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[edit] The "Box" Time

Time to settle some issues! This is an open discussion!= Ben Wallace is definetly one of the "coolest(meaning afros and stuff)" centers in the game, period. He deserves to be defensive player of the year...... or does he?

Ben Wallace is an overated center, as there are much better centers out there. His height is the main issue, and centers such as Yao could eaisly overpower him. Any disagreements? Boxbrown 01:47, 4 April 2006 (UTC)boxbrown "the box"

your kidding me right? Yao Ming is a stick figure.

Usually stick figures don't average 20 points and 10 rebounds.

c'mon yoa ming is 7'6....he should be leading the nba in block shots,rebounds and houston should lead the nba with points in the paint....but yet he is getting he is shooting the ball from free throw distance and also getting blocked and dunked on (lol nate robinson blocked him good.) he is overated!!! he should gain some weight and play like a true center. (grim reaper)

[edit] Tremendous Athlete

Ben Wallace was an all-state baseball, basketball, and football player in high school. Did you know that? 66.166.172.178 18:58, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Error on article page

There is a mistake in Article section for Ben Wallace. 6'9" is exactly 205.74cms (roughly 206cms) while 6'8" is 203.2cms not 199cms. 199cms will be about 6'6"1/3.

"He is listed at 206 cm (6 ft 9in), although as he has stated probably stands closer to 199 cm (6 ft 8in) and weighs 109 kg (240 lb)."

Should be fixed, and adjusted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.186.43.174 (talk • contribs) 02:12, 24 May 2006

Is there a reliable source that state Ben Wallace stated he is more of a 6 ft 7 player? (which is 201 cm and 199 cm is 6 ft 6 in. Not 6 ft 8). If the previous person said that he or she had source saying "Ben is 199 cm and is 6 ft 8 in" that article is probably inaccurate. I have seen Wallace in real life back when he was Piston and was standing beside Darko Miličić (which is 7 ft, currently playing in Orlando) Wallace was about half a head shorter than Darko Miličić. So that about 6 ft 8 or 6 ft 9. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.121.15.175 (talk • contribs) 21:54, 29 May 2007
Unfortunately, we cannot write articles in Wikipedia based on what we personally have observed, see WP:NOR. Articles should use reliable sources. According to the official NBA website, he is 6-9 (2.06) and 240 lbs. (108.9 kg.) See also Basketball-Reference.com.
Bash Kash (talk) 03:31, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

He says it himself "I'm 6'9" without the fro, 7'1" with the fro." See: http://www.bigbenwallace.com/video.html. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ijhutch (talk • contribs) 18:07, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Ben Wallace & The Chicago Bulls

if players who are drafted but not yet signed are considered members of their team, so should free agents who have agreed to verbal terms. there have been several edits by users changing Wallace's team back to the Pistons. He is a Chicago Bull. I will aggressively revert any edits that say otherwise (unless he agrees to sign with another team besides the Bulls). Drmagic 02:22, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm not taking sides here but just letting everyone know that NBA.com don't always keep their pages up to date, it may take a full day for them to update their rosters to reflect real life happenings. But that's not to say Ben Wallace is with the Bulls. Officially, he's not.--Downwards 04:07, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

I agree with Downwards, Wallace is officially not with the Bulls. Thanks Jaranda wat's sup 23:40, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

It should be pointed out that rookies are considered members of the teams that drafted them because the sole negotiating rights belong to the teams unless they trade or otherwise relinquish the rights. Likewise with free agents, they are considered members of their old team and count against the salary cap until the player signs with another team or the team renounces the player. So Drmagic is comparing apples and oranges. Ytny 22:02, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

(2007) This discussion section is now over since Ben Wallace is now a Chicago Bull player

[edit] Let's put fan loyalities aside

Ok, we all need to chill out about the current status of what team Wallace is on. There needs to be a thought out argument here that doesn't attack other users. Yanksox 01:34, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Protected

I briefly protected the page rather than block both users. Talk this out. --Woohookitty(meow) 02:08, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ben Wallace has played for the Bulls?

Can we please remove Chicago Bulls players? This article is to reflect real life, not the future. This is an encyclopedia. For unofficial roster changes, go and play NBA Live. --Downwards 04:42, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Prehaps it could be reworded to reflect the fact that he was recently acquired to play for the Bulls. It appears with all possible signs that he is now a Bull. It's a bit of speculation, but based mainly on logic and sources. Things like these are never released officially till much after the fact, but it is accepted as a fact by pretty much all notable sources. It creates a real nightmare for any player's article during the offseason. Another alternative is to mention that official he is a free agent and add a section on apparent signing by the Bulls. Yanksox 04:58, 5 July 2006 (UTC)


I agree with the latter of these options. One point being that, until a contract has officially been signed, there's always the remote chance that Ben could have a change of heart (It's rare, but it has happened). Technically, he has not been acquired by anyone, and is not currently a member of any team. The latter of the options you present (labeling him a free agent, having a section regarding his agreeing to terms with the Bulls), accurately describe Ben's current situaton. Venknat 05:23, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

OMG, how dumb is this, if Ben changes his mind all you have to do is take the info about Ben on Chicago, thats it short and simple! --Phbasketball6 15:26, 5 July 2006 (UTC) Ok Ok, good point and I agree. --Phbasketball6 16:25, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

The point is that he actually isn't a member of the Bulls yet. He can't be until the 12th. Thus, it's factually wrong to put him in as a Bull until then. The fact that you can remove premature statements isn't an excuse for making them in the first place. Venknat 15:56, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

It's better off to still leave him with the Pistons and add a ref about the singing with the Bulls in the lead and in a paragraph, then when the deal is official, the lead can be changed. I'm going to do that right now and a currentsport tag. Thanks Jaranda wat's sup 23:43, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

I did some fact tags for PoV and WP:NOR, remove spam and some trivia and placed a current sports, I'm still want more discussion on the Bulls thing before I or another admin unprotect. Thanks Jaranda wat's sup 23:57, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

guys, lets just put the following on the main page:

ben wallace has verbally agreed to play for the bulls in the 2006-07 season like on the nazr mohammed page and the peja stojakovic page says. he hasnt signed a contract with the bulls, therefore is not a bulls player, but he has agreed so thats the fact and lets put that on the page. all those in agreement say so below. --Bucsrsafe 11:10, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

I unprotected it knowing the Wallace is basiclly a bull now. Jaranda wat's sup 06:22, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] what about Nazr Mohammed?

his page was edited to list him as a member of the Pistons. yet i don't see anyone bitching about that. 12.100.11.146 13:17, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

If you want to change that, I'd be in agreement too... suffice to say this is a function of fewer people caring (and those that do care care less) about Nazr Mohammed than about Ben Wallace. Venknat 15:55, 5 July 2006 (UTC)


[edit] all this over some rich guy?

seeing so many people arguing & jockeying over a multi-MILLIONAIRE that could care less what we write about him on some site called Wikipedia. watching all of this is so pathetically funny. *LOL* 24.148.74.156 00:13, 6 July 2006 (UTC)


valid point...but hey there are tons of rich people with articles on Wikipedia. and at some point there has or will be edit-wars over each of them. it's just Wikipedia nature my friend. Drmagic 13:06, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] More controversy

Ok, I've stepped in and made this edit regarding Wallace's status. It's pretty much the status quo to immedially change the team name when a player switches over, however, I guess there is a chance that something will happen. Personally, as a Celtic fan, I wish he was here. Anyways, let's try to settle issues like this here on the talk and not in a 3RR war. Yanksox 00:05, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Agreed that this is the status quo. And plus, since this IS wikipedia, we can change the article as new events happen. But for now, he is a Chicago Bull. I'm still having a hard time figuring out why this has become a big issue. Dknights411 18:52, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I've relisted the category

My resons for relisting the Chicago Bulls players category is that: 1. The wikipedia article refers to Ben Wallace as a Chicago Bull in the first paragraph. Not listing an appropriate category is makes the article inconsistant. 2. The NBA officially recognizes Ben Wallace as a Chicago Bull. 3. The category is Chicago Bulls players, which I interpret as players associated with the Chicago Bulls (as players obviously). Ben Wallace is associated with the Chicago Bulls at this moment, so he should be in the category. 4. If something happens between now and the start of the season, then we can make the necessary changes then. But for now, we have to keep this up to date. I mean, this IS Wikipedia after all.

Anyway that's my offical stand on this issue, and I think we should leave the article like this for consistancy purposes. Dknights411 23:41, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Virginia Union is no coincidence

The article says "Coincidentally, Oakley also attended Virginia Union as well". Wallace turned to Oakley after graduating, and he referred him to VU.

Here's the relevant fact: (http://www.truehoop.com/chicago-bulls-27651-from-the-archives-a-ben-wallace-feature-article.html)

"Oakley steered Wallace to Cuyahoga Community College, near Oakley’s childhood home in Cleveland, Ohio. As a sophomore, he averaged 24 points, 17 rebounds and seven blocks per game. When his two years there were complete, Oakley helped Wallace transfer to his own alma mater, Virginia Union. "

Could someone correct this fact as I'm not a native English speaker? --Duopixel 05:21, 13 September 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Harold Lee

I have deleted a subject about Harold Lee. I think that is the action of a fan of Ben Wallace. I hope that I have done the right thing :P Towerman86 18:30, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Trade deadline

I've semi-protected the page for 24 hours so that there won't be any speculative edits while the trade is being officially approved by the league. --Madchester (talk) 21:50, 21 February 2008 (UTC)