Talk:Benigno Aquino, Jr.
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[edit] Allegation of bias
To quote, "Although Ninoy Aquino was recognized as the most prominent and most outspoken critic of the Marcos dictatorship, he was regarded by many, in the years prior to martial law, as representative of the entrenched familial bureaucracy which, to this day, still predominates Philippine politics." This part of the article is biased and needs to be suppressed.
- Actually, that's one of the more balanced parts. It mentions both good and bad about him. Mdotley 17:27, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
I don't see any bias. Ninoy Aquino came from political families: grandfather and father both served in high positions in government. His wife is from a rich and powerful clan. He himself had been "entrenched" in politics, having served as counselor, mayor, vice-governor, governor, senator, and had it not been for Marcos, would have been president. His brother, sister and now his son ran and won seats in Congress and the senate. The political system of "inheriting government positions" is a traditional practice in my country, and is widely accepted by the masses, surely a detriment to progress. In the Philippines a candidate to a government position with "no name", no money, and no political machinery, does not stand a chance of being elected.
[edit] POV
The article has too much {{POV}}. Most of it has to be rewritten or rephrased--not worthy of an encyclopedia article.KaElin 03:24, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
- I agree. The article's information is good, but the writing style should be revised to be more neutral. The statement "In myriad ways Aquino bedeviled the Marcos regime, chipping away at its monolithic facade" is diatribe and does not really impart any information. Gryphon Hall (talk) 23:20, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Housekeeping
/summary This is a barebones summary to initiate the article into different languages. Please do not expand. Please feel free to enter only essential data.--Jondel 00:46, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
I moved the page back from Benigno Aquino Jr. because he is more widely known under this name. As far as I know his father was not famous (or if he was, it's not in the article). - Hephaestos 08:03 27 Jul 2003 (UTC)
- Actually, he's more widely known as Ninoy Aquino. If you're going to use Benigno Aquino, then it should properly have the Jr. in it. It makes no harm in having Benigno Aquino redirect to Benigno Aquino Jr. It actually adds info for the casual researcher. I know Benigno Aquino Sr. is not known, but his son, Benigno Aquino III is a congress representative from Tarlac (and might possibly have his own article in the future). —seav 08:09 27 Jul 2003 (UTC)
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- That's a hard one (I'm beginning to think there are a lot of hard ones *grin*). I didn't know about his son either, but that sounds like a mitigating circumstance. If someone wants to move the article back to Jr., I won't object. - Hephaestos 08:24 27 Jul 2003 (UTC)
- Actually, Benigno Aquino Sr. was a Filipino senator, if I recall correctly. TheCoffee 15:11, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Do you mind if you guys elaborate on his Education? thanks John earlm 23:04, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
ehhh.... this needs to be checked for NPOV. Badly. - thesocialistesq
Please discuss Ninoy's educational background. John earlm 23:14, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
The discussion regarding Ninoy's imprisonment, military trial and hunger strike are all placed under the topic "On the Road to Martial Law", even though all these events occurred after martial law was declared. Maybe the next topic, "Batasang Pambansa elections and heart bypass surgery" can be renamed "Imprisonment, 1978 elections and heart bypass surgery" and the discussion of post-1972 events be transposed therein? [[Anyo Niminus 17:05, 21 June 2006 (UTC)]]
[edit] Imelda asked Ninoy to return if he leaves for a heart surgery?!
In the following snippet from the article:On May 8, 1980, Imelda Marcos came to Ninoy's hospital room. She asked him if he would like to leave that evening for the U.S., but not before agreeing on two covenants: 1.) That if he leaves, he will return; is 1.) correct?--Jondel 04:12, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
This is known as a Marcos (Imelda being a Marcos) "double talk" or as we refer in the Philippines "double speak" (a well-known Marcos ploy). She was granting him a "leave" on condition that he would return, when all the while she was sure that he would not, at least not in the near future because of a sentence condemning Aquino to death by the military tribunal. He returned anyway, much to the shock of Imelda and cohorts, and the rest is history.
[edit] Some problems
Is it appropriate to use his nickname so frequently instead of his family name? Seems to diminish the authority of the article, which already has a bit of a hagiographic tone.
Also: this article needs a lot more citations. One example is the end of the "I will go back" section.
A few too many weasel words (critics say, etc.).
[edit] Murder conviction
Aquino was convicted by then president Marcos of Murder. Pls note that this not a category for murderers nor or does it imply that Ninoy was a murderer.--Jondel 08:05, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
Aquino was convicted of murder by a non-legitimate, Marcos-controlled military tribunal. The conviction had no legal basis, no investigation was made and no legal recourse for Aquino. The link to "filipinos convicted murder" without an explanation, is, in my opinion, quite misleading.KaElin 23:39, 9 September 2006 (UTC)kaElin
- I agree. The case is the same for Lorenzo Ruiz (Spanish controlled tribunal), Flor Contemplacion(biased Singaporean tribunal)and others. Since it is controversial and may be misleading , I will be removing this category .--Jondel 03:12, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
Thanks, Jondel. KaElin 23:10, 10 September 2006 (UTC)KaElin
[edit] Rename article
I seriously think we should rename the article to Ninoy Aquino per the WP:MOS on article naming. Same reason why Bill Clinton is the article while William Jefferson Clinton is a redirect. Shrumster 17:17, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
- Agreed. -- • Kurt Guirnela • ‡ Talk 04:09, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
[edit] He can't be first gentleman...
...since he's dead already. The marriage lasts until death, not until the widow/er remarries when his/her spouse died. --Howard the Duck 08:05, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
- Ok, unless someone objects I'll be removing all instances of being "first gentleman". --Howard the Duck 11:23, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Timeline
It seems to me that Judge Regino C. Hermosisima, Jr. is not as important to the "timeline of Ninoy murder case" as references to him seem to indicate. I'm bringing it up here first, but I intend to remove some of the mentions of him, particularly his subsequent promotions, unless there are reasonable objections. maxsch (talk) 16:45, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
