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[edit] System Requirements

Are these system requirements correct? To me, it just looks like a copy-paste from that of BF2. rohith 19:37, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Why shouldn't they? — Mütze 20:42, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

There is a citation to the System Requirements, look at footnote #6 and its respective link. --Voidvector 00:35, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

They are the same requirements because it uses the same engine, not that much has changed from battlefield 2 in terms of things that would require better hardware. - 58.104.30.128 18:15, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Is there any reason why this article should NOT have the system requirements. The box at the top of the page says "See System Requirements Section" but there is NO SUCH SECTION, it was deleted by Axem Titanium. When I tried to restore it he deleted it again. --DTWATKINS 21:55, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

I've restored the amount necessary for the infobox. What I meant was that there's no precedent to devote a section of the article to system requirements. Axem Titanium 22:14, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

I still find that the system requirements are still lacking, so I'll add some stuff into the info box, but not start up a new section. --Mr. Accessory 00:46, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

my computer can hold Supreme Commander and i can play it, so can i play and hold this game???


I have noticed that in the box that states system requirement that for graphics cards it only lists the Nvidia requirement. I believe that most of us can agree that Nvidia and Radeon are the larger of the graphic card companies commonly used. I believe that both should be represented, or neither. RHSB Scipio 01:00, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Minimum Requirements:
   * Windows XP with latest service pack installed
   * 1.7Ghz or faster processor.
   * 512Mb or more RAM.
   * 128Mb DirectX compliant video card with Pixel shader 2.0 and above (AGP and PCIe only).
   * 2.2Gb of space is required to install the game
   * 128kbit Cable/DSL internet connection
   * DirectX 9.0c February 2006 edition (included)

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So, that is what I think it should say for GFX cards. Mawfive 01:38, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I do see your point. Perhaps we should just eliminate the part about a specific brand graphics card. RHSB Scipio 01:42, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

I am going to change it to exactly what I said earlier.Mawfive 02:39, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rank Nomenclature

Corrected rank listing (as collected from player profiles and other official information at EA.com) --NCC-1701 (USS Enterprise) 13:14, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Actually, the ranks were correctly named. See these links for information: http://planetbattlefield.gamespy.com/View.php?view=GameInfo.Detail&id=248&game=8 http://battlefield.ea.com/battlefield/bf2142/PlayerSummary.aspx?Lang=us&PID=81209964&SrchName=&Profiles=Echo.brian 01:11, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

So where does Lieutenant Commander come into play? --NCC-1701 (USS Enterprise) 08:29, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't know...It must not be a rank. Bf2142fever.com (linked on main article page) says the same thing as gamespy. Are you saying you saw somebody (or are yourself) who was a lieutenant commander?Echo.brian 14:25, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Where is there a list of ranks?RSido 03:26, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Added Cleanup tag

Since I last visited this article, it has changed poorly. Copy edit seems to be a BIG issue. I tried to do as much as I could, but it still needs to be fixed. William Pembroke(talk) 01:28, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Which parts in particular are you talking about? It would be much more helpful to give specifics (as the majority of the article has cited its sources). Also your edit comment about changing the last unamed guy's comment about the AED into something more factual is slightly inccorect. I wrote almost the entire weapons section and reorganized it (and to be precise, you didn't change it to be more factual, you just added additional content). Echo.brian 00:54, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Okay pheasant. You're edit was not much of a change of mine, it just mainly added one slightly insignificant fact and removed a different fact. But kept the same combat unfavorable system the same. And, the section that needs clean up IS the weapon system. So now I know where all these terrible and poor quality spelling and grammar came from. Some notes are: It's EU not Eu and PAC not Pac (check 2142's main page for that). It's shield, not sheild, etc. Please review the section before you add poor quality sections. There are other parts of the article that need improvement in general, but the weapon section is the worst. --William Pembroke(talk) 04:07, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Then perhaps instead of attacking me you'd care to actually do something about the grammar and spelling. Excuse me for relying on others to catch my typos. And if the weapons section is the one that needs cleanup, then why did you add the tag over the entire article? By the way, I edited your addition becuase it had poor grammar (perhaps the reason you feel the need to criticize my own grammar is because yours is not much better). Look, I'll go back today and try to clean up the spelling and other mistakes. Let's try to stop this from escalating into a flamewar.Echo.brian 15:15, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

After reviewing the first few paragraphs, I found only 1 or 2 minor grammatical mistakes, mainly from the use of parentheses. Although, I do not feel that going through the entire section to correct a few inconsistencies is worth my time, so I added a tag for someone else to do the work (if they really feel that it needs cleanup). I also removed the overall cleanup tag.Echo.brian 15:29, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

I mainly refer to [2] as the problem. I thought I got most, but didn't know so I added the tag on the whole section. I was a bit tired after spending a long on the article switching the problems. --William Pembroke(talk) 19:16, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
Addition: I reviewed my grammar on the AED and it was very easy to understand, "in that it" is a very acceptable form of grammar and there is nothing wrong with it. --William Pembroke(talk) 22:02, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

There have been numerous problems with spelling and grammar in the weapons section. I fixed some that I came across, but I simply couldn't go through the whole section at once. The problems have been there from early on, I'm guessing. Silence(water) 01:45, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, many spelling, grammer, and punctuation problems keep appearing. I'm trying to fix them all as soon as I catch them. This article could use some major spelling and grammer checking. INFORMATION CENTER© talk contribs 05:10, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. That's all I asked for and it is very helpful.Echo.brian 18:40, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

"Recon is renound for one of its equipment upgrades that causes invisibility, this inevitably results in what is often refered to as invis-shiv-syndrome, where one player unlocks this devise and proceeds to kill everyone by creeping up on them and shiving them in the bollocks."

I found that bit hilarious. As I have not yet played this game I will not edit this page and will leave it for someone better able. --Jolly Lucifer (talk) 04:24, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

That is so far away from Wikipedia standards AND the actual game that whoever posted it shouldn't even be editing this article. There is no citation for "invis-shiv-syndrome" and as someone who plays the game I have never heard this term used. Plus the high pitched whine of the cloak combined with the time required to switch from it to the knife makes attempting this often suicidal at best. --EpicWizard (talk) 02:50, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Removing the Clan Section

I removed the Clan section because it pretty much serves no purpose except to advertise for clans. Clans are not unique to BF2142, and Wikipedia is not a soapbox designed for advertisement of your clan. The only thing that could be put in this page in reference to clans is the clan tag box, but that clearly doesn't need its own section. Slinky317 17:46, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

I completely agree with your statement. I don't know who thought of putting it there. --William Pembroke(talk) 04:07, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pre-Order Rifle Screenshot

Would it be possible to include a screenshot of the special assault rifle available to those who pre-ordered the game. The article makes mention how it blocks a good portion of the screen. Perhaps a screenshot could be included to illustrate this? PowderedToastMan

Yes, there is a picture on Bf2142fever.com. You'd have to ask the owner's permission though.Echo.brian 16:48, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Here's the screenshot Echo brian was talking about: http://bf2142fever.com/content/Image:Bofors_dmg.jpg Helwer7

[edit] Is the 'Ranks' section complete?

I've never played 2142, but in the section describing player ranks, the last two ranks, General Special, and Commander Special, don't have a point value next to them. Shold there be one?

No, the "special" is not supposed to be part of the name (I can see where that is confusing). Those ranks are not based on points, a player needs to meet special requirements in order to acheive those ranks. I'll try to make it more clear.Echo.brian 20:36, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Oh wait...nevermind, I forgot they had been removed.Echo.brian 20:36, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Game guide

This article reads way too much like a game guide and not enough like an encyclopedia article. I propose the following changes:

  • Create a heading called "Criticisms" and make subheadings for "In-game advertising", "Widescreen support", and "Bugs".
  • Shorten the "Bugs" subheading to be a summary - an exhaustive description of complaints about the game is unwarranted. People can go read the forum if they care that much.
  • Shorten the heading on pre-order bonuses and place it under Criticisms.
  • Expand Gameplay heading to more thoroughly describe conquest and titan modes, contrast them.
  • Make a new heading called Player tracking or similar to describe how the servers keep track of all of your stats.

What do you think? --Mus Musculus 19:52, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree. I also propose a very brief section titled "weapons, equipment and vehicles' that gives a brief summary of the weapons and vehicles (similar to the one in the bf2 article). Also, there should be atleast a mention of the difference in the 2 sets of maps, in the European and African theaters. I'm not saying there should be another page of information, maybe just a paragraph to describe in game content briefly.Echo.brian 23:43, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Under the heading for Conquest: Should Assault Lines and Double Assault Lines be listed as Conquest game types since Assault Lines is similar to conquest but with significant differences? --EpicWizard 00:53, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Booster Packs

Why are 2 booster packs listed? the source link provided only states that there is one booster pack (Nothern Strike). Basically I'm asking where the information for "Infantry Storm" came from (excuse me if I'm wrong).Echo.brian 01:06, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

It has been posted to the EA forums and the author links back to another Battlefield-related forum. I don't see any "official" announcement, so I guess it's up in the air whether this can be considered an reliable source. Mus Musculus 03:16, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
I wouldn't consider it a reliable source, being it is a forum and all. I can't even view any of the things cited there. Mawfive 04:52, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
I agree, for now, I will remove it. If an actual reliable source comes, I will repost it. --William Pembroke(talk) 20:24, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
EA has now released a lot of info about Northern Strike I think we should add it to the article. DTWATKINS 17:31, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
Infantry storm was a working title for Northern Strike, which was left in one press release by mistake. There is only one booster pack, and no further reference need be made to Infantry Storm.

For instance the new vehicles, maps, and the new trailer could be summarized. Perhaps the picture in the Dice interview should be added (of the new IFV goliath). By the way, nice job on the kit section.Echo.brian 03:54, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

I might add an image of the new vehicle later today, but for now I can't. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by William Pembroke (talk • contribs) 15:12, 26 January 2007 (UTC).

I have temporarily added a picture of the Hachimoto Hover Vehicle. The quality is less than desirable, so a replacement should be found (and perhaps an official one since I took the screenshot of the trailer myself). For now it will demonstrate some of the new expansion content.Echo.brian 01:05, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Infantry Storm Refutation Section?

Everywhere I go I keep running into people who still think there is going to be an infantry storm booster pack. Can we please set up a section specifically refuting this? It was a working title for Northern Strike, which was accidentally left in the first press release/leak. People keep speculating about what will happen in Infantry Storm, a pack which will NEVER exist. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 128.125.5.102 (talk) 00:49, 25 February 2007 (UTC).

Add it as a small sub-section of Northern Strike. It should be a subsection so that people don't miss it. --EpicWizard 00:54, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Unlocks section

I'm going to propose that the unlock table be removed. I have nothing against it, but it makes the article into a game guide again. A neutral bystander who has no idea what Bf2142 is would not know what that equipment table means, and therefore it is only useful to players of the game, making it a game guide (excuse the run on sentence). I know this makes me a hypocrit, but since this was found to be superflous before, it probably will still be considered excess. Instead, I suggest that the unlocks table be removed and the information should be more clearly stated in the kit section (since the items are already listed there but with short descriptions). perhaps the unlocks for the kits should be removed from the kit section, the table should be removed, and the information shuld be summarized in 5 or less sentences udner the unlocks heading.Echo.brian 21:09, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

I keep removing the table, but some random people keep putting it on. It's removed...for now. William Pembroke(talk) 21:28, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

I just noticed on the picture caption for the PAC BattleWalker that it uses the phrase "A PAC Bogatyr", which is correct, however in the context it seems that "A PAC BattleWalker" would be less confusing (since the Bogatyr is not mentioned in the section). Perhaps "A PAC Bogatyr BattleWalker" would fit best. The picture could also be moved to the vehicles section to fit the context better and another picture could be placed in its stead?Echo.brian 23:52, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

I went ahead and and moved the picture of the Bogatyr into the vehicle section (and added another picture as well). I couldn't integrate into the text very well, so the section probably needs reformatting to make it fit (or revert the page if there are too many pictures). I left the text caption the way it was since it fits in the context.Echo.brian 00:47, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vehicles section

Is this truly necessary? I'm seriously contemplating on whether or not to remove it, it seems to add more of a game guide then an actual article. William Pembroke(talk) 03:24, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm not quite sure. It's not really a gameguide in that it doesn't help players play the game, yet the info technically isn't necessary. I guess it just shows the types of vehicles in the game and attempts to describe them. People who don't know about the game might be curious about the types of vehicles though (maybe the section should be changed to paragraph form?). In comparing the section to the BF2 equivalent article, it seems like it is less game guide like (the bf2 describes the ways to destroy vehicles and health bars etc.).Echo.brian 04:03, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Just a quick note: The official site ( http://battlefield.ea.com/battlefield/bf2142/eu_vehicles.aspx?Lang=us&PID=&SrchName=&Profiles= ) lists the APC as Assault Personnel Carrier, rather than Armored personnel carrier.Echo.brian 14:30, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Widescreen Support

If using a LCD monitor, this only seems to work with the native resolution of the display. Can anyone confirm that? --Rainynight65 12:14, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

  • I don't think BF2142 supports true widescreen -ever-. You can only trick it into cropping top/bottom. There was a huge debate on the EA forums asking for it, but EA just said "No." and closed down the 10-20 page thread begging for widescreen --70.171.27.13 23:24, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
The BF2 engine only natively supports 4:3 resolution, not widescreen, despite people clamouring for it day in day out all across the community. Oh well - forced widescreen in BF2142 seems better than it is in BF2.--JavaJawaUK 18:24, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

The v1.50 Beta came out and widescreeen view is available this time. Jaewonnie (talk) 00:24, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Paving a New Road

Okay guys, we have worked to improve this article, please continue to find more references and fix any grammar or improper format you find. I want this to be a Good Article and I think we are in range of making it so. I added a peer review to see what needs to be done and thereafter I will improve what is necessary and nominate it for a Good Article candidate. Pembroke 03:07, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA nom on hold

Okay, here are a few things I see that need to be addressed before this can become a GA (not to mention an FA):

[edit] Infobox

*Release dates are supposed to use Template:Vgrelease instead of flags now.

[edit] Lead

*Why is the game's engine the first thing mentioned after the intro? I would instead mention that 2142 is the 5th game in the Battlefield series, and move the engine mention further down the article. *"It is the first Battlefield game to not feature the United States of America as a playable military faction." So what? That's doesn't strike me as important enough to mention in the lead. Instead, shift the sentence down to either the Story or Gameplay section. *"It has its own ranking system to keep track of the user's stats similar to the one used in its predecessors, Battlefield 2." Predecessor should not be pluralized.

[edit] Story

*There is no mention of the seemingly crucial ice age here, even though it is mentioned in the lead.

[edit] Gameplay

  • "During the beta release of the game, there was an award for those who managed to escape the destroyed Titan before the 20-second timer ends. In the retail game, the round ends when the Titan is destroyed, and because player deaths triggered by the end of a round do not count, the evacuation is entirely for inducing a rush in the player. The Titan escape award, sometimes known as the "Titan Survival Pin", has been re-introduced by the 1.05 patch as a receivable award." This needs multiple citations.

[edit] Soldier Kits

*This entire section still reads too much like a game guide. The section should be prosified, be less specific when referring to weapons and stats, and possibly merged into the gameplay section.

[edit] Vehicles

  • Same comment as the Soldier Kits section.

[edit] Northern Strike

*"The expansion will add two new vehicles, the Hachimoto". Replace the comma with a semicolon. *The numbers "2 badge sets", "4 ribbons" should be spelled out (e.g. two, four). *"The booster pack will additionally contain three new maps and a new game mode called Assault Lines." Reword to say, "Additionally, the booster pack will contain three new maps and a new game mode called Assault Lines."

  • Provide a citation to the "developer interview".

*The booster pack will additionally contain three new maps and a new game mode called Assault Lines." Multiple past tense/present tense conflicts.

[edit] Rumors of Development

*The heading should not have any non-proper words capitalized after the first, as per WP:MSH ("Development" should not be capitalized). *"To further show proof of the game's existence, at Multiplay i27, a LAN party which EA sponsors regularly, Battlefield 2142 merchandise was given out, along with further details on a release date." Citation needed. *"BF2142 was officially announced and was playable at E3." Reword to say, "Battlefield 2142 was officially announced and playable at E3." *"Several trailers and previews are available on major gaming websites from this event." Remove this sentence, and instead provide multiple citations for the previous one. *"Though, EA and DICE only commented in a video that "If the community demand is high enough, everything is possible."" Citation needed.

[edit] Beta release

*Citations. More citations.

[edit] Advertising components

*"However, DICE employees have claimed on the game's forums that the game only reports what in-game advertisements you look at, and for how long." Instead of "you", it should be "the player" *"EA/DICE are currently holding a contest to find the best player in-game ad ideas (futuristic ads) to put into the empty billboards in the game. Additionally, recently much of the "advertising space" has been used to show propaganda for new in game features and helping to feed rumors of a new game type in the works. Intel has advertised in the game, and recently the Discovery Channel has placed advertising in the game for their series "Future Weapons."" Citations. *Wikilink Discovery Channel.

In the advertising components section it states that there are no advertisements in the Australian version of the game, but the Northern Strike pack definitely does contain ads if you buy it online, regardless of where you live. It may seem obvious that this would be the case, but many players buy the game online from Electronic Arts directly through their EA Link software and may not be aware that buying this way does not protect them from ads. I think the article is a little misleading in this respect and should be altered to contain this by someone who can word it unambiguously. What do others think?

Also, FWIW, besides Intel and the Discovery Channel, another series of in-game advertisements is for the Ghostrider movie.

[edit] Retail bonuses

*More citations, and the "Citation needed" tag should be replaced with a citation.

[edit] Reception

  • This section is much too short. Look at the reception section of the Final Fantasy VII article. It's huge! Although this game doesn't have much of a "legacy", it would be a good idea to include some quotes from major critics. As well, the GameRankings and Metacritic ratings should be included. All of this with citations, of course.

[edit] References

  • The reference formatting is inconsistent. Some of them have publication dates, some don't, even though a lot of the articles, such as article #17, do have a publication date.

[edit] Images

  • I deleted the artistic shot of Belgrade, it seems of poor quality and not very artistic. Cpunk7 March 2, 2007
  • There are far too many promotional images. At the very least, the gameplay section should have a screenshot of a typical gameplay session, with the GUI showing on the screen.
  • The fair use rationales are somewhat lacking in quality. Again, I direct you to the Final Fantasy VII article, which has excellent fair use rationales and image descriptions.
  • I would remove the "missile launching on target to the enemy Titan" image, as we already have an image of titan mode (the image above it).

A lot of stuff, I know. Hopefully, it will be worth it, and I believe that the article will look pretty good once these changes are made.

Thanks and hope this helps, Green451 22:31, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Did most of it. Also, I know small numbers need to be spelled out and know not to use second person, but these IP's people keep added more useless crap. Will do more later. Pembroke 00:38, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
Sorry it took me so long to get back to you, but I've been busy. I see that David has gone over a few things I missed (thanks David!). Here are some other things that I noticed:
  • I still think that It is the first Battlefield game not to feature the United States of America as a playable military faction is not nearly notable enough to merit a mention in the lead. Move it to gameplay if you so wish.
  • As for the images, I think they could be rearranged to better match the sections they appear in. I would move the GUI image up to where the "Titan assault scenario" image is currently, and move the latter down to where the "support soldier crouching behind a shield" image is now. That image could be moved down a bit.
  • As of January 18, 2007, Electronic Arts has announced that it will release the Northern Strike booster pack for the Battlefield 2142 game. Revise this to say: "On January 18, 2007, Electronic Arts announced that it will release a booster pack titled Northern Strike for Battlefield 2142.
  • In the public beta release of v1.20, the BFHQ page is updated with Northern Strike unlocks and awards, and the pin mentioned is the Assault Lines Pin. Can you clarify this? I have no idea what you're trying to say here.
  • All of the image captions should end with a period. As well, the Hachimoto image caption should be reworded to identify that it's from the booster pack, and the billboard image should be reworded to identify that it's from Armored Fury.
  • Amazon.com also offered the free 64MB dog tag styled flash drive with a pre-order. Citation needed.
  • Players who pre-ordered Battlefield 2142 from Game Stop received a free in-game rank. This rank was stackable with the Battlefield 2 Veteran's Program promotion, allowing players to receive two ranks upon release of the retail game. Citation needed here as well.
  • The expansion will add three new vehicles: the FAV Hachimoto for the PAC, the IFV Goliath for the EU, and the Mk.7 Titan for both coalitions, set to be announced in early February. What is set to be announced in February? I thought the booster pack was announced on Janurary 17th. As an additional note, the vehicles probably don't need to be wikilinked, as it's pretty unlikely that they'll ever have their own articles.
  • There is a gap of white space between the "Titan" and "Statistics tracking" sections. Remove this.
  • Battlefield 2142 was officially announced and playable at E3. Reword again (sorry) to say: "Battlefield 2142 was officially announced and playable at that year's E3 convention." (and wikilink E3.)
  • When the hull of the Titan fails, a 20-second abandon ship timer is triggered, allowing players to evacuate the Titan before it is completely destroyed and avoid dying in the ensuing explosion. During the beta release of the game, there was an award for those who managed to escape the destroyed Titan before the 20-second timer ends. In the retail game, the round ends when the Titan is destroyed, and because player deaths triggered by the end of a round do not count, the evacuation is entirely for inducing a rush in the player. Citations needed here as well (it's a running theme, I know.)
  • The PAC has set up strongholds in the urban areas left abandoned because of the war. The EU launches an offensive to take back its land from PAC. Reword to "The PAC has set up strongholds in the urban areas left abandoned because of the war, and the EU launches an offensive to take back its land from the PAC."
  • I think what David meant about fair use rationales is that this article needs more detailed ones. As David said, look at the rationales on the Halo 2 article, and you'll find that they have more detail and are more properly worded.
I think (and hope) that that's it, and I look forward to hearing from you again. Green451 17:39, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
  • I'd just like to say that whoever improved the Northern Strike section just recently, you've done a good job, soldier. *Commend* --Wunderbear 08:48, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA nomination on hold

Ok, I have a few concerns with this article:

  • First, the lead. Battlefield 2142 is a first-person shooter computer game designed by Digital Illusions CE and is the fifth game in the series. It is set in the 22nd century, during a new ice age. Currently, there have been over one million rounds played since its release.[1] It is the first Battlefield game not to feature the United States of America as a playable military faction. et al. Ok, first, the beginning paragraph seems kind of clumsy, with It is... It is... repetition. The second paragraph seems to just talk about multiplayer, not giving much info on what the game is about, interesting features, etc.
  • "Battlefield 2142 uses a modified, critically acclaimed, engine of Battlefield 2 and is the first game in the series to not include the United States as a playable faction." - source needed for both parts of that sentence.
  • Soldier Kits section- merge into gameplay and expand; right now it has little context.
  • Some dates need to be linked. See WP:DATE. (ex: expansion packs section.)
  • Rumors of development- it's been released, so why are they rumors?
  • All images need fair use rationale. See the images of Halo 2 for an example of what I mean.
  • Image captions: lots of the captions don't have any context. What the hell is a Hachimoto? I can assume its some type of vehicle, but point is its pointless there if you've never played BF2142.
  • Beta release: fold into development.
  • Perhaps fold the advertising into reception?

Dåvid Fuchs (talk / frog blast the vent core!) 20:50, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Did most of your request, but the fair use was already on the images and the beginning paragraph is fine in my opinion as well as the advertising. Good suggestions however, I did about seventy percent of what you suggested. Pembroke 23:04, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

The paragraph describes what a Hachimoto is (the picture is merely labeled so as to reference the paragraph). What should be put in its place? A paragraph description? (that's what the section is for) I took out the part about it carrying a squad (there are only 2 soldiers, and "squad" may be misleading to think that there are more).Echo.brian 20:42, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Image captions should be for the most part completely self-contained, i.e. not relying on the article prose to fill in the blanks. Green451 16:11, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

I'd have to second that you integrate the section on advertising into Reception; it'd make the flow more logical. Seegoon 14:40, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Did it. Shall it be passed now? Pembroke 21:30, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
How 'bout my second round of comments above? This has gotten complicated, as technically I am the one responsible for passing the article, because I took up GA reviewing it first. The article should not have been "un-held" until I either passed or failed the article (although David caught a lot of things that I missed and probably wouldn't have noticed, which is always nice). Anywho, that's in the past, and I await the implementation of my other comments. Hope this works for you. Green451 03:09, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
Oh, never mind, I see that David already passed the article. No worries, I'll just implement some of the comments myself. Green451 03:28, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Added Rank Area

I have Added the ranks section, this contains all ranks in the game and where the more unusual ranks come from

Feeblezak 21:53, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

It's interesting, however for space requirements I recommend that it be compressed.Echo.brian 17:42, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Anyone think the giant list of ranks is not appropriate for the article, or at least deserves a cleanup? I said that last night, but an IP vandal deleted it. GOLAASTL24 18:32, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Characters Section

I think this section should be removed because the characters have absolutely nothing to do with the game (they are merely mentioned on the map loading screens). They play no role in the game, and are not seen by the player even once.Echo.brian 17:45, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Patches

I can't find the mention of any patches on the site. The latest one is patch 1.20. And word of warning: THe new patch takes about 3 hours to download even with ADSL. Chessmanlau 22:25, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes someone should add a page about the patches. But no it doesn't take like 3 hours.Bygeorge2512 16:03, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Lol...mine must be slow or something. Haha. It took 3 hours on mine. How long DOES it take? Chessmanlau 04:26, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Maybe on the day you downloaded it, the server was busy with downloads by thousands of gamers. By the way, it only took me 30min or so to download. INFORMATION CENTER© (T • C) 05:39, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

There has recently been 1.40 patch released, I believe this should get a mention in the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.202.230.181 (talk) 19:56, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Northern Strike Release

Can someone tell me where to find the release dates for northern strike on the EA website, i couldnt find it and it seems odd to me that they would release it on the 16/3 as stated in this article when the anniversary of the battle for the bridge at remagen is on the 7/3.

The preload is on March 1st. No release date has been announced, and I highly doubt it is the 16th. The announced Rolling Thunder tourney by EA is set for the 18th which is only two days after the 16th.--Arrowhead2006 04:10, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
March 8th is the release [3]GOLAASTL24 04:53, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Northern strike is out

I'm not good at writing, so I won't do this myself, but NS has been out since 11:30am PST. Vixwald 20:05, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Addware Laws in Australia

I'm from Melbourne, Australia, and as such i never had the in-game billboards...but i was shocked to come across an add for Intel in Northern Strike, i was under the impression that there were laws preventing this in Australia. I assume this has something to do with the fact that i downloaded it from EA Link rather then bought it locally, but wouldnt the laws still cover this? if anyone has an answer for this i'd love to hear it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 202.4.74.65 (talk) 13:39, 11 March 2007 (UTC).

They should, technically, but if EA was confident enough to stick in-game ads in with Northern Strike, then they may have found a way around that law. I'd hate to try your luck in court though.--JavaJawaUK 11:25, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Its all good, i found my answer in section 4 of the adware bill attached to this article.

[edit] Requesting Permission

To add a one sentence description of each map [excluding Titan maps] to the maps section. It wouldn't consume much space and would help expand on some of the settings, eg:

Belgrade - Constricted, close-quarters combat set in a conurbation of the Serbian capital. Battles in the central park can be intense and shifting

or

Shuhia Taiba - Vehicle dominated combat on an EU farming project. A mountain complex in the center of the map makes for a heated battle.

If I get two backings, I'll go ahead with it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by JavaJawaUK (talk • contribs) 09:54, 15 March 2007 (UTC).

Why don't you wait until we get more people to agree on this. I am OK with it, but let's wait for 2-3 more votes. GOLAASTL24 03:54, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

I think that would be a good idea, so it isnt just a list of seemingly random names to some people Bob Plano 00:25, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

I vote yes. Just dont make it too long. Laconia 00:27, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

I second the yes votes. Some short summaries of each map would be nice. You'd have to indicate which maps are part of the Northern Strike Expansion, though (You're doing those as well, I assume?) --Wunderbear 08:50, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree this is a good idea, but one warning... It would be ill considered to attempt to describe strategy or combat regarding these maps. Phrases like "vehicle dominated" and "heated battle" are not generally objective and could be construed as violations of WP:NOR and WP:NPOV --Oni Ookami AlfadorTalk|@ 09:45, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

technically, it'd all be OR unless you have a website with a review of each map to cite. Riffraffselbow 23:09, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
So I say go with it, with respect to Oni Ookami Alfador's comments GOLAASTL24 03:17, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The "buddies" aspect of the game.

Unlike in Battlefield 2, 2142 has a buddies section where you can send messages to each other and join on each others servers.

I dont think it has that added in the article. Perhaps we could? Laconia 00:37, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Buddy List

I agree with you. That probably would be a good idea. But we have to be careful to make sure it doesn't turn into a game guide. (I might be too lazy to do it...and I want to hear other's opinions.) Redoctober240 01:42, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] About the long download time for patch...

The patch download link from the oficial EA website at [[4]] takes a long time. Instead, places like [[5]] have faster download times (20-30min!). Hope this helps. Redoctober240 01:50, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

pfft, downloaded for me in like 7 minutes. Must be your connection.--Oni Ookami AlfadorTalk|@ 03:06, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

No it's just EA's website. On the day the patch was released it took well over 20 minutes to download it so I decided to try EA link instead and it downloaded in about 2 minutes.Echo.brian 22:55, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

that has to do with everyone trying to download the patch at once--Manwithbrisk 20:08, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nuclear war?

I know we cant add this to the article without sources, but does anyone else think that the opening clip suggests a nuclear war? after you see the earth freeze from the north down, you see bright flashes scattered around europe and africa, almost like nuclear weapons simultaneously detonating. Also, there is that billboard from armoured fury with the watch and the mushroom cloud. (and, yes i know a mushroom cloud doesnt have to be from a nuclear weapon). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 202.4.74.65 (talk) 15:51, 26 March 2007 (UTC).

Maybe, maybe not. The point is there is no assertion by EA or DICE in or out of game as to the likelihood of that so it doesn't belong on Wikipedia. As a result, it's not even worth discussing.--Oni Ookami AlfadorTalk|@ 17:33, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

If its not worth discussing, then why did you discuss it despite the fact i wrote in the first sentence "i know we cant add this to the article..."?

If you look closely, you'll see that the little flashes are where the maps are taking place

Xaritix 01:25, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

well that solves it, thanks.

[edit] Unlocks Section

Someone added a giant unlocks section. I removed it because Wikipedia is not a game guide/Internet guide, it is not encyclopedic in any form, and people using Wikipedia as a source of research will not care about the names of futuristic weapons and items. GOLAASTL24 17:55, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Image under "Titan"

The image of the support class behind the IPS is completely unrelated to the section on titan mode. Someone should probably take that out. ZenSaohu 00:57, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. Someone should put it under Unlocks and put the Titan assualt scenario picture under Titan. --Putmalk 13:51, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Ok. I changed it, but not extremely well. Someone should make it so that the picture is above the Story headline, not next to it. The Titan picture is fine, however. --Putmalk 01:54, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Userbox

Feel free to use it, 2142 fans! {{User:Mawfive/Titan destroyed}}



{{User:Mawfive/Titan destroyed}}

GOLAASTL24 16:24, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

I am going to refine the box, so please do not use it right this moment.Mawfive 05:10, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Suggestion

Shouldn't the story section be BEFORE the gameplay section? It seems pretty ackward to talk about gameplay, maps, unlocks, etc. and all of a sudden talk about the story. It should be the story first, then the details on the gameplay. What do you guys think? INFORMATION CENTER© (T • C) 09:18, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

It makes sense to me...Mawfive 21:51, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Great! Anyone else have anything to say? INFORMATION CENTER© (T • C) 01:17, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Yes, i agree. I'd change it but id'd probably stuff up the pictures and put them all over the place. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.27.231.250 (talk • contribs) 06:37, 23 April 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Mods Article Creation?

Lots of mods are coming out for Battlefield 2142. Do you think it is necessary to create another article called the List of Battlefield 2142 Mods, or should we wait/not create an article? --Putmalk 17:08, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

We shouldn't create an article for this because this is not a game guide, it is an encyclopedia. Therefore, we should only put information that is accurate about the game and that is ONLY about the game, not unofficial (by definition of EA approval) modifications of it. INFORMATION CENTER© (T • C) 02:54, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Well check out BF1942. It's got a page of the unofficial mods. That needs to be removed then, right? --Putmalk 01:49, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Well, then let's wait until people agree on making a page about the mods. INFORMATION CENTER© (T • C) 04:03, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Many other articles have corresponding mod pages like the one at List of Battlefield 1942 mods, and I believe that their existence supports the creation of one for BF2142. I will do my best to find and link to a couple more to support my view more concretely.
It is often useful to indent your posts on talk pages using colons (:) - add one more in front of your post than the person before you had. For instance, Information Center's last post had none, so I added one. The next poster should add two. This helps to make exhanges more readable! PaladinWhite 12:30, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

I don't think this article needs a mod page. What use would it be?


[edit] Patch1.25

Patch 1.25 is out, anyone going to comment on the incredible number of fixes it has. It fixes almost everything wrong with 2142, but it is an incremental patch of some 289MB. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Pevergreen (talk • contribs) 13:18, 27 April 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Pre-Development/Evidence

- I noticed in the editor files there are objects under a file "us" with files "sanfrancisco", "newyork", and "Route66." This suggests either that in the pre-development stages that it was planned as being the United States vs the Pan Asian Coalition, or perhaps that a new bp will include maps in north america. - - Perhaps we should have a section about it - - Xaritix 02:53, 28 April 2007 (UTC) - - I've seen this issue raised somewhere before, the general concesus was that it could mean anything, and that we cant put anything in the article without a proper source confirming something. Trottsky 14:19, 24 May 2007 (UTC) - - I remember some trivia thing saying it's the only one in the series without the US. Perhaps it could mention how there is some evidence suggesting that in early development, it was the United States instead of EU - - Xaritix 00:36, 29 May 2007 (UTC) - - Still only speculation -- until DICE/EA confirm something, let's leave it for now. Poss 01:17, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Music

There is a lot of orchestral-ish music in the game. Perhaps we should have a section on it, if anyone has any info on it

Xaritix 23:03, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] questions on bf2142 expansion sets

1. Is Northern Strike available is stores? In a box? Or can you just order it online and then d/l it?
2. Has Dice/ea mentioned or hinted at further expansion sets to bf2142, as it was done with bf2?
3. On 18 January 2007, Electronic Arts announced that they would release the Northern Strike booster pack for the Battlefield 2142 game, which was released on 8 March 2007. The booster pack contains ten new unlocks, three new maps, two new vehicles, and a new game mode called Assault Lines. Additionally, Electronic Arts has only announced the booster pack being available via the EA Link for $10.00 USD instead of being available from a retail store. Northern Strike is available for download as of April 2nd 2007.''
The text in the main article gives me the impression that there were two different expansion sets released, one on 3/8 and one on 4/2. What gives? --h_a 14:13, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

EA Games advertises Northern Strike, and I quote, "Available for download on EA Link". I don't know whether this is an alternative to buying northern strike.203.27.231.250 03:12, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

ok, i can answer this one. 1. Norther Strike must be dowloaded through EA, however apparentley in the UK you can buy an empty box with a download code for the same price...i guess this is helpful for those who distrust EA or dont have a credit card, but you still need to download it. 2. I havent heard of any more expansion packs, and there definatley hasnt been any mention on their websites about it. fingers crossed though. 3. The correct release date was 8th of March (the day after the anniversary of the bridge at remagen by the way). I dont know where that april date came from, i was definatley able to play on the 8th of March and it was available for preload before that. Also, with the 1.2 patch which came out about the same time as the preload, all unlocks were available with field upgrades (you lose them when you leave the server).Trottsky 17:25, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

So you have to download it? do they charge you through credit card? how much is it to download and how large is it. Also, is there a 1.2 patch? i was aware only of 1.25.203.27.231.250 01:40, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Yep, download is the only way, i cant remember exactly but im pretty sure credit card payment is also the only way...but you could look at the EA website or check out EA link, that would tell you. I cant remember how large it is, i'll try and remember to check when i get home and ill get back to you, it was $9.99US. There is both a 1.2 patch and a 1.25, 1.2 came out a week before Northern Strike's release date but after pre-load was available, and 1.25 came out about 2 weeks ago. both patches were quite large. Trottsky 17:25, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

I tried to use the EA link but it says "not valid in you region" I live in Australia. What gives? User:203.27.231.250

I am (also) in Australia and had a lot of trouble accessing Northern Strike through EA Link - at first I received the same message (not valid in your region). Then it changed to "session had timed out - please login again", even though I was "logged in"! So this had me completely stumped for a while - but I could see that other people here had purchased it, so I kept looking around at EA Link - I even filled in their questionare/survey and explained my troubles but had no response from EA - I guess they don't read the responses :-). But then I "stumbled" across an entry screen (in EA Link) for entering credit card details (can't remember how this happened and I don't have access the EA Link here at work). But once I stumbled down this path, purchasing Northern Strike was easy - but EA definitely don't make using EA Link at all intuitive! I had previously unsuccessfully used EA Link to download the 1.2 patch - it didn't work for some reason, so I am less than impressed with EA Link!

I dont doubt you've had trouble, and i know i've had a lot of minor problems with EA in the past, but i cant say i ever had any trouble with the EA Link or NS. Trottsky 15:14, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] downloadable weapon info

With the "downloadable weapon' in the retail bonuses section, is it one of the existing unlocks like the Voss LAR or the Baur-HAR or is it completely unique to the game? What is it called? 203.27.231.250 03:20, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

it's a different gun, its a reskin of the scar 11--Manwithbrisk 20:05, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
It's not really a "downloadable weapon". If you check your files, the gun is already in the game when you install it. Therefore, everyone who plays this game has the gun on their computer. However, they just don't have access to it unless they got the unique Best Buy Preorder key and used it on the EA promotional website for entering the key and attatching it to the player's EA account. INFORMATION CENTER (T • C) 22:45, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

yeah... im not too sure what im doing, but the SCAR reskin problem about being unable to get the original skin was fixed with the update that added the highway tampa map. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.17.232.136 (talk) 21:46, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Pre-Order Rifle Screenshot

I know this has been said already but it hasn't been resolved and i think it should be included. 203.27.231.250 03:25, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Would it be possible to include a screenshot of the special assault rifle available to those who pre-ordered the game. The article makes mention how it blocks a good portion of the screen. Perhaps a screenshot could be included to illustrate this? PowderedToastMan

Yes, there is a picture on Bf2142fever.com. You'd have to ask the owner's permission though.Echo.brian 16:48, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Here's the screenshot Echo brian was talking about: http://bf2142fever.com/content/Image:Bofors_dmg.jpg Helwer7

That's the weapon? The rocket launcher covers up more of the screen than that. I'd take that over the Voss L-AR any day. --Putmalk 02:09, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

I don't have a problem with this because I have a widescreen, but most people play with a squarish screen (which I don't recommend, it's limited). This problem only occurs to people who use small screens. INFORMTION CENTER 02:21, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Image request

I have played Armored Fury, and seen the drivable semi, but with all my settings cranked to the max, the newspaper still says nothing, just gibberish. I might have overlooked a video setting, but its too late to try it again, as I have since uninstalled BF2 and moved onto BF2142. Perhaps we could get a screenshot of this easter egg? PowderedToastMan 05:30, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Storyline

I think the story part of the article should be seorced somehow. I believe many people are wondering where that storyline came from exactly. I am very interested in it and would like to know.

--Xaritix 23:52, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

While I do agree, I noticed something interesting, EA's Battlefield 2142 website has changed the storyline in several locations. Which begs the question of whether or not the article should be changed to reflect it as such. Birdman1011395 19:18, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] unstable on vista

someone please mention that this game is highly unstable on windows vista, almost to the extent that you can barely play 2 rounds in a row without the game crashing
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.186.140.222 (talk • contribs) 06:21, 29 June 2007

Only if there's a citable source stating this. My guess is you're just one user having a standalone problem. Also, please sign your posts.--Oni Ookami AlfadorTalk|@ 19:50, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

No, it's not just one users problem. It is highly unstable on vista but the extent to which it is I'm unsure of. Laconia 13:18, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, it's very unstable, so much so that you need to run the game in administrator mode, else you can't play online at all (Punkbuster's fault). Also i emailed EA about the problem and they said too bad, this game was released before vista, so we don't offer any support for it besides telling you to re-install the game...

Are you sure? I run it fine on vista, my only problems not being related to the OS. (Interfearing problems, bad 7950 driver, etc.) I suppose you could call this a reason to be unstable on vista, but the driver is Nvidia's product, not Microsoft's. Vixwald 14:22, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

In any case none of this matters since there aren't any sources.--Oni Ookami AlfadorTalk|@ 14:36, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

This problem is really between the computer's user. My friend had problems with running this on Vista and with Punkbuster, kicking him every few minutes or so. Fortunately for him, I knew how to fix the problems he was experiencing. After that, he had no problems whatsoever and has played online without crashing ever since. Therefore, this problem is not due to Vista, it is due to your computer's setup. If you need help running your game on a Vista-based system or on how to get Punkbuster to work, don't hesitate in asking me for help. INFORMTION CENTER 02:17, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm using Windows Vista Home Premium and BF2142 works fine on my pc. Just a few lags in between game-play. Enough to handle so its not bad. Jaewonnie (talk) 00:28, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] American English spellings

Someone has been changing all the "amour" to "armor" and "theatre" to Theatre". This seems like someones nit-picking. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Laconia (talk • contribs)

Agreed. Normally I wouldn't but considering the game is made by a eurpoean developer and has no coverage of North America as a location or a faction, it might as well maintain the Eurpoean English.--Oni Ookami AlfadorTalk|@ 15:01, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
Well the first one would be more correct term (I doubt there's much lovin' goin on in 2142 ;) ) Riffraffselbow 23:06, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Updates section

I cleaned up the Updates section, as the prior version was utter shit.

I added: bullets, consistency in certain punctuation (hyphens, colons, periods), and added headings to make it more navigable. tildetildetildetilde

Addendum: Whether the whole Updates section kind of bloats the article and is unneeded is not my concern; I merely cleaned it up. tildetildetildetilde


Nice work, it was pretty much a piece of cr*p. Please try to sign your posts, please. --Putmalk 23:28, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bug section

It was removed because not a single piece of information in it was sourced, and some claims aren't even actual bugs. If any of it can be sourced then it probably belongs back in but ONLY if that is done.--Oni Ookami AlfadorTalk|@ 04:24, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Add to game info below its picture

You know the info below the picture could you please add something to let people know this game has in-game streaming advertisements? Doesn't have to be much just more of a warning then EA/DICE gave us outside the box. (customers only find out about the in-game streaming ad's after they open the product)

More and more games these days are adding in-game streaming advertisements on billboards, it would be nice to see the info about it below the system spec's. The software thats built into this game monitors how long you play and how long you look at the billboards, it also logs your ip#, it reports that info each time you play.


6:11pm CST 8-13-2007





[edit] Planes?

Really? Has this game planes or jets? I could not find anywhere a refference about this. I use this sentence "Try before buy". 82.114.81.149 12:15, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

It has two aircraft. The first is a fast VTOL Gunship with heat seeking missiles, a gattling gun and TV guided missiles. The second is a troop transporter carries 6 troops and has two side mounted gattling guns. You musn't have been looking to hard. If you want more choice, get BF2, which has lots more aircraft. --Simpsons fan 66 23:18, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] No Australian Advertisments?

I think your wrong, I live in Australia and recently bought BF2142 from JB HIFI. And it has advertising, as shown in a screenshot i took here. This was in single player by the way. andrewrox424 Bleep 00:04, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes, if our connected to the internet, whether you are playing online or offline, you will get ads. Playing with the internet disconnected should make those ads undisplayable, which will make the regular billboards appear, because the advertising system cannot find the streaming servers (I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure. I'll check it out.). INFORMTION CENTER 02:29, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Liberation of leipzeg.png

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[edit] "Wake Island" Statement

Someone claimed that BF2142 was the first game in the series, NOT to feature the "Wake Island" Map, even though i've never played it, i'm pretty sure that "Battlefield Vietnam" didn't have Wake Island as a map.

There was an official mod for BFV that redid the BF1942 maps Iwo Jima and Wake Island. Poss 23:38, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Wake Island version of BF 2142 came out. Jaewonnie (talk) 00:29, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] GA Sweeps (on hold)

This article has been reviewed as part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles/Project quality task force in an effort to ensure all listed Good articles continue to meet the Good article criteria. In reviewing the article, I have found there are some issues that may need to be addressed.

  • The lede is a) non-compelling, b) does not give a good overview of the subject as a whole (aka, its reception, development, et al), and c) appears to be have some errors (a Mac version was announced in 2007 and released in 2006?)
  • Generally, unsourced. Game manuals are a good place to find info, or even looking in the reviews for the game, but from Story to Expansion packs, there are only six refs, tops, for nearly 30KB of straight prose.

I will check back in no less than seven days. If progress is being made and issues are addressed, the article will remain listed as a Good article. Otherwise, it may be delisted (such a decision may be challenged through WP:GAR). If improved after it has been delisted, it may be nominated at WP:GAN. Feel free to drop a message on my talk page if you have any questions, and many thanks for all the hard work that has gone into this article thus far. Regards, David Fuchs (talk) 00:53, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Voice Actors?

Who did the voices for 2142? The Pan Asian Coalition Titan's security computer sounds a lot like 'Ellen McLain' the voice for Portal's psychopathic computer. ~ Swanston —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.85.165.195 (talk) 00:47, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Maps

There was some talk around March (from the date stamps) about adding descriptions to the maps section for each map. While I do support this I would suggest focusing on the story elements and how the locations in the game are different from the current layout of the areas. For example the current addendum about camp Gibraltar having no relation to the real life location of Gibraltar or something about the massive ice sheet that makes up the edge of maps like Fall of Berlin and Verdun.

Also I propose that the current maps section under Northern Strike be merged with the general maps section, the Northern Strike maps be removed from the general section, or the Northern Strike maps section be refocused on differences between Northern Strike maps in general and the previous maps.

Lastly should the "All maps are playable in Conquest." note at the top of the general Maps section be removed? To the best of my knowledge Assault Lines is its own distinct game type and not a new type of Conquest. I do not have any definitive information one way of the other and due to events in real life I do not have the time to go out and research the matter myself. Also could someone provide a citation for the different types of conquest. As far as I know there are just different maps with their own spawn point arrangements.--EpicWizard 18:01, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

I found this page on the 2142 website that lists Assault Lines as a sub type of Conquest as "Conquest: Assault Lines". It however makes no mention of other types on conquest.--EpicWizard 22:51, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Copyvio?

I have removed the story section from the article, as it appeared to be a direct quotation from the game. Such a long quotation is a copyright violation and does not qualify as fair use. The story should be paraphrased, not quoted. Geometry guy 12:15, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Actually the only portion of the story section that came from the game (manual), which says that it can't be reprinted without permission by the way so good catch, is the following:

"As snow and storms swept down from the north, the encroaching ice swallowed living spaces and resources and a frantic battle for survival began across the globe. Small-scale conflicts bloomed into major confrontations, as desperate nations united to form new superpowers-- the European-led EU forces and the Russo-Asian army otherwise known as the Pan Asian Coalition (PAC). With the formation of these coalitions came the consolidation of brains and resources needed to develop deadly new battlefront technologies: the Titans, vast airbourne dreadnoughts with the colossal destructive power to dominate the skies, and lethal, armored Battlewalkers, designed to outpace and outgun infantry."

The first line and everything after this appears to be original. If you have proof to the contrary please lets us all know. In the mean time someone (I don't have time, sorry) should re-write that first paragraph in a non-copyright violation manner and repost it.--EpicWizard 16:48, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

I only spotted it because an anon put the section in quotes here. Unfortunately the crucial information that this is taken from the EA website was deleted on the grounds that it was not properly formatted inside ref tags! I cannot stress this enough: supplying sources and deleting copyright violations is much much much more important than formatting the references correctly! In fact the entire section is a copyvio: the rest can be found here.
If the material had not been a quote, it would have been too in-universe anyway. Good luck rewriting it. Geometry guy 19:07, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
While I agree that the paragraph should be properly cited if any part of it is to be included in the article I feel that because the information in that paragraph outside of what I pointed out earlier is printed online, where anyone can view it, that reprinting it here does no damage to the Battlefield 2142 Copyright and can only serve to increase interest in their IP. The support for this is from the "Fair use on the Internet" section in the Fair Use article:

A US court case in 2003, Kelly v. Arriba Soft Corporation, provides and develops the relationship between thumbnails, inline linking and fair use. In the lower District Court case on a motion for summary judgment, Arriba Soft was found to have violated copyright without a fair use defense in the use of thumbnail pictures and inline linking from Kelly's website in Arriba's image search engine. That decision was appealed and contested by Internet rights activists such as the Electronic Frontier Foundation, who argued that it is clearly covered under fair use. On appeal, the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals found in favor of the defendant. In reaching its decision, the court utilized the above-mentioned four-factor analysis. First, it found the purpose of creating the thumbnail images as previews to be sufficiently transformative, noting that they were not meant to be viewed at high resolution like the original artwork was. Second, the fact that the photographs had already been published diminished the significance of their nature as creative works. Third, although normally making a "full" replication of a copyrighted work may appear to violate copyright, here it was found to be reasonable and necessary in light of the intended use. Lastly, the court found that the market for the original photographs would not be substantially diminished by the creation of the thumbnails. To the contrary, the thumbnail searches could increase exposure of the originals. In looking at all these factors as a whole, the court found that the thumbnails were fair use and remanded the case to the lower court for trial after issuing a revised opinion on July 7, 2003. The remaining issues were resolved with a default judgment after Arriba Soft had experienced significant financial problems and failed to reach a negotiated settlement.

However, since the block of text I mentioned earlier is not printed online (to the best of my knowledge) it should not be reproduced here. It might be better substituted with this:

The year is 2142, and the dawn of a new Ice age has thrown the world into a panic. The soil not covered by ice can only feed a fraction of the Earth's population. The math is simple and brutal: some will live, most will die.

from here.--EpicWizard 22:47, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

The first paragraph was also available, in full, on line when I checked earlier this afternoon (UTC), but the site appears to have been changed in the last few hours and I haven't found the link: it may only be available on the internet archive now.
However, this is irrelevant, because Wikipedia fair use requirements are much stronger than those required by law. This is because of Wikipedia's goal to be freely available for all to use its content as they wish, and fair use is a compromise of these principles.
Also, really, the direct quotes are too in-universe: the story should really be phrased "The game is set in..." kind of language. This is an encyclopedia! Geometry guy 23:04, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
"the story should really be phrased "The game is set in..." kind of language. This is an encyclopedia!" and that ends that. Points for Geometry Guy for ending this with a purely logical argument and one that is fairly airtight. Now we just need someone with more time on their hands to rewrite the opening paragraph in just such a way... why do I feel like this is going to be me even if it isn't right now? --EpicWizard 03:26, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
I have to say I have been very impressed by the "Good point - lets fix it" attitude. When a new editor comes along to an article and deletes a chunk of material, or makes some other criticism, the response is often defensive or hostile. In this case it was the opposite, thank you!
I'm afraid it is quite likely that the article will be delisted from GA, as it doesn't meet the criteria at the moment, but with your positive "lets fix it" attitude, I am completely confident that (once you get the time ;-) it will easily pass a renomination. Good luck once more, and thank you for brightening my wikiday. Geometry guy 19:52, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA removed

per this discussion. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 05:28, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Patch 1.40

Well this was going to talk about the impending release of 1.40 and Highway Tampa... Since I just checked and both of these are now out it seemed stupid to talk about them in the future tense. We now need to do a major overhaul of the Updates section of this article and decide how the 1.40 beta stuff and the final release are going to be merged. We may want to just not mention things from the time leading up to the 1.40 final release beyond dates of testing phases and any important changes made during this time. We also need to update the Maps section and the Game Modes references to reflect Dual Assault Lines. I really don't have time right now to do more than make this post and link to the patch let alone play it or make serious and detailed revisions to this article. Here is a link to the official news for your enjoyment.--EpicWizard 03:27, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:TitanAssault.jpg

Image:TitanAssault.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.

If there is other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images uploaded after 4 May, 2006, and lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.

BetacommandBot (talk) 20:09, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Support2142.jpg

Image:Support2142.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.

If there is other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images uploaded after 4 May, 2006, and lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.

BetacommandBot (talk) 21:25, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] handphone

In the "Collectors' Edition" paragraph, it mentions a "handphone strap". Is this meant to be a headphone strap? Although this would be an actual word, it wouldn't make sense, since headphones don't need straps. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Huey45 (talk • contribs) 20:28, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Handphone is an actual word too altho I'm not sure if it is what was meant Nil Einne (talk) 07:01, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Australia: Spyware Bill 2005 is NOT law

Although it has been mentioned in many places, the Spyware Bill 2005 is actually still before the senate, and as such, has not been passed as Australian law yet. Also, there is actually no such bill as the 'Australian Spyware Act' which is mentioned in the BF2142 article. Spik3balloon (talk) 06:44, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Vehicles

There's a blurb in the section on Northern Strike describing new vehicles added, but no section about the actual vehicles in the original game. There should be one. siafu (talk) 00:49, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Glitches and Bugs

Its worth noting in the article that, much like its predecessor Battlefield 2, Battlefield 2142 is laden with little glitches, bugs, and querks. For instance, the sentry guns can shoot you through walls. While thats realistic, that still seems like they didnt want it to do that. Or being able to see everyone through the titan ship walls when you die, that is definately a glitch. There are too many to list there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.119.185.104 (talk) 20:10, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Mods

How about adding a "List of Battlefield 2142 mods" section? --Jaewonnie (talk) 01:31, 10 June 2008 (UTC)