Talk:Bell/Agusta BA609

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Can the BA 609 really be considered the "civil version of the Osprey" ?? It has a completely different fuselage, empennage etc. Osprey has thrice the max. weight, twice the range !--Iediteverything 12:43, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Well, that is the idea. When I did some work with Boeing on the V-22, the 609 team worked fairly closely with them. It's more along the concept of the Osprey, not the capability. They wanted an executive jet that can use helipads in major cities. — RevRagnarok Talk Contrib 12:52, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Major changes

Rolled my sandbox into the main article. Added an infobox based on the UAV (the airplane infobox misses lots of details) and tried to convert lists into prose. There is still a lot of work to be done. - Davandron | Talk 23:28, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Good work overall. The reason the standard info box doesn't have all the information is that the Project Aircraft wants all the details in the Specifications tremplate. This decision was made before I began editing articles here. I am currently adding a specs template, hope to have it finished tonight. However, I'm not personally opposed to you using the UAV-type box, but you would need to talk about it on the WP:AIR talk pages first to get a consensus to use it. (I believe the UAVs fal under Project Military History, not WP:AIR, hence the diffrent box.) Thanks. - BillCJ 23:58, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Additional Images

The picture that appears in the main page is of Prototype #1 in airplane mode flight, which I uploaded from the Bell/Agusta website. However, there is another good publicity photo which I also uploaded and might find a good place in the article:

Image:BA609 parked.jpg

Thanks. Finding and uploading pics is not one of my strong suits, though once they are on Wiki, I do fine with them. I don't usually get involved with copyrights and fair-use issues on images, but I think these you have posted are fine. However, there are Wikipedians who fill their idle time by checking all images to see if they should "really" be used or not, especially in articles which have no other pics :) . They may cause some problems, but I hope not. This article definitley needed pics. - BillCJ 20:59, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Found a picture of the second prototype (N609AG) in helicopter mode on the Agustawestland website. It shows off the color scheme choosen by the Italians. Image:BA609AG helicopter mode.jpg - Davandron | Talk 15:12, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Image:BA609AG helicopter mode.jpg

Well, the picture was detected as an orphan, because it hasn't been placed on the page. I'm not sure how it would best be incorporated. Take a look and if you have any suggestions, please post them. Thanks - Davandron | Talk 00:54, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
I've added the pic. I forget how aggressive these image-nazis can be about fair-use pics. I meant to add the pic, but it slipped my mind. Sorry. - BillCJ 01:50, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
I suggest to remove Image:BA609AG_helicopter_mode.jpg, because it shows the same aircraft (reg.no - N609AG) as other photos and has much poor quality. Mottld 12:18, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
Actually, I've removed both of the above linked images from the article. Now that we have some freely released images from the Paris Air Show, Wikipedia's fair-use guidelines dictate that such images be taken out. Hopefully someone will soon be able to take a photo of the other prototype. And folks, please don't denigrate those that work towards removing fair-use image violations...remember that Wikipedia is not aiming to be the prettiest encyclopedia, but the most free, and that entails getting rid of non-free images wherever possible. -- Huntster T • @ • C 12:57, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for addressing the issue - I should have thought to remove the fair-use images myself, but have been busy with several article projects, and neglected to pay attention. As to denigrating those who work towards removing fair-use images, it's not what they do, but how they do it, that statements such as above are used. Too often I find a rushed job in removing an image that later proves to be PD, or a legitimate fair-use image with sources, just not necessarily done in a certain way preferred by some, but in which all or most of the info was there. In addition, too many images are speedied, and no notice is placed on the article or it's talk page, where users who did not upload the pic could address the problem. I have seen several image deletions reversed by admins in the past two weeks because the deletions were done too hastily. There are several editors who do take the time to inform editors via the article talk page of the problems with images, but they are few and far between. Yes, fair use is a big deal legally, but that doesn't mean the job should be hastily done, or that some kindness and consideration can't be used. I do appreaciate the time and effort you've spent here to do the job right. I hope others will follow your example. - BillCJ 15:54, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
I admit I don't always take time to send notifications, but usually that's only in clear-cut cases of misuse or where the image removal is unlikely to be contested. However, I do understand what you are talking about. The "overeagerness" does get tiresome at times. Cheers! -- Huntster T • @ • C 16:45, 25 June 2007 (UTC)