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[edit] Robot Years?

It says Bender is nine, but 34 in robot years? I've watched every single Futurama episode and the movie but i've never heard of robot years.-Sean B.

[edit] more nerd binary

In the episode "the honking" there's a binary code on the wall 0101100101 (=357, "just jibberish"). Whereas the mirrored image 1010011010 which finally frightens bender is the binary equivalent of 666. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.135.108.230 (talk) 21:26, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Bender alloys

In the episode where bender becomes pharaoh, it is claimed he is made of an Iron-Osmium alloy. (With a nickel impurity.) So many different materials! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by PiccoloNamek (talk • contribs) 09:29, 28 September 2004 (UTC).

Also remember Bender sold his body in A Head in the Polls so the mix would change after that. --BenWoodruff 19:47, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, but they got the body back, didn't they? The body was sold to Nixon, who gave it back after the Futurama team used a voice recording of him to get the body back. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.109.86.72 (talk) 21:45, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Origin: Asimov?

Hello there. In Asimov's Prelude To Foundation Hari Seldon, when on Mycogen, reads out of The Book "The robot you see near the center was, according to tradition, named Bendar and served twenty-two years, according to the ancient records, before being replaced.". Does anyone know of a relation to Bender? --Reuben Honigwachs 20:08, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

-Take a look at this: http://www.samuelsdesign.com/comics/pages/super-war/startling49.htm

Could his name be a reference to Eando_Binder? --AnotherDoth 14:22, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lucy Liu

It is stated that Lucy Liu from the episode "I Dated A Robot" 'frequently' appears in Bender's chest cavity, however I believe she only appears in one other episode, "Love And Rocket". No? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 58.160.205.248 (talk • contribs) 10:17, 17 March 2006 (UTC).

I do recall seeing him toss her head out in another episode. Might have been someone else though. 75.153.221.227 08:05, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Yeah it was the head of Pavarotti that was in his chest cabinet before Lucy Lui was --Jackacon 20:51, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bender Bending Rodriguez / Bender (Futurama)

I don't think that the episode article should be called Bender Bending Rodriguez. Sure its his full name, but it is hardly ever used. Bender is used much more, and should be the name of the article. If no-one disagrees then I will change it. --DChiuch 09:05, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

I say stick with "Bender Bending Rodriguez", because even though it's not used much, it's still a canonical full name. Pikawil 01:52, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

- Canon schamon. Bender is his common name and unless you're a hardcore fan of the series, that's the name most casual viewers are gonna known him as. Besides, I don't trust the Simpsons/Futurama team to handle their canon, seeing how they often contradict themselves at one point or another. Jonny2x4 15:57, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

In the first DVD, Matt Groening says that his full name is Bender Unit 22 (Or some number around there). Waniou 23:03, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Actually It's Bending Unit 22

I added him to "fictional Mexicans" anyway. I hope that's okay.--T. Anthony 13:10, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

He was actually already in it but someone removed it when they added him to fictional atheists...which is probably wrong based on the events of Godfellas so anyway, it should be fine. Star dust 8212 03:04, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

He's said things indicated God is indifferent and that no one has souls, but I'd agree he's not really an atheist. I'm not sure he has any clear or consistent thoughts on the matter, but if we were to try to categorize him he might be closer to deist of some kind. Anyway I thought he'd been in "fictional Mexicans" before, but wasn't 100% certain.--T. Anthony 05:35, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

I agree entirely, it's not made clear and therefore he shouldn't be categorized as such. Star dust 8212 14:03, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Super King

Why does "Super King" redirect here? What significance does it have to Bender? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.214.121.72 (talk) 12:13, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

In the episode "Less Than Hero" Bender uses the name Super King for his super hero alter ego. Star dust 8212 15:07, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Benders Age Listed Differently

The info box has his head age as 1057. The trivia section has it down as 1060. The latter seems to be a bit more accurate, but which are we going with? -- Jelly Soup 10:35, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

This information is now incorrect. Good luck figuring out Benders current age as it is now likely in the hundreds of thousands if not millions. Generalleoff (talk) 04:31, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

The commentary to Bender's Big Score though said that he could live hundreds or thousands of years but not hundreds of thousands of years. Besides which a single Bender doing all this wouldn't have created dups; time paradox duplicates are created when past versions don't close the circle by themselves going back in time. (Example: Bender of 19 seconds ago) 76.97.135.125 (talk) 15:16, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

The fact remains Bender is at least the oldest living person on the planet- hirf —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hirf (talk • contribs) 21:53, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Name

Either this article should be moved to Bender Bending Rodriguez or Fry and Leela's pages should be moved to shorter names, because this page uses Bender's common name and the other two use their full names, which aren't used very commonly, just like Bender's full name. Some level of consistency should be aimed for here. --Kevin W. 02:41, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hardware and Software

Maybe it's just me but I think the Bender page is still far too large. In addition some of this information is completely unecessary in fact there are whole sections that I could do without. In my opinion the Hardware and Software sections should be flat-out deleted. However, I would like some consensus on this issue and even know if this is an issue at all. What do you think? Stupidhumanzz 22:48, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

I'd agree the software section seems pretty pointless and hardware should be greatly trimmed but not nessecarily deleted. I'd be more likely to support a move to delete the "Bender's Top Ten most used words section". It's a joke from a single episode and already described on that page, it really seems trivial to me without adding to the article. Stardust8212 14:55, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

I did some cleanup, probably not nearly enough as some sections could really use a complete rewrite. I removed some of the fancruft items and overly long plot element descriptions and portions trying to recreate the humor of the show (un-encyclopedic). If people want to know specific situations where these events occurred they should go to the episode pages, that's what they are there for. Stardust8212 06:39, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Since February this article has grown massively again (diff). I think it really needs to be trimmed of some of the in-universe fancruft and brought more in line with the preferred out-of-universe style. I may try to start this next week but it would be helpful if a few more pairs of eyes took the time to cut any one-off jokes, original research, speculation or generally trivial content. Star dust 8212 21:08, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm feeling bold tonight. Major trimming! Star dust 8212 00:34, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Benders Thoughts

In 1ACV03, it is revealed that Benders thoughts are transmitted on the same frequency as cell phones. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.231.129.45 (talk) 09:37, 4 February 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Is Flexo really a twin?

Though Bender and Flexo look and sound exactly the same (disregarding Flexo's magnetic goatee), can it not be assumed that there are millions more Bending Units that also look and sound almost identical to these two?

I suggest that Flexo be removed from the "Family" section of the short description. Kewlio 03:09, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

They are referred to as twins by the characters in the show. There may be plenty of possible ways robot kinship occurs, like the one you pose. I'm sure we could come up with plenty of scenarios that do or do not imply that they might be considered twins. But they are, according to what goes on in the show - I say that's what we should go by. Cheeser1 03:26, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

I brought up the same thing here but never got a response. I'm personally tempted to agree with you though Cheeser1 does bring up a valid point. Stardust8212 03:32, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Binary 00100100 as "Middle finger and horns"

This is fundamentally flawed. Even on a person with cartoon style four fingered hands. First of all, making "The horns" is incorrect, it would be the third finger on the left hand and the second finger on the right hand which is not horns but two "middle finger"s on a five fingered person. Of course if you assume there are only four fingers then there is no middle finger. Anyway, unless someone has said somewhere that this was the actual intent of the creators then this qualifies as original research and is completely unverifiable. Stardust8212 13:57, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

It's clearly sticking up both middle fingers, in counting binary - I reverted the change, instead of correcting it. I mistook it for saying both middle fingers, not something about the horns (yes, it's not that, but it is still something). And there is a middle finger - four digits on both hands means three fingers, meaning there is a middle finger (if it isn't already clearly analogous to our so-called middle finger). You can't seriously want to bust this up because you think it's OR and unverifiable - that's 95% of this article and every article that spends pages talking about a cartoon character. I mean, you didn't even delete the other speculative comment about his apartment number. Cheeser1 15:01, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Per your suggestion I removed the rest of the speculation from the Trivia section with the exception of the "Mirror, Mirror" reference because I think that may have actually been mentioned in the commentary, feel free to delete it if it wasn't. I believe I can find a source that says 00100100 is binary for $ but that's not really a good reason for it to stay. I'd be perfectly happy to see that entire section deleted seeing as the general policy is to Avoid trivia sections in articles but people tend to get angry when entire sections are deleted. Information about Flexo should probably be integrated into the article in some useful way rather than as a bullet point in a list but I don't have that sort of time right now. Stardust8212 15:38, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

about the middle finger possibility, Bender has 3 fingers. therefore the code for such would be 010010. i hope that helps. if you disagree than 645 or 18 you.

[edit] Soaps

Should we add something about him being on soaps.

[edit] orgonise

can some one please orgonise the page because it goes from one thing to something completely different

SHORE I WILL ORGONISE IT RITE AWAY JUST FORE U OKAY BAI

[edit] orphans

It says he has a fondness for orphanse but he only adopted them so that he could get money from the goverment ans when he relised they costed him more then the government gave him he sought to get rid of them

[edit] Bender's favorite phrase

Well, although I've seen most of the episodes several times and was completely sure that it's "kiss my shiny...", you made me watch the last episode (S05E16) again. To my frustration, you're right :(, it's really "bite", not "kiss". Sorry, now you can laugh at me :)

- Jkt 15:27, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bender's Name

In the Time Bender Trilogy, Bender's name is spelled 'Bender Bending Rodriquez'. There may have been an acute over the final 'e' as well, I don't entirely remember. Should this be mentioned? - ТģØ (Đ {ŧª∫Қ ↑¤ Мә} 01:12, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Breakfast Club?

Can anyone provide a source that his name comes from the breakfast club character? CPitt76 03:11, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bender's trouble with the law

I'd like to see a section detailing Bender's run-ins with the law - like the court order that says he's not supposed to sing -- and others 71.14.115.135 11:10, 23 July 2007 (UTC)alvastarr

Yes, let's fill this article with trivia, lists, and in-universe garbage even more than it already is! Wait, no, let's not do that. --Cheeser1 13:05, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ethnicity

Are you sure he's not from an Irish Catholic family? Everyone else on Wikipedia is. ;o) 86.17.211.191 18:32, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] bender..

wow this article is so bad. u shouldnt describe bender as if he wasn't fictional. maybe in origin instead of his fictional origin we can have something that isn't totally useless. maybe we can put that he was created as a way to get around the censors.. visit the futurama page for info about that. all of the information in this page shouldn't span more than one paragraph —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.102.205.199 (talk) 01:12, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Processor number - Relevant/irrelevant

An edit war is brewing over the relevance of Bender's processor. One person argues that it has no "real world relevance" while I feel that Bender's processor (6502) is a real microprocessor used in early home computers such as Atari and Apple and thus warrants inclusion. I back this up by the fact that other parts of Bender are listed in the description such as his unit number, serial number, and chassis number. What argument is there against including his processor type? Lighthope (talk) 20:50, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

There is only an edit war brewing if you fail to heed the consensus-building process. Otherwise, we can continue to have this discussion. The processor type has no real-world relevance because this is an article about a fictional character. If some source says something about the processor, connects it through some meaningful (or even meaningless) analysis to a real world significance, then it's worth including. The fact that the article is chocked full of other meaningless in-universe information is irrelevant. Efforts to scale back the in-universe drivel in this article may have not succeeded yet, but that's no excuse to continue to add such information and make the problem worse. Refer to the large tag at the top of the page. --Cheeser1 (talk) 22:53, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

As an aside to this, about a month ago I trimmed quite a bit of the in universe info from the article including the processor type (here) and I still think more needs trimming. That being said I agree with Cheeser1 and think that users who really want to expand and improve this article would do better to find out of universe evidence of notability rather than re-adding minor details and jokes from the show. Honestly, other than the one time it is mentioned did Bender's CPU have any impact on his character's role, does it affect how he is received by critics? Should the unit number, serial number or chassis number be included? Probably not, it's a game of balance to describe the character without going too overboard. If you can find a reliable source that discusses the processor (or any other aspect of Bender) then by all means add the info to the article, otherwise I wouldn't recommend it. Just my 2 cents of course. Star dust 8212 23:18, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

If we are going to add part and model numbers, then we can not not discriminate. Add it all or delete it all. At least the processor type was more interesting because it was a real processor, rather than made up stuff like the rest of his parts.

And Cheeser1, if you want to take the high road, than you should have started a discussion on relevance on the talk page first, rather than deleting information and presuming your edits are "best". Lighthope (talk) 23:53, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

First of all, this is not all or nothing. If something is verifiably relevant by being mentioned in reliable sources, then we include it. If only one part or model number is relevant, we (should) mention only one. As for "the high road" - the onus is on you to substantiate your edits. I am not reverting to "my" version or the "best" version - I am reverting to the version that previously exists by consensus. My attempt to steer this discussion in the proper direction is not an opportunity for you to criticize me.--Cheeser1 (talk) 00:16, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

I have justified my edit. You are the only person who seems not to like it. Unless you can muster support for the exclusion of the processor type, the information should be replaced. I reject your assertion that the burden is upon me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lighthope (talk • contribs) 05:02, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Note: I have already stated that I agree with Cheeser1 which means s/he is not the "only person". Secondly, WP:BURDEN is Wikipedia policy and if you take issue with it I recommend you take it up on the talk page there as we are not going to attempt to change policy here. Star dust 8212 12:14, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

The WP:BURDEN article you present has to do with citations and sources, not whether or not something is relevant. However, since you have agreed with Cheeser1 regarding the 6502 processor of Bender not being relevant to the article (which is illogical since, as I pointed out, there are other parts of Bender which survive in the article), I will bow to the majority and leave it out. If more people come along in the future and change the majority, then we will reinsert it. Lighthope 22:10, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

The point I was trying to make is that that particular factoid is not notable, you clearly believe it is notable therefore the burden is on you to prove it is notable by providing reliable sources discussing it, that is how we establish notability. And as I've already stated I believe more in-universe cruft needs to be trimmed from the article. The problem of having too much cruft in the article will not be solved by adding more cruft to the article so the argument that we should not add this bit of cruft is perfectly logical. Anyway, I'm glad we've all come to an agreement for the moment, let's get back to the real job of writing an encyclopedic well sourced article. Star dust 8212 22:38, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:YoungBender.jpg

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[edit] Special Thanks in Contra 4 Credits

"Bender Bending Rodríguez" is given a special thanks in the credits because one of the directors behind the game is a huge futurama fan, worth mentioning in the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.97.120.37 (talk) 14:49, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Is there a Reliable Source discussing this? Star dust 8212 14:58, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

I know this is worth absolutely nothing, but I was talking to a friend who contributed to the game (he's also in the credits) and told me to look for bender and explained why. At the very least, the fact is that Bender is in the credits, I could take a photo if you want, I'd just have to finish the game again :P —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.97.120.37 (talk) 02:34, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Job

Could someone update his job in the info box in accordance with the new dvd? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.244.33.47 (talk) 13:51, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Done! The idea of Bender being "assistant manager of sales" cracked me up too :) 85.28.125.37 (talk) 23:29, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bender's Age

In the episode of The Simpsons, "Future-Drama", Bender appears with Homer and Bart. Through the actions that he does in that episode, that makes Bender more than 950 years old. This is due to the fact that Bender appears in the late 2000's, and he is still alive in 3000.

Also, in the episode where Fry becomes his own grandfather (I cannot remember the episode's title.) he gets left behind, making him EVEN older than usual. Stickmeister (talk) 22:09, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

hte episode you are refering to is rosewell that ends well.

Cannoity of that Simpsons issue in the Futurama universe is questionable. But in any case it's trumped by the events of Big Bender's Big Score. While we can place a lower bound on his age by the end of it, we can not place an upper bound other than DVD commetary saying Bender "can live hundreds or thousands of years but not hundreds of thousands of years." We also know that there is a whole room full of time-paradox Benders that start spontiously exploding in the last minute of the film which would indicate the vast majority of the trips are time-parodox Benders. Jon (talk) 23:15, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

I suppose if someone were to work out the age of the actual original Bender, you could determine his actual age. Although I don't know it's possible... It would be something like 1016 (9 plus the 1007 years he waits for)? I suppose you would have to take into account all the years he spent waiting to return to return when he was logically supposed to when time travelling, but wouldn't continuously going back into different time periods somehow negate that? My brain hurts. Maybe it IS best if we stick with the normal age or change it to "Unknown" or something. In fact, it would be an interesting thing to include into the article, as it doesn't go into very much detail about it all. .:Alex :. 16:29, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

I saw Benders big score and it was riddled with time pardoxs that shouldn't happen. we should disgard that all together. when bender went back in time to steal stuff, why didn't he just wake up occasionally and steal instead of going back thousands of times over.

[edit] The Countess de la Roca

I feel she should be mentioned in the info box. I realize she only appeared in one episode but, She appears to be the only fem-bot Bender has ever fallen head over heels in love with. He seemed to care about her deeply. And was slightly saddened by her death. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.226.221.176 (talk) 22:54, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

What about Angleyne in Bendless Love? L'Aquatique[talk] 02:56, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Removal of information

The information previously in this article is not suitable for this site, so it has been removed. Most of the information was just pure original research, while the rest is just not suitable for an in-universe description of the character. Both his role in the series and his overall personality should be described within two or three paragraphs. That information should be directly sourced by something, preferably information from the creators rather than the episodes. The current layout is based on Troy McClure, which is a featured article. If you believe that the information was fine, you're currently on the wrong site. Finding a good wiki on Wikia would be a good goal. TTN (talk) 19:38, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

I didn't believe this edit was very helpful. We don't work to a deadline or use other articles as templates. Perhaps you'd be better off forking if you don't like our articles. Catchpole (talk) 07:23, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

I agree with TTN's removal of the in-universe plot summary; its restoration -- esp. the trivial hardware, software, alternative appearances sections -- is a step in the wrong direction. --EEMIV (talk) 18:37, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

While I think this is obviously a drastic change I feel that starting with more of a bare bones approach will put more of an emphasis on including only what is necessary and sourcing claims, eventually resulting in a much improved article from what we started with. Sometimes the first step in cleanup is getting rid of all the junk standing in your way. Also note previous discussion about issues with hardware and software sections at #Hardware and Software. Star dust 8212 19:02, 10 June 2008 (UTC)