Talk:Beauty and the Beast (musical)

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Contents 1 Edits of August 16, 2007 2 Clean up tag 3 B class ideas 4 Edits to "Recording" section 5 Lead paragraph-"is" vs "was" 6 Requests for verification of reliability of sources 7 Article issues

[edit] Edits of August 16, 2007

Today I removed large parts of 1)production credits and non-notable cast credits, per http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Musical_Theatre/Article_Structure.

I also removed the specific actors who sang each song-it seems to me that the list is just that-what songs are performed. The original cast recording, of course, shows the first, or original, cast, but that is simply not the point of this song list. JeanColumbia 11:22, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Clean up tag

I removed the "Cleanup" tag/template because I believe that this article now complies with the MOS guidelines, as well as with the Musical Theatre structure guidelines. JeanColumbia 18:51, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] B class ideas

If anyone has the references needed to write a more detailed background section (the info about the Disney theme park shows is a start) and summarize the reviews to add a critical response section, this article could be improved to B-class. Beyond that (but less important), I suggest that we remove the closing cast and instead list the notable replacements and notable stars of other productions. The plot summary is a bit too long, I think, and there should be some discussion of how the musical's story differs from the movie. G'Night, Chip! -- Ssilvers 19:30, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

I think we did most of above; the differences between the film and stage are in the section "design elements", also a lot of the reviews compare. May get to that later. I can't cut down the plot summary, I haven't seen the musical and I don't want to inadvertently cut out something important. I tried to find some positive things in the reviews, but the ones I read do seem to be saying, "it's a hit", and then go on to critcize. JeanColumbia 20:12, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Well done, Jean! I upgraded the assessment (even though the synopsis isn't very encyclopedic). If you're feeling really energetic, there are a bunch of musicals where the film article needs to be split off of the musical listed at: Template:Musicals-tasks. Best regards, -- Ssilvers 21:23, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Edits to "Recording" section

I deleted the entire newly added detailed material about the songs from Beauty and the Beast that were included in On The Record per the Musical Theatre Article Structure under "Recordings": "This should be a short list of recordings completely about this musical (i.e. not "this song was included on so-and-so's greatest hits CD")". The material might be appropriate in the article on On the Record. (I have not specifically looked at that article to see whether the material would fit or be useful, just a suggestion.)JeanColumbia 23:07, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lead paragraph-"is" vs "was"

An editor changed the first sentence of the Lead to read "Beauty and the Beast was..." (emphasis mine). I changed the "was" back to "is", based on this statement from the Musical Theatre Article Structure guideline: The introduction should begin with the name of the musical in boldface and italics, referred to in the present tense (i.e. "Oklahoma! is a musical...." not "Oklahoma! was a musical...."). JeanColumbia 13:42, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

But the musical is closed. We only keep is if the musical is playing in another country. Oscar22 07:32, 26 Agust 2007 (UTC)

Many if not most of the musicals written about in Wikipedia are closed, i.e. are not playing elsewhere, except perhaps in a school/regional/community production. The guideline in the Musical Theatre Article Structure is quite clear to me; should anyone want to discuss that guideline, you might want to take it up with the folks who are participants in the Project. Their discussion page is here. Meanwhile, it is my opinion that this article, and the other 1480 musical theatre articles, keep to the guideline.JeanColumbia 14:43, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

You propose changing all of the closed musicals to "was". You might want to get in touch with the Musical Theatre participants before doing something so drastic as looking at each and every one of the 1480 musicals and changing them. That action might be considered at the least counter to the Wikipedia guidelines of The Code of Conduct (see Etiquette, [1] and Consensus, [2]. Thank you, JeanColumbia 14:54, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Requests for verification of reliability of sources

I've never had a source questioned, so I am not sure how to proceed. In one instance, I deleted the source and added another. In the oter instance, I added the direct quote, which I had previously summarized. I have read (many times) the section on verifiabilty[3], and I can only say that I believe that the Houston Chronicle meets the test of a reliable source as it is a mainstream newspaper, ublished, I assume it has editorial oversight, etc as it is a newspaper. The other source was also a newspaper (The Mirror), but I can't say for sure what kind of paper it is, as it is a London paper, so I deleted it. If I have totally missed the point, please assume good faith on my part, I've tried very hard to get this article in shape. Thanks!JeanColumbia 17:19, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

All is well, the editor wanted a more specific citation per [4], which I've done; I'll leave in the extensive quote from the Houston Chronicle for now. I'll also leave in the reference to the press release, I can always get the newspaper article back if anyone wants it.

The other issue is the lengthy plot synopsis; as I've said before, I haven't seen the show and I worry that I might delete something important, so I'll leave that for others. JeanColumbia 17:52, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

I think The Mirror is a legitimate UK newspaper, kind of like the NY Post. -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:56, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Article issues

1. I don't think the London cast needs to be listed. It only ran two years there, and the production can be adequately described in the production section. 2. The section with external links to productions should just be footnotes to the production section. 3. The Differences Between Play and Movie section should be narrative, not a bulleted list, per WP:MOS, which discourages lists. Best regards, -- Ssilvers (talk) 20:04, 4 March 2008 (UTC)