Talk:Benny Beaver
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[edit] Reverted content
I tried to add more citations and make some improvements to this article, but they were reverted here: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Benny_Beaver&diff=175357513&oldid=174913146. I think the previous (and now current, since the reversion) version had a number of unsourced statements, such as:
- the comment about beavers being a "natural" for a civil engineering school sounds plausible, but wasn't it an agricultural school at the time it was chosen? That needs a source.
- the sources used (and I added another good one that was removed) say that Bulldog was not officially a school mascot
- I cited where the first Beaver mascot was used, but the reversion went back to saying there was no evidence anywhere
- There was a "Billy" mascot referred to in the original sources; I added that information but it was removed
- I don't think the first guy in the beaver suit will ever have a WP article
- The mascot change coming about due to donor input sounds plausible, but we need to cite something that proves it
- Please cite about the new beaver mascot costume scaring kids
- Trivia sections are discouraged
- I haven't seen the WP:MOS comment about inward facing logos, can you please provide a link?
This article needs some work and reverting good faith edits is not a way to get there. Let's work together on this. --Esprqii 00:10, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
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* the comment about beavers being a "natural" for a civil engineering school sounds plausible, but wasn't it an agricultural school at the time it was chosen? That needs a source. I will supply that if necessary... but I think most people recognize Oregon State as an engineering school and not so much as an agricultural school. Agricultural was a big program at one time, but engineering has always been central. Example: Thomas J. Autzen graduated from OSU in electrical engineering in the early 1900s.
* the sources used (and I added another good one that was removed) say that Bulldog was not officially a school mascot. I read where it was the "adopted" mascot. Official? I don't think there were too many "official" mascots at any universities in the 1800s. They just adopted them. Feel free to add another mascot if it is sourced. "Billy" was left out and can be added in if you like.
* I cited where the first Beaver mascot was used, but the reversion went back to saying there was no evidence anywhere Reread the original and current copy. I say no "documentation existed until the yearbook sighting. It's sourced as well.
* I don't think the first guy in the beaver suit will ever have a WP article The first guy to ever where a beaver suit is a "Major" OSU donor. He recently remodeled Wetherford Hall and created the entrepreneur program, which operates within this building under his name. He will have a wiki... trust me!
* The mascot change coming about due to donor input sounds plausible, but we need to cite something that proves it That's fine... I can work on it... don't just remove it... Ask and you shall receive.
* Please cite about the new beaver mascot costume scaring kids This is something that is fairly common knowledge among Oregon State fans because, initially, the beaver costume looked just like the logo. It was quickly changed to the current... family friendly version used today. I think the Oregonian did a small blurb on it.. but not sure if it's source-able now????
* Trivia sections are discouraged Trivial information is discouraged (mainly for serious topics), but this is a page dedicated to a college mascot. Some trivial information is going to be acceptable.
* I haven't seen the WP:MOS comment about inward facing logos, can you please provide a link? Read the details of "Images" relating to profiles: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#Images AgntOrange —Preceding comment was added at 01:03, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
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- Fair enough. It sounds like we can work together on this. My main point was that "everybody knows that" type stuff is fine for an OSU wiki, but a lot of people who read this won't have the common knowledge that you (or I) might have. For example, you might want to mention that Austin is a major donor when you first make reference to him, so as to point out his notability. And provide a reference about OSU's civil engineering history. That kind of thing. Regarding the trivia, I say just go ahead and incorporate it rather than introduce it as trivia--like you say, most of it *is* trivia. I'm going to add some stuff back in when I have time but I'll add more detailed edit notes. Thanks. --Esprqii 01:11, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
For the most part... I believe I have provided the citation you wanted and responded to the questions you had. Let me know if you have more. Feel free to add in more facts. No major overhauls please... unless it comes with some "major" new contributions. Thank you AgntOrange 03:25, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
The request to site these items will take time... Have patience. Although these facts are well known.... they were probably not well documented. It will take some research time... AgntOrange (talk) 15:32, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
