Talk:Beary bashe

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[edit] Links to archaic Tamil dialects

The vocab. is so similar to old Tamil, the ancestral language of most people of neibhouring Kerala state. Many religious minorities tend to maintain the archaic versions of the languages that they encounter or speak when the general community moves away to sometimes to an entirely new language. Example the Jews in Azerbaijan still speak Iranic Tat language where as all Azeris have moved away to a Turkish language from their ancestral Indo-Iranian dialects to which Tat belongs. Syrian Christian hyms of Kerala are in Archaic Tamil when the mainstream community has moved on to Malayalam. Judeo-Malayalam has a Tamil substratum still. It would be indeed interestingting to find more studies on this uniqu language of Karnataka. How I first heard about this language is when an astonished friend of mine a Sri Lankan Tamil studying in REC Suratkal close to Mangalore recounted how he was able to communicate with so much ease with a bunch of local Muslims and he was sure that it was not Malayalam. RaveenS 13:10, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

I am not a linguist so I can't comment on archaic Tamil dialects. My own community spread across Kasaragod and Mangalore. The Belchadas or Tiyyas of Kasaragod/Mangalore and my people, Byaris spoke a language that was almost indistinguishable but for few words which is anyway due to religious and caste differences. In fact, the identity of the language of the land was always with Byari bhashe and was derogatorily referred as kaka language. So, generally Hindu communities made a conscious effort to move away from that dialect in the 20th century. So probably few Hindus in Mangalore might be able to converse easily with Byaris. Well, the vocabulary is also close to old/present day Kannada too which of course is older than old Tamil as the region of Tamil Nadu was inhabited by Proto-Kannada people much later as they moved from the Godavari Basin :-).
Trivia : I believe other Malayalees would make fun of our "okku"(meaning yes).

Manjunatha (27 Jul 2006)

[edit] Beary bashe

General notion among the people including Bearys themselves think that Beary bashe is a offshoot of Malayalam which is incorrect. --Sartaj beary 23:05, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

I think the article which talks about 60% common words between Beary bhashe and Kodava also says that this language is the mother-tongue of non-muslim Belchadas. These Belchadas or Tiyya-Billavas are always identified with Malayalees.
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Manjunatha (7 Oct 2006)


I think it is an "offshoot" of Malayalam with several loanwords from Kannada and Tulu. The base of this language is very much similar to the Malayalam spoken in the northenmost part of Kerala although it is quite different from "Standard" Malayalam. In fact Beary comes at one extreme of the spectrum of the dialect continuum of north Malabar. And a mutual intelligibility does exist with the dialects of the nearby regions - Kasaragod and Kannur. sooraj 09:31, 29 October 2006 (UTC)


Beary basha is nothing but a northern dialect of Malayalam just like the dialect spoken by Mappila muslims of Kerala.

ARUNKUMAR P.R 07:11, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New Resource

I have got some reliable work done on Beary Bashe.I am going to delete and clean up the present article , which is full of mistakes.

ARUNKUMAR P.R (talk · contribs) 09:34, 14 December 2007 (UTC)


Changed.

ARUNKUMAR P.R (talk · contribs) 09:54, 19 December 2007 (UTC)