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Contents 1 Wallachia invasion 2 Comments 3 Info-less box 4 Fair use rationale for Image:Bajazet.jpg 5 1391, wrong 6 Citation needed ?

[edit] Wallachia invasion

I made a minor correction, there were no "Romanians" back then. Is a common mistake in history to identify old people with modern nations. There was no national conciousness of this kind in the middle ages.

[edit] Comments

In the section on Beyazid in Ottoman Empire, i've NPOVed the portion on nature of Murad's death and outcome of the battle of Nicopolis (AKA Nikopol, Bulgaria). I edited only that article, for the moment, since it is clearly in progress (and the contributor may be about to review transcriptions or wording for reconsideration) and since there are two articles at hand that contradict the battle part.

I am also adding this note to talk pages of Ottoman Empire, Beyazid I, and Sigismund, Holy Roman Emperor.

If the Ottoman Empire contributor defends her/his version with sources, IMO others should also bring forward sources, and there should be discussion, in case the factual dispute is not resolved, about how to lessen the burden of NPOVing the various articles affected - e.g., could all three articles say "see Death of Murad and Battle of Nicopolis for controversial matters relevant to this section"? -- Jerzy 20:40, 1 Oct 2003 (UTC)

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Beyazid I didn't conquer Constantinople, did he? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by The Phoenix (talk • contribs) .

No. He besieged it after the Byzanyine Emperor Manuel II escaped from semi-captivity at the Ottoman court in Edirne (or Adrianople, depending on whether you use the Turkish or Greek name). Mehmed II actually took the city in 1453 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 210.153.95.101 (talk • contribs) .

[edit] Info-less box

Such a very big box! So little information in all that blank space! And not even a caption to tell the reader who painted the (Venetian?) portrait, which dates long after Bayazid's time, apparently. Is it not actually of Bayazid II, patron of Western culture?--Wetman 04:23, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

This is a real problem, Wetman, that some editors deem it helpful to illustrate articles about medieval rulers with modern images, without providing any credits. Those who want an authentic portrait of a 15th-century sultan ought to check Gentile's painting of Mehmed II. The info-box is supremely redundant. --Ghirla ^-трёп- 07:10, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Bajazet.jpg

Image:Bajazet.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in Wikipedia articles constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

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[edit] 1391, wrong

No this is wrong, bayezid di not lay siege in 1391, I have this book:

Mango, Cyril. The Oxford History of Byzantium. 1st ed. New York: Oxford UP, 2002

To prove otherwise.Tourskin 11:45, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Citation needed ?

"and prevented Bayezid from conquering the country" - What citation is needed for that ? Did Wallachia get conquered by Bayezid ? Isn't that common knowledge ? --Venatoreng 09:24, 25 September 2007 (UTC)