Talk:Bautzen

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Contents 1 Additional names? 2 Add useful stuff 3 Too many names 4 The prisons 5 Pronunciation

[edit] Additional names?

The Polish name of this city is not historically significant. john 04:17, 1 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Neither is the Czech name. Only the Lusatian name matters, since Bautzen is a regional centre of the Sorbian minority. Please don't clutter the edit history with this nonsense. -- Baldhur 13:56, 2 Apr 2004 (UTC)

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It is not a nonsense. Bautzen was under suzerenity of Bohemian Crown for 300 years. For example Posen was under the German suzerenity just 100 years. If Czech name in Bautzen article is nonsense, German name in Posen article is nonsens the more. It just one example. Yeti 14:44, 2 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Okay, Yeti, I won't change it because I hate edit wars. It appears somewhat strange to me since the Czech and the Lusatian name are almost the same, apart from one special character. I know that you want to take revenge for Nico's actions, but Nico is not active in articles on this side of the Oder-Neisse line, so you do not hit him. -- Baldhur 15:16, 2 Apr 2004 (UTC)

I do not see any reason to change it. Czech language was very important in history of Lusatia. At least as important as German in history of Poznan. It could be inserted Lusatian/Czech name, but the name in both languages is not identical so I've put it separatelly. Yeti 16:06, 2 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Okay, you made your point, you feel good, and hopefully that's it. I hope you don't want to spread this madness over more articles. -- Baldhur 21:53, 2 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Do we have any evidence of the use of the Czech language in Lusatia? The fact that it was under the Bohemian crown is utterly irrelevant to this. Should we put in the Spanish name of Brussels because it was under Spanish rule from 1516 to 1713? The modern Czech language only arose in the 19th century, in any case. We should have the Sorbian and German names. john 05:03, 3 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Agreed, and done. The Polish name is already mentioned in the history a few lines down, so may as well remove redundancy and leave the header-thing slightly cleaner. The historical German name seems a little unnecessary up there as well, it'd be nice if someone would replace it with a few words in the history section on the 1868 name change. Colonel Mustard 15:47, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Add useful stuff

I hereby rule that you must add some useful stuff whenever you change the first sentence. But if you don't have other problems than the formatting of one single word in parentheses, then I suggest that you leave this article alone. There is much more to care about in this article. -- Baldhur 09:51, 9 Apr 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Too many names

This is such a barren article anyway, couldn't some of that information be transferred down to the History section? Say, the historical German, Polish and Czech names? And would someone (in the know) consider writing a few words about the 1868 name change? As in, was it connected to a broader program of name changes in German towns with Slavic roots? 210.211.116.72 05:04, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Well, the name "Bautzen" is much older then 1868, in fact there have been many names in parallel use for a long time. For example the name "Pautzen" (with P) was used in maps of the 16th century. But sure "Budissin" was the most common German term in the early centurys and is still known but not so much in use by all natives from Bautzen. It was not connected to a broader programm. Because I'am from Bautzen I could tell you at least 10 historic names of Bautzen and I think this is a special fact about the city (Frank) 17.Februar

[edit] The prisons

Hi, I´m new to the editing of wiki-pages, so I want you to do it.

The correction should only be the differentiation of the two prisons in Bautzen. The "Gelbes Elend" is a prison built at the beginning of the last century and was used mostly for common prisoners. And it´s still in use today. Only in a period (4 or 5 years) after ww2 it got a soviet internment camp for people suspicious of being nazis or anticommunists. The other prison was placed next to the Stasi-department and the court of Bautzen right in the middle of the city. Built and used by the Stasi, it was the one holding the "famous" arrestants of the GDR. And it´s out of use since 1992 and now a memorial.

Thanks for the one doing the job. :-)

[edit] Pronunciation

I'm fixing the Sorbian pronunciation. Up till now it appeared to be the Polish pronunciation, even though it was the Sorbian spelling. User:Angr 14:12, 19 August 2006 (UTC)