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[edit] Acadamy Award for Best Picture Note

I intend to edit this page such that it makes the point that as a result of this movies nomination the oscar for Best Picture, the acadamy awards insituted a new catagory- best animated picture- to reduced the embarassment caused when an animation was viewed as better then many "real" films.

Does anyone have any objections to this?? --Chrismullan

Yes. It's a common rumor to say that the Academy (note spelling) was "embarrassed" by Beauty and the Beast's nomination and introduced the Best Animated Picture award because of it, but I don't believe it's substantiated, and I don't think it's NPOV. AJD 05:25, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)
As well, the new category - Animated Feature Film - was not added until 2001. To claim "Beauty and the Beast" was the direct reason as to why the new category was created would require more evidence/sources. Although I'm running on secondary information, wasn't "Beauty and the Beast" one of the leading contenders for Best Picture? It seems unlikely that the Academy would be embarrassed by such a film. Xunny

The article now says this:

It is the only animated movie every to be nominated for Best Picture, and will remain so with the introduction of the award for Best Animated Feature.

Is that true? In particular, does the introduction of Best Animated Feature mean that animated features are no longer eligible for Best Picture? If it doesn't, I'll remove the second clause from that sentence. AJD 16:40, 28 May 2005 (UTC)

I don't think it would. I mean, are movies in the "Best Foreign Language Film" category disqualified from a Best Picture nomination? Of course not, but they're rarely given a double nomination in that way. I think the addition of the Best Animated Feature award was simply to give recognition to animated film where, due to the small number of them compared to live action kind of make it extremely hard to get recognize otherwise aside from the Best Song category. PHOENIXZERO 07:08, 20 September 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Unfinished version

There was a partially-finished version (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0101414/alternateversions) of this movie (placeholder pictures, flipbook animation, preview quality CG, ...). I have seen it once more than a decade ago. Can anyone talk about it? -- Toytoy 18:26, May 25, 2005 (UTC)

Uhmmm, isn't this only a few scenes that were sketched, because mostly they didn't have come to fully animate them yet? There probably exist sketches of basically the complete movie in Disney archives, but I guess that a lot of it isn't too different from the original movie (I guess there is a lot of rigorous planning behind it, so they wouldn't waste a lot of money on animated scenes later to be cut) but I don't know how much of these sketches would be particularly interesting to the general audience. 85.226.122.222 08:24, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

The "Workprint" version was originally shown at the 1991 New York Film Festival; the studio hadn't completed the film yet, so it was shown as a "work-in-progress."Rsbowen 19:19, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] "Me!"?

I recently saw the lyrics to a so-called deleted song titled "Me", but is it a true song from the movie? If so, is there a mp3 file or something of it?

It's in the stage show. I don't think it was written for the movie. AJD 22:46, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

How does the music go? --User:Angie Y.

[edit] Gaston is sexist?

Is the character of Gaston truly a sexist character? --User:Angie Y.

Yes. He regarded Belle as nothing more than a good genetic baby-making machine. She would pass of his and her physical perfection to their offspring. He had absolutely no regard for her obvious intelligence.

Definitely, he even goes so far to say that it's "not right" for a woman to read, because if she does she'll start "thinking" and "getting ideas". GracieLizzie 14:44, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Especially ideas on how to escape him , according to the song "Me" from the musical. --User:Angie Y.

Why was this even brought up? Gaston is one of the most blatantly sexist characters I've ever -seen-.

[edit] Timeline?

Should there be some discussion of the apparent timeline issues of this movie? For example, the change of seasons would seem to imply the passage of months, but Belle's interactions with the Beast seem to take place over the course of only a couple of days.

There is also some question of the Beast's age. The prologue states that the enchanted rose would bloom until his 21st year, and the dialogue at the beginning of "Human Again" states that his birthday is fast approaching. But in "Be Our Guest" Lumiere sings that for "ten years we've been rusting." So he was 11 when he received the curse?

That does seem to be a rather large continutiy error, especially considering the picture in the West Wing and the flash back in Beauty and the Beast: The Enchanted Christmas were he doesn't appear much younger than he does when he turns back at the end. I think it should be mentioned, other articles mention issues like this in fiction. GracieLizzie 14:41, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
It says that the rose would bloom until his 21st birthday, and then wither. Obviously it has been withering since the Beast's 21st birthday. Note that when he becomes human again he looks substantially older than 21. The obvious explanation is that the curse was placed on him in his mid-to late teens, and he is now in his mid-20s. Spartacusprime 17:38, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
Maybe they should have had the curse be going on more than ten years, I always thought it a little odd that no one seemed to really know about a castle that didn't seem very far away. Or maybe part of the curse was for people to forget about the place? Also, about the time thing again, maybe then once the curse was lifted, everyone was restored to the age they were when the curse was placed? PHOENIXZERO 07:15, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Why is this here?

Why is the stuff about Kingdom Hearts in trivia here? I like the game, but it doesn't need to go into that much detail or even to mention it at all. Can I replace it with "Belle and the Beast were in Kingdom Hearts and Kingdom Hearts 2 as semi-important characters"? Snake712 21:22, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

All the Disney films have detailed info on their cameos in Kingdom Hearts, it wouldn't make sense to change this one. 216.199.153.34 14:53, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

No, "all the Disney films" don't. It's more important on the Kingdom Hearts page...the game isn't associated with the movie for most casual viewers. Definitely mention the tie-in, but in-depth plot details aren't really necessary.--Marysunshine 04:45, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gaston = dark ?

I'm french (sorry for my english), and Gaston just means... Gaston. It's just a french name. The word for "dark" is : "sombre".

[edit] Gaston does not mean Dark !

Gaston does not mean (and never did) Dark

At most, in Spanish, gastón means big spender but I don't think it was intentional.

Supalognon 22:35, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

According to BabyNamesWorld.com Gaston means 'from Gascony' but I'm pretty sure his name's meaning isn't significant. GracieLizzie 00:29, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bambi's mother

I think its important to note that, although its suggested in the article that Gaston killed Bambi's mother, technically it would be impossible:

  • The orignal novel by Salten takes place around 1920, while B&B is set in the late 1700s.
  • The movie version of Bambi is set in the forests of America. B&B takes place in France.

The fact that Disney re-used the stock footage of the deer drinking doesn't suggest a tie either, as they used this short sequence in other films, including Sword in the Stone and The Jungle Book. BethEnd 03:49, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

I added a request for sources, and suggest we delete the statement within a week if none is provided -- as of now it reads like a POV generalization.--Marysunshine 04:45, 1 May 2006 (UTC)


No source has been listed, so I'm going to remove the statement now BethEnd 13:36, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Where's Gaston's Wikipage??

Maleficent and Ursula and Jafar get a page, why not Gaston? I like all of the above, not as much as him though. I think a discussion on what he represents in French society could be quite interesting. Although I know little on, if any, role in Disney's House Of Mouse (never seen it), he at LEAST deserves a page. I'll start the ball rolling if nobody else disagrees. Come on, Abis Mal has one of his own, and who remembers who he is???

  • I agree that Abis Mal doesn't really deserve to have his own whole page, but if you want to make one for Gaston, go ahead. BethEnd 17:59, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
I made one, but Apostrophe and Bulletproof keep redirecting it. You two could help me make them stop doing so, because Bulletproof is threatening to report me and Apostrophe for violating the 3 redirect rule. Jienum

I made the page originally. --User:Angie Y.

Give itr back! --User:Angie Y.

You can try all you want, but the users Apostrophe and buuletproof hate Gaston too much. If you make a Gaston page, they will turn it back into a redirect. If we are to make a Gaston wikipage, we should put the matter to a vote. Jienum

[edit] The new trivia additions

I noticed there is some new information in the trivia section. That's great, but just remember to site your sources.

Phillipe and Maurice sounds like Philipp Morris. Hidden advertising of tobacco? In a movie oriented at young audience?

- I can not find the full text of 'Mrs Beast' mentioned in the trivia entery: "Mrs Beast is a poem by Carol Ann Duffy in the collection 'The World's Wife' " Is it in anyway relevent to Disney's 'Beauty And The Beast'? if not the entry should be removed as irrelevent, and put on the Wiki for the origional story not the Disney movie. Shearluck 02:09, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Japanese voice cast

What is the Japanese voice cast for the movie and what are the character names in that language? --User:Angie Y.

That information is in the article in the Japanese Wikipedia. Look for the link in the left margin of the article. Canadiana 21:14, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dang it!

First Jerry Orbach, now Tony Jay, I will admit this aint funny.

[edit] More things borrowed from the old black/white French version?

In the French live action version "La Belle et La Bete," there are arms everywhere holding candelabras and moving them around, etc. Is this where the Disney people got the idea for Lumiere? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.80.204.242 (talk) 03:37, 25 January 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Ballroom dance sequence re-done?

Wasn't the ballroom sequence originally all animated, no CGI for the backgrounds? And then it was later that they decided to redo the backgrounds in CG? I have bad memory -- could someone shed some light on this?

Never. Hondo77

Well the original version's background was somewhat CGI but the new version was full.68.164.86.250 23:25, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

No, the original version's background was all CGI. Really. Hondo77 23:40, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Editing Symbols and Meanings

Would anyone object to my adding a couple of sentences to the effect that "Beauty & the Beast" can be read as an AIDS Metaphor? I was working at Disney at the time and helped market the film internationally and it was a subject of conversation at the time. The argument may not be to everyone's liking but it is nevertheless part of the historical backstory as anyone familiar with the death of Howard Ashman knows. This is the explanation: http://www.sexualfables.com/beauty_and_the_beast.php Martin Blythe 01:27, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

-I don't think it's very appropiate to mention this in the article--Surten (talk) 05:49, 16 December 2007 (UTC)Surten

Surten, how is it not appropriate? This is an encyclopedia. It's appropriate for an encyclopedia to discuss the themes of works of art in an academic context. Even if those themes involve big, scary, glossed-over, hushed-about diseases. Maybe things haven't changed as much since the late eighties/early nineties as we would like to think...but I digress. Someone "took initiative" and removed the "inappropriate" references from the Symbols and Meanings section without checking or adding to the discussion here. As that was arguably one of the most dominant themes of the film (come on, the red rose wilting...I mean, seriously?), I think it is most definitely worth a mention in any section on Symbols and Meanings - although if what Cardiffajax is right, and the site Martin linked to was a parody, than perhaps a new link would have to be supplied. 68.96.255.227 (talk) 23:51, 26 May 2008 (UTC)


  • Just a note about this link - the article is a joke. I have no idea whether or not AIDS metaphors were intended, but the article is definitely not a good source to back that up, because it's a spoof article: I quote, "Another thing that riled Gaston was that Disney had been successful in persuading everyone that its version was the one and only, the authorized version." Cardiffajax (talk) 13:00, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Frollo in Beauty and the Beast??

The wiki mentions a brief appearence by Frollo (from Hunchback of Notre Dame) in Beauty and the Beast, but I've watched this movie a thousand times and have never seen him.

Do you think the author was thinking about Monsieur D'arque (the man in charge of the asylum)? Both Monsieur D'arque and Frollo were voiced by Tony Jay.

Does anyone have any feedback on this?

Frollo was never in BatB. Hunchback wasn't even in development at the time (same directors, remember?). I removed the entry. Hondo77 17:08, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Three Blonde Twins

Is it just me or these are three sexy cartoons?

   -Agree!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.228.165.63 (talk) 22:05, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Techniclly, if you see the part were they are next to the water thingy (singing in the opening number, {about Gaston tho} the one on the far left. If you watch her, her breasts will go up and down on the water pump. creating the idea that they are just sexual cartoons —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.233.185.189 (talk) 19:45, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] question about the voice cast list...

ok... under the voice cast, They mentioned Mary Kay Bergman and Kath Coucie as voicing the "Bisbelles". My question is just who the heck are these "Bisbelles" that it is referring to? is it another name for those Triplets who fangirl Gaston? are they one of the servants in the castle? Just who are they? I'm sorry if i had to ask, but could you at least edit it to clarify who they are? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.32.170.212 (talk) 16:12, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] No Wikipedia Page For the broadway soundtrack?

Howcome their is a page for the soundtrack of the movie version and not one for the broadway. It does not make sense to me also I think it would be a good idea cause what if some people want to get some info on it? 99.251.149.172 (talk) 22:44, 15 December 2007 (UTC)Headstrong 345

[edit] Beauty And The Beast LIVE ACTION ?????

Now I'm not sure if this is true but I heard that disney is thinking of making Beauty And The Beast into a Live-Action. It is rumoured supposedly that if the movie were to go through it would follow the storyline of the broadway play and include most of the songs from the broadway version as well, and possibly some new songs. Like I said it is just a rumour but has anyone else heard of this? Headstrong 345 (talk) 03:04, 29 January 2008 (UTC)Headstrong 345

[edit] Trivia

In "The Mob Song", there is a line says "fifty frenchmen can't be wrong!" It struck me as a possible reference to the old song Fifty Million Frenchmen Can't Be Wrong. I'm curious about other's thoughts on this.

--Hyperhaus (talk) 02:50, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

That's almost certainly true; but it's also basically unverifiable, and in any case not really important enough to mention in the article. AJD (talk) 05:19, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sigh... Guys, we must stop saying that Gaston died.

Ok, Guys, this has gone on way too far. Listen, We don't have any verification that he died (just for the record, a fall from an incredible height does NOT count as a verifiable death in fiction.), so I would highly appreciate it if we stick to Wikipedia's Verification rule and just leave it at he fell from the roof. We had far too many cartoon characters/live action characters falling off a huge height (Be it falling off a cliff or a skyscraper, or any of these things. Heck, Ariel survived falling down several hundred feet into a whirlpool, and she didn't die from that.), and anyways, LeFou survived much, much worse in terms of death scenarios (He survived being punched by a man much bigger than him, having a chair (with a heavily muscular man on it) or a Bench (with three average-weight women on it) being placed on top of him, and being buried for apparantly a few weeks in a snow bank (if not several months)). So, Please, don't even say that he died.

I'm not saying that he Definitely survived, I'm just saying that we can't say that he Died either (Besides, saying that he died even though we never saw the results of the fall is Original Research anyways, which ISN'T allowed on Wikipedia), hence my rationale on why we should just leave it at he fell off the roof. I've tried editing it to keep it Neutral and anti-original-research, but for some strange reason it won't allow me to implement the edit. That, and personally, I'm getting sick and tired of editing it myself since I had to do it countless times in both this article AND Gaston's article (with this article being the worst of the bunch).

Weedle Mchairybug —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.32.186.225 (talk) 19:22, 31 May 2008 (UTC)