot who alters pages to promote his political views. Thank you --Kathanar 14:13, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

You removed valid warnings, you have been blocked for them last week. Removal of valid warnings is construed as vandalism. Also accusing User:bakasuprman of being a sockpuppet of User:Hkelkar is just preposterous is you spend even 10 seconds looking at those user accounts, they are not the same person. Continuing accusations like that could result in action against you. I shall look into the edits of the others involved but do not remove warnings from your page. Ben W Bell talk 14:16, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Ben thank you for taking a look at the situation, I still think User:Hkelkar behavior has been more than unfair and uncivil and I think I'm getting the raw end of the deal, but it sounds like you're trying to be fair, and if thats the case I appreciate that. Note that he continually vandalizes Kancha Ilaiah page by removal of links, I have given him a warnings before and have given him a final warning. I want him reported, tell me if there is anything else you need. Thanks--Kathanar 14:49, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Actually my edits there are entirely valid as the links that he placed are irrelevant (Ilaiah is not a Dalit so links to Dalit don't count; Kathanar is trying to push an illegitimate POV here). If you remember our discussion regarding this subject earlier...Hkelkar
User:Hkelkar Your edits are illegitimate, if you are so vehement against Kancha Ilaiah, you would know he is in support of dalits and their rights, hence your attacks against him. You are further invalidated by the fact that on Kancha Ilaiah page it says specifically "movement for the empowerment of Dalits" in the first paragraph.
Ben this in itself should show you what type of person User:Hkelkar is and his tendency just to make trouble anytime he can by biasing anything with his own POV.
Dalits would count him as one of their own also, government of India definitions do not make for what he can support or identify with, he is of the lower oppressed classes and thats what dalits are. If you need to discuss this with me Ben, feel free to. Stop trying to spread lies on wikipedia User:Hkelkar, it should be beneath you and reveals you for what you are.--Kathanar 13:59, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
Kathanar deserves a block as do all the anti-Hindu users who accuse me of being socks behind my back.`Bakaman Bakatalk 00:05, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
Really can you explain this. Ikon |no-blast 08:33, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

User:Bakasuprman if you continue making baseless defamatory remarks, I will recommend actions against you. This should have nothing to do with you, and this is exactly why there were suscpicions of sock puppetry as you seem to team up with User:Hkelkar whenever you get a chance. Ben this is getting ridiculous--Kathanar 13:59, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Those pages were on my watchlist. I had edited Kancha Ilaiah in August even before Hkelkar and you ever came on wiki. Please see WP:TROLL and if any "case" is filed against me I will crush it and the cabal who motivates the action against established legitimate users. Unlike Hkelkar I am Heavy handed.Bakaman Bakatalk 23:58, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] British Isles

Yeah that was my intention. I guess I forgot to make sure El gringo still had the last edit before I did the revert. Sorry. josh (talk) 17:59, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Personal atatcks continue

I'm afraid I'm disappointed that the user kathanar persists on his vandalism and attacks in my talk page

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AHkelkar&diff=78325128&oldid=78310749

Pleae take some action as this user is becoming incorrigible with his tendentous vandalism. I'm surprised that admins ignore some user's misuse of wikipedia despite repeated complaints and personal attacks.Hkelkar 21:54, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Removal of warnings

Ben this fellow User:Hkelkar continues to remove the legitimate warning left for continually vandalizing Kancha Ilaiah page. He continually removes relevant links from Kancha Ilaiah page that I have to re-add constantly. I don't care if he claims a so called "anti-hindu" platform, which is a smoke screen to browbeat people and devalue and try to discredit other people. He has used this as a excuse long enough.

He seems to make a agenda of making harsh attacks against people that might remove bias or add relevant items to biographies of people he doesn't agree with. He is becoming quite a problem and he is hypocritical in that his first actions are to attack and make stupendous claims and warnings but will remove any legitimate warning from his page. He has been warned many times before, actions might need to be taken, as he is not taking seriously what civility means on wikipedia and thinks hes above others in being able to vandalize pages.

He along with User:bakasuprman(who I don't see why he gets involved in this, which what made me suspect sock puppetry) gang up and make attacks against others. Please take a look as admins had no problem taking action against me on his behalf, I don't seem similar fair treatment meted out against him. User:bakasuprman needs to mind his own business also if it doesn't concern him, even if they are buddies, and might need a reprimand for his actions. Have a good day.--Kathanar 13:36, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Baka is my sockpuppet? yes I see that this Kathanar follows the "time honored wikipedia policy" of everybody is assuming bad faith except for me and my monkey. If you look at mine and baka's edit histories you will clearly see that Baka has around 1000 edits making the claim of sockpuppetry patently ridiculous.Hkelkar 16:12, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
I have nearly 4ooo edits. Bakaman Bakatalk 23:56, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] User:Hkelkar has vandalized Kancha Ilaiah page again

Ben I am recommending action to be taken against User:Hkelkar, he has vandalized Kancha Ilaiah page again, by removing the links to Dalit, Shudra, racial discrimination and civil rights. This is not his right to do, and he does it with impunity. Action has to be taken, I recommend he be blocked, his behavior is beyond reproachable.

No he hadn't. Looking at the history logs he hasn't altered this page since yesterday evening, and he certainly hasn't done so since you last left a message on my talk page recently. I've looked at the list of see alsos on that page and removed some that aren't relevant or necessary, see the talk page. And please try and discuss your differences in talk pages rather than accusing each other of vandalism and leaving warnings on each other's talk pages. Assume good faith and discuss your differences of opinions. Ben W Bell talk 15:10, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
Kathanar has been steadily harassing me with bogus vandalism tags. Please talk to him or else his actions will go from unbearable to totally intolerable.Hkelkar 15:19, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, just looked at the logs, you're right he did it yesterday evening, action still needs to be taken as there is a continous history of it, and a history of him removing his warnings.It also happened within a 24 hour period. I've noticed you have not been making any strong condemnations toward him as much as you have toward me, I think you need too see whats fair here also.Tell me your thoughts, thanks--Kathanar 15:26, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for intervening on this issue Ben.I could use a neutral pair of eyes to root out the fringe lunatics who have been vandalizing the article, and I could also use your constructive criticisms of my edits.Hkelkar 15:28, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
Ben, User:Hkelkar seems to be gloating, thinking you're on his side, hope you show thats not true--Kathanar 15:33, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
If he were "on my side" he would not have criticized so many of my edits and I would not have agreed with him on most counts.The more correct statement is that I am on his side because he is an admin and I am more trustworthy of his assessment than a user with a clear systemic bias.Hkelkar 16:09, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
Your "edits" were clear unsustainable, I haven't seen any "criticism" yet of your edits, just removals, he needs to make a statement on your activities which he hasn't. I am curious as to why--Kathanar 17:17, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
All my edits werre sourced and from qualified links. Your (Kathanar's) edits are sourced from Bible-Thumpers and whack-job nihilists who can't be stated without appropriate qualification.Hkelkar 18:43, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Harassment by User:Hkelkar needs to stop

Ben I am being constantly harassed and hounded by this User:Hkelkar, he is constantly changing any of my additions to a article to a his POV bias and making threats against me, like he just did on my talk page. This is ridiculous, something has to be done about him, if you can't help me, then refer me to someone else who can. I think if you really have been investigating his actions you would act more fairly. I need a response soon.--Kathanar 19:05, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Point of fact I have always restricted my comments to content and not contributor. This kathanar chap chooses to interpret the comment as a personal attack and the last time I checked, wikipedia does not run on his interpretation. However, his constant bogus tags and threats of "action", as well as accusing me of being "anti-Christian" does count as personal attacks. Diffs are below:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Kathanar&diff=prev&oldid=78553249 http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Kancha_Ilaiah&diff=prev&oldid=78548521

Looked at both diffs, don't see any validity to his claims, look at history of conversation, and you will see its nonsense. He is targeting me and certain articles of because his personal POV and bias--Kathanar 19:36, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Edit summary is a personal attack: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kancha_Ilaiah&diff=prev&oldid=78547477

Just because you say something, doesn't make it true--Kathanar 19:36, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia policy WP:NPA says so my dear chap.Hkelkar 20:23, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
In case Kathanar tries some sort of Drumhead trial against me, I'd very much like your involvement if you could spare the time. I would also appreciate it if you explained to this chap the differences between commenting on content and contributor. he clearly seems confused between the two.Hkelkar 19:26, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
I don't see how he can talk about anyone else as his language is more defamatory and insulting than any I've seen on wiki, with the exception of a few, I think serious investigation is needed with his actions--Kathanar 19:36, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
Insulting towards content, not towards contributor. I actually think kathanr's a pretty nice guy.I don't consider his edits (most of them anyway) to be in conformity with wikipedia policy so I criticized them as is my duty as a wikipedian. I continue to be disappointed at the partisan biases on wikipedia articles which shoot the scholarly value of the encyclopedia straight to the Ninth Circle of Hell guided there by certain wikipedia Kerberoses (being such a Christian-lover, I'm sure Kathanar knows what that means). The reason why I joined up on wikipedia is because of it's reputation for inaccuracy which I am doing my level best to correct. I do not believe that we can let non-knowledgable editors mess up the process until they learn wikipedia policy and learn to do good research in order to make their edits. I am happy to help Kathanar in this regard provided he stops hatemongering and bugging me.Hkelkar 19:49, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
Wow I've never seen such a change of tune, it is schizophrenic though as User:Hkelkar has not tried to help or correct me in wikipedia, he has been attacking me and harassing me, there is a distinction. He is more than a little heavy-handed Ben and you should take notice of that. I'm glad he claims the he thinks I'm a nice guy, sure doesn't show in his actions <signed by Kathanar>.
Kathanar Might want to look up schizophrenia, as well as the mental diseases such as psychopathology, sociopathy and troll.Hkelkar 03:46, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] anti-Christian???

In fact, if you look at my edits to Persecution of Christians you will see that I am not an anti-Christian at all (as kathanar alleges), just anti-Fundamentalist-Christian. This entire section Persecution of Christians#Persecution of Christians in Pakistan was created and edited by me only.

See:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Persecution_of_Christians&diff=77902818&oldid=77768717


Hkelkar 20:20, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Actually your writings are also anti-muslim and and anti-pakistan, you just use one to justify the other when it suits you. If you were anti-fundamentalist christian, this is you admiting to this label, you seem to paint a broad stroke in who you label as such. You might as well say you're writings and editing are anti-christian--Kathanar 20:28, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
I hope that Ben will take action for another personal attack. This is the third one this day. Good thing Kathanar did it on an admin's page.Hkelkar 21:11, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your role on Kancha Ilaiah

I have come to know about situation on Kancha Ilaiah through my watchlist of some userpages.I blv you should pull out from that page because what I could see you do have slight inclination towards Hkelkar view , and should stop taking any admin action there because I don't think that will be neutral.Thanx. Ikon |no-blast 06:49, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Well considering you used to go by the username of User:Holywarrior and I intervened in that page before that ended up being mainly against you I'm not surprised you have that opinion. I shall intervene where I see to be necessary to stop disruption on Wikipedia. Ben W Bell talk 06:55, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
You are wrong to assume ended up being mainly against you your aim should only be that article should not end up against WP:Policy.BTW a little pondered part of wikipedia is gaming part done by admin.Don't forget the version carved before your alleged ended up being mainly against you was fecilitated by 3 admins which I can prove to be gaming by admins.Block on Khatnar wd be just repeat of the same old story paving way for Hkelkar and co. Ikon |no-blast 07:21, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
Well you have obviously not read a single piece of my intervention on this particular matter. I have no bias towards either user, and if you'll note I've just warned both users to cut it out or they each risk being blocked due to their edits and antics. As for gaming by admins I have no idea what you are talking about. Ben W Bell talk 07:24, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
Oh yes I should have seen both the page.I admit I was wrong to assume you threatened block to khatnar only ,infact Hkelkar's page is in my watchlist because we are editing many common articles and Khatnar's page and Kancha Ilaiah page is not in my watchlist.Sorry for bothering you. Ikon |no-blast 07:36, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bogus sock tags by ikonoblast

I should point out that he has placed sock tags on User:Bakasuprman also.Hkelkar 17:11, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for censuring him.Bakaman Bakatalk 21:31, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
Plz don't mislead I had tagged only after filing RFCU which is an accepted method, and tag was suspected only.Plz look what tag he had used on Dhammafriend and other page which was not even entertained. Ikon |no-blast 11:20, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] AfD headers

When closing AfDs, it is advisable to add the closing top template above the header rather than below it. I've fixed it for you : [1]. Please bear this in mind when closing AfDs in future, thanks! :) - Best regards, Mailer Diablo 08:44, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] You made it Now You proove it

Shame some of the ones you placed are not sockpuppets then. Hleklar-or however you spell it isn't a sockpuppet this has been proven.

Show me the proofs plz. Ikon |no-blast 12:56, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Also clarify who are others in your some-- To tell you I have spared even Densaguo the request of whom is not decline. Ikon |no-blast 12:58, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
A close look will reveal he is also from the same campus--Wow what a coincidence--- and that will be an interesting situation.3 persons sharing same set of IPs, pursuing same course and having same words and thoughts too!!!!!  Ikon |no-blast 13:02, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
Your silence is meaningful--- I wd say Khatnar or whatever way you spell was right in assuming you are clearly one sided and biased.BYE. Ikon |no-blast 13:15, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
It has been shown and proved that Hleklar isn't a sockpuppet of those you accused him to be. As for silence, well some of us have work to do rather than being on here over the last 25 minutes to reply to you. Ben W Bell talk 13:18, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
It is neither shown nor proved :have a look at RFCU result.I am not willing to accept off wiki medium which are obviously tempered ,lacks in transparency , and involves few ppl .BTW even that does not say he is not.  Ikon |no-blast 13:23, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
Howevr I must appreciate last statement did awake you in real time. Ikon |no-blast 13:24, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Oh and for your information I am not biased as you so stated in your edit comments. I have no favourtism towards any users on Wikipedia, or otherwise, in my role as an admin. If you have a grudge against me for some reason due to my opinions on the issues when you were the user HolyWarrior then come out and say it, otherwise leave my talk page alone. I have shown no bias in any of these matters as anyone who wishes to view my contributions can see, and the dispute between Hlelkar and Khatanar I undertook only to stop both users from further disrupting Wikipedia with their antics on both sides. Ben W Bell talk 13:31, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Your comments are almost equivalent to Hkelkar's comment that he is not sockpupeteer.You are wrong in requesting that I sd leave your page---Infact you must not make such proposition being an admin and not after having left a near insulting remark on my userpage.Thanks. Ikon |no-blast 13:34, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi, ikonoblast has made personal attacks against me. He has put vandalism tags in what clearly is a content dispute here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AHkelkar&diff=79038740&oldid=79038366

I have updates the npa report on him on PAIN but there has been no action taken against him due to backlog. His edits are becoming quite incorrigible and tendentious and perhaps something should be done here. I will not communicate with him as I do not wish to tag-war.Hkelkar 13:42, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Might want to take a look at this disparaging remark against you (and me also).Hkelkar 08:49, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
Update:Ikonoblast has removed the warnings you put on his talk page [2].Hkelkar 12:46, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Co Londonderry/Derry Thanks for the correction to my edit at Coleraine - I stand corrected :-) Blowmonkey 18:58, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I complain of Biased and stubborn reverting by this editor

I disagree with your personal attacks against any edit I make. I ask for a NPOV on my edits. You have demonstrated in Talk:Prohibition that you discuss without even reading about the topics in question (you claimed to be an expert on Prohibition before having read the article Prohibition (drugs))!!

It´s you who should read WP:NPOV. Neutrality arises from colective edition of the wikipedia. You are preventing that with an agenda of your own, and stubborn reverting. I disregard your vandalism on my edits. I insist: I would like to hear criticism from neutral and informed editors, but not again from you or your friends (who pop immediately to support you and your agenda) who for example say in Talk:Prohibition that alcohol is not a drug, and tell me POV because stating that it is.

That´s not serious, much less neutral from your team of reverters Drcaldev 06:33, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

And what friends would you be talking about? Just because other editors appear and support my position doesn't mean I'm soliciting them to do so. In fact with regards to your accusing me of calling up friends (something I haven't done), you in fact tried to rally round support for one of your set of changes from users in the Wikipedia community and they ended up voting against you. Calling terms that you may personally disagree with ad hoc proganda terms, is not a neutral perspective. Changing "Addiction is a chronic disorder " to "Addiction is a pejorative, historical term to refer to dependence on substances (such as analgesics) or behaviors (such as gambling)," is not neutral. You very obviously have a deep seated interest in one side of the discussions on these terms and the criminalisation of certain drugs in the United States. If you have such deep seated interests in promoting one sides POV and feelings then you can find difficulty in writing about a topic neutrally. I have no strong opinions on this matter, I simply am fixing disruptive agenda and POV pushing edits to Wikipedia which many of your edits unfortunately are. Ben W Bell talk 07:05, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
Also if you would care to check, this edit you made and made a personal attack against me in the comments section[This], if you check the history I didn't alter that wording except to remove a section and link to a dead article. The incorrect wording you corrected was actually inserted by yourself when you created the article, and it wasn't spotted until now. This comment "repaired distortion to nonsense (i complain of vandalism) by Ben W Bell" constitutes a personal attack for something which you didn't bother to check up on. Ben W Bell talk 10:23, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] UAE

Good work Ben.... I support your blocking one user, who has been constantly deleting stuff from the UAE human rights page. I tell you, that whatever is written there, is 100% true in the UAE(and Gulf). That vandal must be someone who supports these kind of human abuses. Good on you, Ben..

[edit] Thanks

Thanks for removing that misplaced comment from my user page. -- Gogo Dodo 04:30, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] You have a problem with Wikipedia policy?

According to policy I can restore deleted articals and they can not be automaticly redeleted when they are linked to the artical which it was and will be again.NazireneMystic 15:45, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Userboxes

No problem! Shadow1 (talk) 19:24, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] All in good fun

I'm just ahving a bit of fun. I knew all that would get deleted and I have no quarrel with any of the parties involved.

[edit] legitimate vs. non

Ben, I agree with the idea of leaving legitimate warnings on one's talk page. However, what you've reverted on my talk page is not a legitimate warning. Indeed, it is a content dispute, which User:Mantanmoreland refuses to address. Furthermore, you've got this to consider, As well as this, and the best one of all, this. Therefore, no hard feelings when I revert your reversion and hopefully force a little honesty into a debate that's long lacked it. --HomeComputer 07:28, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

The difference being none of those edits you have shown me include the removal of warnings for vandalism. Ben W Bell talk 07:41, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Derry

Ben - can you point me towards the guideline or discussion that states the naming convention for County Londonderry09:26, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

"All other things being the same" I don't think applies inside an article, where the context is clearly on one side. I would say DUP man Gregory Campbell grew up in the City of Londonderry, whereas IRA hunger striker Francis Hughes was born in County Derry. Don't you think this is more sensible? Fys. “Ta fys aym”. 11:19, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

It is sheer ludicrousness for you to compare references to 'County Derry' to renaming London as Berlin, and I'm sure you are intelligent enough to know it. There are stacks of pages mentioning 'County Derry'. There are also lots of places commonly known by an abbreviated form of their name: the city on the Humber is not called 'Hull' but Kingston-upon-Hull; Bo'ness is really Borrowstounness. And what about Rhodesia? The formal renaming of Southern Rhodesia as Rhodesia never happened (was never given assent).

The fact is that most nationalists refer to County Derry and indeed the Wikipedia entry on County Londonderry begins "County Londonderry or County Derry". Fys. “Ta fys aym”. 18:40, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Old accusations rehashed

Hi Ben.The old accusation against me regarding sockpuppetry has been rehashed and the account of innocent third party User:Shiva's Trident got indefblocked.I believe that such an act is unwarranted and I was wondering if you could lend me some assistance in making my case.Please contact me if you are interested in the details. For reference, I invite you to look at the RFCU in question:

Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/Hkelkar

as well as the associated talk page:

Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/Hkelkar


which adequately summarized my position. Thank you and have a pleasant day.Hkelkar 20:07, 29 October 2006 (UTC)


Hello, this case was just filed on RfA.Hkelkar 00:56, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi. I have sent you a mail yesterday about this incident as requested by Hkelkar. Forgot to leave you a message about it here. Please confirm that you got my mail. - Aksi_great (talk) 08:23, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
Aksi great has been circulating this communication around. Perhaps you should also consult with User:Dbachmann regarding this (who is an admin and an involed party).Good day.Hkelkar 16:25, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Barnstar

The Original Barnstar
For your hard work and dedication to improving Wikipedia, I, Sharkface217, hereby award you this Original Barnstar. Good job! Sharkface217 19:49, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
You're quite welcome, and I awarded it to you for your work with pages relating to the UK and Ireland. Sharkface217 22:00, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Batou/Bateau

I think that Wikipedia should be consistent in whatever it chooses for the name -- certainly not have "Bateau" used where the page is titled "Batou," for example. Based on the original edit at Batou and Talk:Batou, I thought that Bateau had the stronger claim; I followed up with some Googling, where Bateau seemed to be in common usage, and found that where names were spelled in DVD sleeves and such, it was Bateau. Since we have to choose one for consistency, that seems the better option to me. (Direct transliteration of the Japanese isn't always appropriate when western words are being used; e.g. Edward Elric certainly shouldn't be "Edowado Erurikku".) Kundor 16:58, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

The problem is that Batou is both much more common, and the official spelling used by Production IG Production IG Site. There is nothing wrong most of the time with direct transliteration of the Japanese in these cases, Edowado Erurikku is a very bad example as that is actually the best way they could translate into Japanese the name Edward Elric. Ben W Bell talk 17:02, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
My point was that both Edward Elric and Bateau are European names which were transliterated into Japanese, and as such we should use the original Western spellings in English. Given that Production IG uses it, I have no real objection to either spelling being used; I just want it to be consistent. I still think that Bateau has a slight edge, but if you want to change all the instances to Batou I won't revert. (There's a complete list on My contributions, of course) Kundor 17:14, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

I made a section about this on the main GitS talk page, as you suggested. Kundor 20:21, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Hkelkar

Hello,

An Arbitration case involving you has been opened: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Hkelkar. Please add any evidence you may wish the arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Hkelkar/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Hkelkar/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Thatcher131 12:37, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Troubles in Tynan

Ben. Very many thanks for the heads up. I've been through this before - see my comments on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Troubles in Tynan. People seem to have lost the whole stub concept and are keener to delete than add constructively to the development of articles. I am really fed up wasting time on these useless debates instead of writing articles. Sorry for the rant. Thanks again. Ardfern 16:34, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Just contacted the originator of the deletion proposal on her talk page, suggesting that a word with the author of the Tynan article first might have been courteous, only to be accused of harassment. Interesting. Looks like I may have to waste a lot of time on this. Ardfern 16:58, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
You have probably noticed the Wiki-destructors have been fought off successfully on this topic. Thanks again - much appreciated. Ardfern 23:28, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] User:Ikonoblast

He's back, and has made some allegations against you in my rfAr

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Just wanted to let you know.Hkelkar 08:48, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RfA thanks

Hi Ben, and thanks very much for your support during my recent RfA, which succeeded with a final tally of 64/0/0. I am grateful for the overwhelming support I received from the community, and hope I will continue to earn your trust as I expand my participation on Wikipedia. It goes without saying that if you ever need anything and I can help, please let me know. Wait, I guess it does go with saying. ; ) --cholmes75 (chit chat) 22:13, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Hkelkar

This case is now closed and the results have been posted above.

For the Arbitration committee, Cowman109Talk 06:03, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 32 county Ireland

This is a 32 county island of Ireland. "Co.londonderry is not in Ireland" Culnacréann 19:47, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wrongfully accused!

You just called me for editing the NI page - I was browsing looking for things to do in NI, as I was considering a trip there. When I read the wp entry, it had been vandalised to say that "Northern Ireland is not part of the United Kingdom", so, bravely venturing into editing a wiki for the first time, I removed the "not". Nothing contentious there I'd have thought - but on further inspection, I saw some smart@rse had changed the details on the right hand side of the page to show the capital as dublin, etc. etc. This was beyond my skills to fix, so I left it there.

Check your edit history properly before threatening to block people.

[follow up] Thanks for the apology, have a good Christmas.

[edit] All Ireland Champions - Counties

The counties listed are not stated and the legal place that they are from it denotes the Fleadh region they are representing - i.e. if you won the Dublin Fleadh it would not show you legal county of residence such as County Fingal, County Rathdown-Dun Laor etc but the representive county Fleadh, in that case the County Dublin Fleadh - same goes for Tipperary and Derry. Those who qualify outside of Ireland represent their local CCE branch. Its like saying that the articles Londonderry Port, Londonderry Sentinel Foyle and Londonderry College and Londonderry railway station should all be renamed to Derry as they as situated within the city, of course they shouldnt because they are not using they name in any legal sense Beaumontproject 11:02, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Countries

Then you had best get busy, as other stadium articles I've seen don't specify the country, sometimes they don't even specify the state, just the city (although I supposed most everyone knows where New York is). Wahkeenah 12:58, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

  • I'm not about to get into a standalone revert war on this issue. Just try it against Yankee Stadium, for example, and see if anyone objects. Wahkeenah 13:07, 10 January 2007 (UTC)