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Contents 1 Separate Characters/Villains Pages 2 Aliens 3 Personality change 4 Copyright 5 1st Episode Mystery 6 Alien Force game 7 Personalities 8 Target Audience

[edit] Separate Characters/Villains Pages

Should there be separate villain pages created because the link takes you to Ben 10's villains, not Ben 10: Alien Force's villains. As for the characters, let's create a separate one when other Alien Force characters are introduced. (Characters that haven't appeared in Ben 10).--Yenaldooshi (talk) 20:44, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

I would have thought that AF should follow the same layout as Ben10, in terms of subpages etc, for consistency's sake if nothing else. Ged UK (talk) 20:54, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Or it could be merged under an Alien Force section.--Yenaldooshi (talk) 20:59, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

I'd have just thought we would be saving ourselves future work, but equally setting up all the subpages now might mean that they end up either as stubs or listed for deletion. Meh, I don't think I have an opinion on this! lol Ged UK (talk) 21:03, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

I think the existing pages need to focus on the metaseries, and for the minor character, simply weed out the truly trivial ones. That way it does not get too lengthy, and can include characters from both shows. And because the new articles dont exist yet, we can avoid a possible merge down the road. Rau's talk 21:14, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

(As per list of omnitrix aliens talk page) Sorry, are you saying there should be one page for villains (and one for characters etc) that are in Ben10, or AF (or presumably the film), rather than a different page for each show? Because I think that's going to give us far too big a list (for villains, characters, allies etc); it's already rather large and unwieldy now. Ged UK (talk) 17:18, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm...good point...--Yenaldooshi (talk) 21:18, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

That is what I'm saying. But we do not need to list every named character, we can weed out the ones that only had one or two episodes. Rau's talk 21:08, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

I've no problem with that, but 1) it'll need a hefty prune and 2) there will be a load of people who keep putting things back in, their fav character who was only in one ep etc. Ged UK (talk) 21:26, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

You will always have that, but if it gets too severe, there is always page protection. And the list was too long as it is. This was a necessary step either way, but im up for helping with it. Rau's talk 21:35, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

True enough. Well, it's fine with me, I'd suggest we try to agree on what the list should be in the talk page first, to save constant reverting. I'll put the list up in a bit. Ged UK (talk) 21:43, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. Rau's talk 21:53, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

@_@... umm...agreed then...--Yenaldooshi (talk) 19:42, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

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I am reviving this discussion. Someone has ignored this discussion and created the page anyway. I did not notice this, and it seems only a handful of editors did. I have reverted the page to a redirect, if you have a problem with that, bring it up here. Rau's Speak Page 00:54, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Aliens

Wait, does he still have the others from the first series? Rau's talk 22:03, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

No, they're pretty clear it's a whole different set. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 22:05, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Is it ever directly stated that he no longer possess the other 19 aliens? Rau's talk 22:47, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm sure it does somewhere. Something about the watch being reset with ten new forms. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 22:56, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

He just puts it on, and they're gone? Shouldn't that be mentioned in the article? Rau's talk 00:13, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Penguin, it never said that they're gone. However, some people say that they are, and some say they're there, but Ben has to unlock them again. Nothing is set in stone. The Matyr ^{(converse with the Matyr)} 20:59, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Thats why its written the way it is, to prevent it from being definite either way, at least until a source says one way or the other. Rau's Speak Page 21:19, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

On Ben10toys.net, there was an image of a Heatblast bobblehead along with Big Chill, Goop, and Swampfire. They all had green Omnitrix symbols instead of the regular white. Why would they just make one original Omnitrix one instead of others? There's going to be a Pyronite kid on the show, so he probably got his DNA or something. Unless if Ben forgot about getting DNA on the Omnitrix -_-' . Also, since the Omnitrix has changed, he probably got a new set of aliens to go with it. Either way, Ben eventually has to unlock the aliens later on his life time as shown in Ben 10,000.--Yenaldooshi (talk) 21:02, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Which has been stated numerous times as non-canon. For all we know, the omnitrix might switch to gwen, then ben takes up magic, then he dies of cancer. That could be how the show ends. Problem is, its OR. Rau's Speak Page 22:22, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

I thought Ken 10 was non-canon...wait, so the future episodes (Ken 10 and Ben10,000) are non-cannon right??--Yenaldooshi (talk) 21:15, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

I just said that... Rau's Speak Page 22:17, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Ken 10 is is canon, it just takes place in an alternate future that is, or is no longer, possible. Its like the episode where Gwen received the Omnitrix instead of Ben. It was created to show a possible future. 134.121.250.173 (talk) 00:22, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

And possible futures are non-canon. Rau's Speak Page 01:48, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

I know Ken 10 is non-canon. Thanks for the clarification! :) --Yenaldooshi (talk) 19:46, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Rau do you even know how canon and non-canon work?

Canon are the events that affect future actions and are in continuity with the main storyline. Non-Canon are events that do not affect the main continuity in anyway. Sign your comments please: ~~~~. Rau's Speak Page 00:55, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Personality change

Should we note how Ben has changed over the years. It seems note worthy.Chaoshi (talk) 22:15, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

After the show starts and we have more information, certainly. Thats a given. But not yet, we dont have enough information yet. Rau's Speak Page 22:49, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

I saw another Ben 10: Alien Force commercial where he puts back the Omnitrix...anyway.. yeah, I think when the show starts would be better because we might be wrong (or not). We should check first to make sure we're accurate not that we aren't.--Yenaldooshi (talk) 19:44, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

I don't think we should have much on it tbh. After all, what is particularly notable about personality differences between a 10 year old boy and a 15 year old teenager? Ged UK (talk) 19:47, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

The only difference is that 15 year old Ben is older..obviously.., he is more mature..that's all I can think of..--Yenaldooshi (talk) 19:47, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, more hormonal, more interested in girls (as a result), less prone to sulking (though that's arguable). Obviously there's physical changes too, but surely those are self-evident and don't need to be included. It would look silly to me if it said Ben Tennyson, now taller and stronger than when he was a boy or similar. I don't know. I'm just not sure we want too much on there that isn't back up by the reviews. That said, the preview review (as it were) already mentions those things so maybe it'll be OK, provided it's sourced. Am I going in circles here? Ged UK (talk) 20:01, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Kinda, but the circles are necessary to say what you said. But yea, any changes noted in that review could be noted, but they need to be sourced. If not; myself, and probably others, will remove them. Rau's Speak Page 23:04, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Copyright

Isn't there something to do with copyright when the article lists the main characters. I went to the referance and it is word by word copied.--Obaidz96 (talk • contribs • count) 21:10, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

One line per character, which isn't copied verbatim, just very close, easily falls into fair use. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 21:20, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Its not word-by-word I made sure to write it so that it is far from word by word. Rau's Speak Page 21:51, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] 1st Episode Mystery

Did anyone else notice something weird about Max's transmission? In the second part of the recording, as the image is going down, i caught a glimpse of one of thos alien things. I paused it on my dish thing and it was one of the aliens. Whats up with that?! Pntblankspacout (talk) 04:12, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

It is known, but we do not have a place to add it as any information other that its existence is speculation and original research. If this was intended as quote-unquote "forum speak", then please refrain from doing so again. Rau's Speak Page 04:26, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

It eather mean hat he was attacked and lost transition, or th DNAliens were in disguise(remember that they said they couldn't find max at the beginning and that there was one in the rust buket?) and swiched back wright before the transmitin ender pokejm32(not signed in yet) may 2,12:46 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.88.13.44 (talk) 05:46, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Thats OR. Rau's Speak Page 10:31, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Alien Force game

There is a new game based on Alien Force coming in fall. Here's an official statement. http://www.ben10toys.net/archives/286.htm Should we add it to the page? Chaoshi (talk) 21:11, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

WP:BOLD, add a section, but do not add information that you took as implied, or was outright not there. Rau's Speak Page 21:19, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Personalities

Is it just me, or does it sound like they are advertising Ben in the article? Rau's Speak Page 02:43, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes.. Should we change it a little bit?--Yenaldooshi (talk) 17:30, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Yea, I'm gonna do it now.. Rau's Speak Page 19:05, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Target Audience

Alien Force seems to be targeted to an older audience than the original show was, given the older characters, more realistic personalities, and arguably higher violence level. Is there something from Cartoon Network to confirm this? --Gaming King (talk) 10:18, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Moving to bottom of page Ged UK (talk) 10:28, 26 May 2008 (UTC)