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Contents 1 Tribe names 2 Edited "Bedouin Tribes and Populations" Section 3 Edited "Bedouin Culture" 4 Valid Tribe? 5 Etymology 6 Clothing 7 Defacing 8 Anarchists 9 new pic 10 Deletion of entire section on Changing ways of life - Israeli case

[edit] Tribe names

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Awlaad Ali - Note there are three tribes by that same name all are different. Awlaad Ali in Lybia. Awlaad Ali part of Anazah in north-west Saudi Arabia and part of Syria. Awlaad Ali or Ayaal Ali which is a nickname for people who inhabit Qassim Area of Saudi Arabia

Rwalla Many have moved back to Saudi Arabia in Al-Jouf province, Turaif and Arar. Bani Khalid - Also many in Eastern Saudi Arabia. Murrah - Eastern Saudi Arabia bordering Qatar and UAE Anazah Traibe - Syria, Saudi Arabia and Iraq. Shammar - Syria, Saudi Arabia and Iraq. Hajer - Eastern Saudi Arabia Dhafir - North-East Saudi Arabia Mutair - Central Saudi Arabia but also stretch out from near Medina to Hafar Al-Batin. Harb - Western Saudi Arabia but stretch out to the Central region and go as far as Hafar Al-Batin. Otaiba - Western near Tayef but also extend to the Central region of Saudi Arabia. Qahtan - there are two tribes of the same name, but are one in origion. in the south of Saudi Arabia and the other in Central Saudi Arabia just south by south-west of Riyadh. Ajman - Eastern Saudi Arabia Subai - Central Saudi Arabia Dawasir - Central Saudi Arabia south of Riyadh. Yam - Southern Saudi Arabia in Najran area.

There are hundreds more tribes.....

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Alzaid (talk • contribs) .

So why does this article focus on the plight of the Bedouin in Israel alone? —Aiden 20:27, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Because that was what someone happened to know about, and want to write about. Lack of completeness does not equate to POV. --Stbalbach 20:46, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Why are no tribes listed from Egypt or Libya?

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One could never encompass the entire list of nomadic arabian tribes in the middle-east, as there are too many. Best to include prominent tribes (consider size and influentiality) from each region. Many of the tribes, especially in the gulf region, have long been urbanized. There are very few remaining nomads out there living as nomads, and they are shrinking by the decade. Some remanants of the larger Saudi tribes may be still nomadic, but most have adapted to modern lifestyle, with some that can be considered semi-nomadic. Semi-Nomadic means that they live some part of the year in the desert during a good rain season, or they use modern tools, such as, cars and water tankers...etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aalzaid (talk • contribs) 19:18, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Edited "Bedouin Tribes and Populations" Section

I have edited the Tribal section, and added more tribes, and removed tribes, many were fictional, others were part of a larger tribe. I have left only the notable tribes only.

[edit] Edited "Bedouin Culture"

I've expanded this section quite a bit. Enjoy. I may add more on nomad-village interactions at a later date. Fishies Plaice 11:20, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

several more comments:

there is NO tribe by the name of Sudair in Saudi Arabia or elsewhere. Sudair is a geographical region south of riyadh.

Otaiba tribe is the prominent tribe in the central region and very influential. It should be added.

Also Qahtan (Nejd branch) and Harb.

[edit] Valid Tribe?

IS there a valid tribe named Bani Johma, as referenced in the article Gharaibeh? If so, should it be listed? Viscouse 19:28, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Etymology

This article needs the literal meaning/etymology of the word "Bedouin." Badagnani 00:12, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

The word Badu (Arabic for Bedouin) is derived from the tri-root Baa-Daal-Alif which means: to appear, to show-up, to become visible. The verb Bada has two contradicting meanings (which sometimes exists in Arabic) which are (become seen/visible) and (become vague). They were named badu because they sometimes show-up and sometimes you don't know where they are. In Arabic it refers to any nomad whether he was Arab or not and whether he lived in a desert or elsewhere. The opposite of that is Hadar, which means those that are present at all times.

Arab nomads (badu) are called A'raab أعراب (not Arab). --Maha Odeh 09:02, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

"Bedouin" is from the Arabic plural of Badu (however transliterated) although in English it is often used as singular with plural "Bedouins". "Bedouin" may be used as a plural though whether on the sheep/sheep pattern or as some attempt at following the Arabic is unclear.--SilasW 21:03, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

I have spoken with a friend from Saudi Arabia who tells me that calling these people "bedouin" can be taken offensively by those that are bedouin citizens of Saudi Arabia, because it supposedly refers to or may sound like a different word in Arabic which describes illegal aliens, (e.g. not of the country, and where the government has to deal with them). He said that the bedouins referred to in this article that live in and are citizens of Saudi Arabia should be called "badu". This confused me, because that would just be the Arabic word that this transliteration came from in the first place. Can someone research into this and clarify? Does the English transliteration actually sound like another word in Arabic that means something like illegal aliens? This is probably an issue where Arabic speakers who are not native English speakers may get confused about the English word. It would be nice for some clarification, however. Mmortal03 (talk) 05:27, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Clothing

I have read that Bedouins have developed a layer system of clothing that is famous for its efficiency of keeping one cool from the desert heat. I would like it if this article had some information on this.

Actually not only Bedouins use this, it consists of a sort of cloak on top called Aba'a, which is made of heavy wool to use in the cold winters or light cotton for the summer. The summer one is not tightly woven and in both cases it is not tightened around the body. In the summer heat one sweats and this Aba'a allows the air to move freely inside it which cools the body by drying the sweat - it is only efficient if two conditions are met: 1) the inner cloths (underwear and external clothing) are not tight fitting and 2) you are in a dry area, a humid weather does not help because the sweat will not be absorbed by the dry air.

Hence the layers are three: a. underwear. b. outer clothes. c. Aba'a. However, don't imagine that it is exceptionally efficient; it's only better than wearing tight clothes in the summer - which most people avoid during hot months wherever they are. In my understanding, three layers of clothing is not really rare worldwide - not in the past and not in the present. --Maha Odeh 09:12, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

I am also interested in their clothing, specifically their white headdress (can be seen in the second picture in the article). I'm sure other cultures use similar devices for sun protection, but it seems to be common to most bedouins. Does anyone know what it is called, what it is made of, how it is worn? I think their clothing should get a mention in this article, which could be hyperlinked to more specific articles dealing with each item. Clothing is an important aspect of culture, whether it is unique or not, and it should probably be mentioned. LostCause 01:40, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

The cloth is called Keffiyeh (all three photos), follow link for details. The name differs depending on the design and the way it is worn. The rope thing is called Agal.

In the photo you inquired about he just folded the square shaped Ghutra (white Keffiyeh) into a triangle, laid it on his head with the pointed part towards his back and fixed it on with the Agal (so it won't fall off as he moves around) then he took one side and casually threw it on his other shoulder, just the fashion of the time. The fashion these days is to hold each of the two sides and throw it on the top of your head causing the sides of head (mainly the hair) to show (see last photo). The formal way is just to let it drape.

I think it just seems complicated because you are not used to it, but it's way simpler than the ordinary tie.

[edit] Defacing

Someone clearly defaced this article. I am not an expert on this subject, I just thought it was appropriate to notify someone.

3:57pm UT August 31 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.150.160.171 (talk) 14:58, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Anarchists

Is it not fair to label this group of people an anarchist group in the good senses of the word as its meaning is listed on the wikipedia. As it appears there is no centralized group this would seem as an anarchist society. I believe it should be mentioned as a successful anarchist example.

~~---- BiTMAP

[edit] new pic

add this pic to the article

The picture was taken in 1925 of man from Shammar tribe with Asiatic Cheetah ( Fahd Sayyad or Fahd Alrabi)..bedouin use this animal for hunt.

• Where was the picture taken, and where was it found? Also seems like the licensing is wrong. Funkynusayri 17:16, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

picture was taken in the southwest portion of iraq, he is bedouin and before 4 years from taken this picture (Al Rashid)Shammar tribe was rule almost all arabia and part of iraq--Hisham ibn Oamr Alharbi 23:36, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

• Ok, got any more information? Give me all information about the picture and the man in it, then I'll upload it to Commons with a comprehensive description, then we can put it different places on Wikipedia. Where did you find the image? Funkynusayri 00:02, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion of entire section on Changing ways of life - Israeli case

Someone has deleted this entire section, which I do not think was warranted, exactly. Certainly, the section needed a lot of work, and needed to be cut back A LOT, and it would have been good to get different sources. However, it would have been much more collegial for the user who did the edit to have edited it a bit himself and come here to suggest that we join in too. At the moment I do not have the time to do the work. Here's the article section before the cut and here's the history. LamaLoLeshLa (talk) 17:13, 13 June 2008 (UTC)