Talk:Belarusian people

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[edit] shoudln't?

Shouldn't this article be somehow related to the Ruthenians thingie? [[User:Halibutt|Halibutt]] 15:20, Sep 7, 2004 (UTC)

How do you mean "related" to it? They are, the term was used to apply to modern-day Belarusians, too, at some point in time, AFAIR... --Joy [shallot] 21:40, 7 Sep 2004 (UTC)
I mean they should be interlinked very strongly while in the present version there ar no links to Ruthenia. Perhaps the problem is with the Russian nationalists stoling that article, but still the link should be here. [[User:Halibutt|Halibutt]] 05:01, Sep 8, 2004 (UTC)
Yeah... there could be a brief historic overview here, and within it a mention of those 18/19th century events. --Joy [shallot]
How does this look now? --Joy [shallot] 14:49, 10 Sep 2004 (UTC)

[edit] belarus

i've only recently begun to do research on belarus, so it will be a while till i can add anything to this article.

Gringo300 10:44, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Political

The political section was added only to show a notable fact that Belarussian only recently gained its own coutry, and it does not have to evolve into a whole history of belarussian nationality. There are History of Belarus and Politics of Belarus for this. this one is about belarusians. mikka (t) 20:53, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for finally bothering to explain your repeated censorship. It still doesn't make sense though to spend a whole paragraph explaining the modern independence of Belarus and then ignore the fact that independence is being negotiated away. That fact should either be mentioned or the entire paragraph should be deleted as irrelevant.
What offends you so much about a single sentence in such a short article - especially one cited as a STUB?
"This ethnic-group-related article is a stub. You can help Wikipedia by expanding it." Well, don't expand it if some Belarusian nationalist is going to get freaked out by the details and deny current events.
--69.140.81.84 01:59, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] move to Belarusian people

First you make a strange move to SS, then you request to move it back to the correct spelling (BelaruSian with one S). Is there any logic behind this "move the article" game? --rydel 19:55, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Fixed initial move to Belarussian people (Belarussian people is more common spelling). Rd232 talk 21:59, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Can we move it back to Belarusians please ? I don't see what was wrong with that name. Certainly Belarusian people seem more sophisticated, but I preferred the simple and straightforward name. Belarusian people could equally mean the people of Belarus. --Lysytalk 21:34, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

"Belarusians" was the stable consensus title. Without a proper move request, this article belongs there. —Michael Z. 2006-01-18 23:49 Z

Both in Russian and Belarusian languages the word is written with one S so i think those guys have are right, it's one S. M.V.E.i. 20:11, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] one contributor

Wikipedia contributor Kuban coSSack's talking about dictatorial ruler Lukashenka (who massively and monstrously falsified the vote) and today's storming of the October square, when hundreds of special police arrested peaceful demonstrators, totally destoryed the camp, threw empty vodka bottles into the mess and videotaped that for Belarusan state television. Here's Kuban coSSack's comment about this police action and break-up of a peaceful protest, which took place at 3AM so that there would be no witnesses of their activity:

Dear fellow Wikipedians, do you understand that the only purpose of his contributions on articles about Belarus (such as Belarusian language, Belarusian history, Belarus, etc.) is to push Russian imperial POV and lies? Please, see history and talk pages of the Belarus-related articles. Should WP community do something about it? --rydel 16:43, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Lukashenko is the only democrat in Europe. He didn't let the Democratic Mafia to do to Belarus what they've done to the rest of CIS. He makes shure that Belarus is the country of the people, and that's why he's a real patriot. I, as a Russian would be glad if Lukashenko would become the leader of Russia and would bring some order to it! You dont know how lucky you are to have him! M.V.E.i. 17:08, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Question

Someone told me that Belarusians are different from Russians because Russians mixed with Turkic or Mongolian ethic groups during the Mongolian invasion while Belarusians did not. Hence the prefix Bela (white as in pure). Is there any basis for this?

This is one of the versions. No one actually knows for sure what does "white" stand for. Another version is that "white" means "Eastern". In other words, Belarus = Eastern Rus. But than we have a "problem" with Russians, who appear to be "Eastern Eastern Rus", or even worse - not Rus at all :). The name of White Rus originally stood for what is now Mogilev, Gomel, Smolensk - i.e. Eastern Belarus, and Western Russia.
Apart from White Rus, there were notions of Black Rus (or Lithuanian Rus), which is nowadays Western Belarus, and Red Rus, which in the North-Western Ukraine. However, the name of Black Rus first appeared in Western European sources, and it might appear to be an artificial creation, or a product of "systematization".Max Kanowski 03:09, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

No. The Belarusians is for White Ruthenia, which is the historical name for the east-Belarus region. Russians are not mixed with turcs. Both of the nations where Rus, the difference is that whats today is Belarus was taken over by the lithuenians, and thats why when the Russian ethnicity appeared the White Ruthenia region people couldn't be part of it because of being occupied and seperated. M.V.E.i. 17:14, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Belarus wasn't taken over by the lithuenians, but people that ocupied the territory of current Belarus and Lithuania was called lithuenians (litvin or licvin), and the corresponding state was called Grand Duchy of Lithuania (Velikoe Knyazhestvo Litovskoe - rus, Vyalikae Knyastva Litouskae - belarus). So I'll not disclaim that Belarusians where Rus, because Belarusians and Russians are resemble, and their native languages are resemble very much. But some sources say that pure Belarusians have blond and dark blond hair and have blue or grey eyes. Now only some part of our people have this features. There wasn't so information about Russians. Sorry for my bad English. I hope, you'll understand me. Read History of Belarus or look this : http://www.belarusguide.com/as/history/history.html Power Of NIRVANA (talk) 08:37, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

The blond and blue-eyed populace composes roughly a quarter to half of the population in both Russia and Belarus. What was that notion of "pure Belarusians" supposed to mean? --Humanophage (talk) 08:14, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Gallery of belarusian people

Tadeusz Kościuszko · Adam Mickiewicz · Kastus Kalinouski · Kazimir Malevich · Maksim Bahdanovič · Vasil Bykaŭ · Yulia Nestsiarenka

I'm going to create more or less representative gallery of belarusian people (in one image, like this). I have collected these photos as start point (haven't found free photo for Alexander Medved, Yanka Kupala, Yakub Kolas, Olga Korbut, Mikalay Husowski, Francysk Skaryna). And I want to hear your opinion for these. Should these people be pure belarusian or not? Should they born, work in Belarus or not? --Valodzka 12:12, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

All this people are pure belarusian. We (belarusian) are studiing them at schools and high schools. 88.210.57.170 (talk) 15:12, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Congradulations, now Belarusian people article has it's famous-people-image

It was made by me from images found and decided by me and Valodzka (who was the first to bring up the idea for an image for the article). Hope you all like it. We made it by 3 principles: 1) The people in the image must not be political (because for example i support Lokashenko, and someone else supports someone i dont and that might make conflicts on who should be here), and in that way we kept politics out. 2) The people in the image must be considered one of the greatest in what they do (and thats why it took us a while to decide who should be here. The choice wasn't random). 3) The people need to be clearly Belarusian and not just "had some Belarusian blood in them". And by those principles me and Valodzka made an image that is, at least at my opinion, amaizing and one of the best nation-articles-images in Wikipedia. M.V.E.i. 15:33, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

P.S. Discussion is here. --Valodzka 07:05, 10 September 2007 (UTC)